Originally posted by ChemBreather
Again, just blindly dismiss the fact that unidentefiable flights that accured in the same area and time where Chemtrails where observed by saying what he said,see quote above.

So if unmarked Nato planes are operating outside the law, you would not get any Government statement on that, if you think so, take a reality check..

Again , here is that link I am refering to, according to you people, all the information on this page is Fabricated and Miss-information, is that how I should understand it ??

First of all, who said anything about them being unmarked? ALL aircraft are marked, you just can't always see the markings from the ground.

Secondly, as MrPenny said, it would be amazingly stupid to put military flights into a flight tracking website.

Third, how do you get they're operating outside the law?

I have a serious question for these 'chemtrail' enthusiasts.

If we went back to, say, 1920 or so, when airplanes rarely exceeded 10,000 feet, do believe there were no clouds? More specifically cirrus, for example.

A little real study of meteorology would be a good start at finding that answer.

ya know, even a cursory glznce at a textbook should be sufficient to show how approaching weather fronts announce their impending arrival with a variety of high-level cloud forms....is it an occluded front? A fast-moving cold front? A liesurely moving warm front?

As far as a Military/NATO alleged 'spraying'....at what altitudes do you think this is happening? In the United States, even the Military/NATO planes have to file IFR with Air Traffic Control abouve 18,000. Airspace is crowded...the civilian and Military traffic MUST be under Positive Control, anywhere they are prone to mix.

Or....perhaps one can allege that they are 'spraying' under VFR below 18,000? No flight plans required under those conditions....except, then it's not meeting the standards of a 'persistent chemtrail'....

Logic fallacy. Coupled with a bit of misinformation, and bad science.

Guess I'd better wrap this up, I see the flaming arrows on the horizon......

EDIT to add.....in the UK, anything above 6,000 feet must file an IFR flight plan. Difference? Terrain considerations. No big ole' Rocky Mountaiins to hit over there.



[edit on 3/16/0909 by weedwhacker]

Originally posted by ChemBreather
You say it flatout, all evidence about chems are not trustworthy.
And about being unmarked and outside the law was just an example on how BlackOps is not listed or reported in news conferenses.

I have read that these planes are unmarked Nato planes, but Im not going to digg into that.....(haarp dont exist either, yet we have 2 or 3 of them here in Norway under Nato command)...

Do you even know the standard size of an aircraft marking? Any clue? There is no way that you are going to see markings from the ground, unless it's an airline with a lot of the plane painted, like the entire tail, or stripes down the side.

Military planes are only required to have the tail number painted somewhere the back of the aircraft, in standard sized numbers.

I was sort of stunned when I read the chemtrail theories. I couldn't believe folks could believe it. It made no sense to me on many levels. For example...

Why would they spray chemicals so high in the sky? Consider that even LOW flying crop dusting is given a hard time, because it's considered an inaccurate method of delivering pesticides (up to 80% of the chemicals can end up NOT on the crops). And you are seriously suggesting they are spraying them in multitudes higher in the air? And expecting to actually hit a target? What % of chemicals do they expect to reach their target? .01%?

Why are they not found in soil and water samples? The only thing someone could come up with is the random barium sampling. But according to these theories, sometimes the 'chem' spraying is so heavy, it creates a fog over the city! If they are spraying that densely, one would guess they would expect this stuff to have some resulting effect. Or there is no point. And even though daily soil and water sampling is done in EVERY major (and many minor.. and in the sticks) city, these mystery chemicals are not found. Why not? Do you realize how many organizations, both commercial and Federal test water/wasterwater and soil?

And that's just for starters. But bottom line, if I were trying to distribute something to the masses, I'd think there would be MUCH better and easier and more effective ways than spraying masses of chemicals in the air and hoping for the best.

Originally posted by Zaphod58

Originally posted by ChemBreather
You say it flatout, all evidence about chems are not trustworthy.
And about being unmarked and outside the law was just an example on how BlackOps is not listed or reported in news conferenses.

I have read that these planes are unmarked Nato planes, but Im not going to digg into that.....(haarp dont exist either, yet we have 2 or 3 of them here in Norway under Nato command)...

Do you even know the standard size of an aircraft marking? Any clue? There is no way that you are going to see markings from the ground, unless it's an airline with a lot of the plane painted, like the entire tail, or stripes down the side.

Military planes are only required to have the tail number painted somewhere the back of the aircraft, in standard sized numbers.

You are just stuck on the 'norm' of things.
just must go outside the boX my man...
Like yesterday, I posted a picture I took of a plane coming in for landing at OSL, they always fly that rout to the airport, yester I saw lotsa planes none of them had 'trails' out of the ordenary, liter, about 17:00, 2 planes come, maby more, I just saw two, both wich fly criss cross and not following the rout for inbound and outgoing planes. 40 - 60 minutes later, completely overcast, and to day, it is still overcast plus a hint of heavy fog.
You may claim contrail all you want, I say something else.

I took several pictures at the end of February, getting ready to take my Daughter to school, went out in the back garden to uncover my Motorcycle for the afternoon, and saw these vapor trails, now I don't know if these things are sinister in any way, but I have to say, this didn't happen when I was a kid.













What I will say is that more and more planes flew over as the morning went by, and the clouds got thicker, I was in Wales in the afternoon so didn't see if it continued.

I also need to add, Liverpool, is on the flight path for Aircraft heading out towards Ireland and towards the USA or Canada, what is a little odd, at that time normally we usually see planes heading out over the Sea, by the dozen, all heading the same way all joining a flight path then they are gone, these planes where coming from every which way they could, criss crossing the sky then heading south towards London.

So are these chem trails? or just con trails? never had anything fall from the sky which could be collected, it had been raining and we could smell ozone in the air, but again that isn,t unusual, we have a power station about 10 miles away which is constantly pumping moisture into the sky, which causes local weather anomalies (heavier rain, or snow when we get some) .

[edit on 16/3/2009 by azzllin]

On that last picture, you see higher up , an Contrail, and look at the others, they are so dense that you actualy can see shadows on them.
And again , these seems to be much lower in flight altitude also.

Lucky those planes werent higher up , or they would freeze into huge snowball sized crystals...

Not only is it unplausible, it is complete nonsense, utter bunk, and ridiculous. No one outside of a few people even believe this is happening anyway, and those who do, please find the containers inside the commercial jets that are dispersing these chemicals.

My best friend is a commercial pilot and he laughs at this so much.

yea, you people can say whatever you want. but im here to tell you that its more than plausible, it IS happening.

2 years ago every time it snowed (i live in north central British Columbia) it was a nice and fresh white color, it packed into perfect snowballs that still broke on impact and the snow only refracted a portion of the light that it does now.

in the last 2 years the color of the snow has slowly been going blue, it refracts HUGE ammount of light, to the point that i can still hardley go out without my oakley maddogs (100% UV protection). when making snowballs you can REALY see the blue, and the snowballs pack to be way more dense than normal snow.

THIS is just the circumstantial evidance, i'll try and find the toxicolagy report for my DEAD DOG who died of aluminum hydroxide poisoning and the toxicolagy report of the "snow" in my back yard that is 1/8 aluminum hydroxide. basicley my dog died from eating the snow.

say whatever you want about chem trails, but know that your merley being ignorant.