Originally posted by reconpilot
[ Yes ,geneva airport is a busy place, its winter ,its cold ,its high altitude .
And because of global warming ,the ski resorts are starting to see the effects . Less snow ,shorter season , land slides as permafrost melts ,stuff like that .

Global warming is still an unproven thoery. There is not enough historical meteorological data, to suggest that the earth has heated significantly from mans intervention, just like there is not enough data to disprove it. I thought you said "chemtrails" were the casue of the snow melting?

My problem with you OZ is not your lack of competence in your specialised expertise .My problem is your need to deny in areas where you do not have the credentials to do so. And if you did you would not be able to talk about it .

And my problem with you is that you have no credentials in meteorology, and most of your "experience" comes from what you say. And if I was suppressed to hide something, then why haven't the military shut you up, seeing as you claim to be involved with top secret aircraft and alien technology? Thats a pretty big thing to claim, and Im sure they wouldnt like you talking about it

I have sat in the garden with a retired pilot while we looked up. He turned to me and said, "thats not a regular contrail" . Nope ,I replied ,sure does not look like one to me either . 'Must be soapy rain I guess' .

And this proves what?

You are not ,regardeless of wether you like to admit or not able to say with ABSOLUTE AUTHORITY that their is no chemical modification of our atmosphere going on. Anymore than you can say you KNOW BEYOND DOUBT that the RAAF does not have advanced antigrav type craft .

I know there is no chemical modification of the upper atmosphere from the spraying of harmful chemicals. Ive asked before (repeatedly), for you to disprove the science behind contrail persistence and formation

I never said there are not any anti-grav craft, I simply stated they I work in the boundaries of a military and civlian combined airport, and Ive seen the F-111's on numerous occasions. Why would modified top secret plane take off from a civilian airport?

you cant mate ,because you are not so qualified . like it or not ,you dont have the security clearance or need to know.

ACCEPT IT .

And you are qualified?

Smoke is a very broad brush description that can be wildly misrepresented ,so dont ask entraping questions . You are trying to confine and shut down the debate by making unreasonable requests from people who are ham strung by official secrets. You insist of polarising the debate so it cannnot inform people . You narrow it to your specialism when the reality goes WAY BEYOND your scope and expertise .

You know that .

Whats so hard about doing some decent research and debating the original post. You are the one making unreasonable posts, deflecting from the original topic of the debate.

And believ me, if I wanted the debate shut down, I wouldnt still be posting would I....

People getting duped by a chemtrail liar? GASP x2 !

I mentioned one of them huxsters earlier, William Thomas, who of course was one of the earlier ones spreading the word, in addition to his chemtrail books one could buy.

One of his friends, Len Horowitz did the same thing. But then with books, pamphets and speeches, all of course for the right fee. They both favorably reviewed each others books, etc, and turned their chemtrails hoax into a small cottage industry for a while. They probably both made a fair amount of money from it. The owner of Chemtrail Central apparently does not even believe in chemtrails anymore either, but he still keeps his website going to get the advertising cash.

I think it was William Thomas who spread the false chemtrail mantra that contrails can only last for 7 seconds and be pencil thin, and anything different is chemtrails. I think he was also somewhat responsible for utterly dishonest statements too that chaff is something sprayed like a powder, which has misled chemtrail believers to this day, as obviously some statements in this thread of shown.



[edit on 23-3-2009 by firepilot]

I never said chem caused snow to melt. Quite the opposite in fact .
The causes of global warming are numerous and I will state again , atmospheric pollution ,be it con or chem is actually reducing the effects of global warming , not increasing them. My postion on that is that its a neccesary evil . And when dealing with humans you have to choose the lesser of two evils more often than not .

so your telling me that the ice caps are not melting ,the sea is not rising , coral bleaching is not happpening and we can all go back to sleep ,safe in the knowledge that oz weatherman HAS DONE HIS RESEARCH AND BY GOD THAT SHOULD BE ENOUGH FOR YOU!!! ?

Tell me, why would a highly modified plane not land at a civvy airport when everyone assumes its an old clunker ? Perfect cover if you ask me.

Our unit flew out of a civvy airport during the war for the same reason.

During the last war we had to contend with 'experts in the RAF' all the time , experts who sent recon units to inevitable death because they could not even figure out something as simple as stopping the camera lens from fogging up !

We 'invented' high altitude recon .we were the first to have to deal with the problems of leaving a contrail for the enemy to see . Thats why we modified our spits so we could outfly fighters attempting to intercept .

Sidney Cotton was an aussie by the way , did you know that ?

I dont have a problem with the military modifying the atmosphere as part of its defensive capabilities . As long as the nano particles are non toxic . But sooner or later someone will abuse any technology for more sinister ends if you let them. The history of warfare is a catalogue of horrific abuses , DENY THAT IF YOU CAN. Biological weapons exist too .Deny that if you want to loose crediblity.

I have already stated that YES , there is a lot of paranoia amongst the chem crowd . But the technology does exist and it can be abused and they have every reason to be afraid that it will, based on the unlearnt lessons of history . BECAUSE HUMANS are lazy greedy and apathetic and as long as they continue to be so ,they will vote in corrupt self serving pollies who will tell them whatever they want to hear.
In the meantime ,the good people in military and intelligence circles ,constrained by politicaly appointed commisars , do their best to frustrate the plans of the corrupt through cunning ,wit,the occasional well placed leak and superior intelligence . After all ,theres no one more easily led than an egomaniac like Hitler, for example .

And the ADF did not let Howard get away with the children overboard scandal . Im sorry that young man who questioned me about radar did not come back. I can only guess he took what I posted here and cross checked it with someone in the know. Good for him , we need more young people like that with an open questioning mind . I imagine thats why he was blessed with the opportunity to see one of our craft uncloak over his house eh ? Unless he is lying through his teeth .

And what happened to that courageous intel officer who exposed the sexed up WMD reports ? Thats courage right there .

It is perhaps unfortunate that culturally speaking REAL AUSSIES dont waste time with being 'polite and well mannered' . They tell it like it is. Unfortunately I am now threatened with banishment for being blunt and to the point . I guess that will make your job of 'proving your point' a bit easier . But you know ,you cant 'prove' to be untrue anything you are not aware of ,or that remains classified information. There are secrets that need to be kept and I dont have a problem with that .

But this much I know .They still 'dust' for fingerprints at the scene of a crime . They still dust crops ,they still dust over the facts and maybe ,just maybe ,when the dust settles you will see a few things you did not believe in before .

Not everything is in your book....... and cloaking an 'outdated' f111 really is as easy as flicking a switch . Aussie ingenuity mate ! havent you heard of that ?

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I would like to ask for a serious opinion. Hopefully this won't get lost in the argument since I don't think it would be worth making a thread on its own. I don't have any evidence, just a description by myself. Someone else was with me at the time, but neither of us had any sort of camera.

What caught our attention was a plane, I assume. The reason it caught our attention is that the sun was setting and it was catching the light so that it appeared to glow orange. It was quite spectacular. What kept my attention was the trail behind it, rather like a tail for descriptive purposes. This "tail" dissipated a uniform distance behind the aircraft, and by dissipate I mean left no other trace. It was perhaps 10x the length of the aircraft.

Describing the aircraft would be impossible. At the height it was, it appeared the size of a gnat perhaps 3 inches from my face. Tiny.

It made two passes over the same area, flying over and then swinging around immediately and returning on the same path. It didn't leave a contrail. In fact there were no clouds in the sky other than the one that streamed behind it.

Any idea what this was, what it was doing? Cloud seeding? I'm not making conclusions myself. It's been a mystery to me since seeing it.