Nice find, I found a trailer for the movie, have a look at around the 58 second mark.
Compare with the screenshot you provided (I uploaded it for ya)
[edit on 16-3-2009 by Chadwickus]
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reply posted on 16-3-2009 @ 10:13 PM by Heike
reply to post by GoldenFleece
Do you suppose that the increase in air traffic might have anything to do with it? I mean, I'm no scientist or meteorologist, but it makes sense to me: more planes = more contrails.
This simulation is mind-boggling. Look at the U.S.; it's nearly solid yellow.
Computer Simulation of 24-hour period of air traffic
I'm starting to get curious about this whole thing .. I don't understand why people get so worked up about it. There are all sorts of harmful chemicals added to the processed foods and fake "drinks" many people ingest daily, but some of you people are all fired up about stuff that's supposedly being sprayed by planes? I don't get it.
Not being a scientist, I decided to do a little research. Here's some of what I found with a few spare minutes and google:
From “A Field Guide to the Atmosphere“, by Schaefer and Day, 1981:
Please note that's from 1981!
Included at that website are pictures of heavy, persistent contrails from 1969 and 1971.
And, here's a picture like someone was asking for that was taken BEFORE 1967 and the sky is nearly covered with contrails:
Source
Here's another interesting page with a bunch of cool pictures:
Contrail Analysis II
There are a lot of "chemtrail" sites and a lot of very excited people who want to blame everything from cancer to flesh-eating bacteria to the common cold on "chemtrails." But all of the scientific, meteorological, and aviation sites I visited (including the FAA and NASA among others) have facts, evidence, and pictures which state that persistent contrails are very normal and have been around at least since WWII. That one guy has statements from WWII pilots about taking different routes home than they flew out in order to avoid the cloud cover caused by their contrails.
In short, what I originally said hasn't changed. There are a lot of REAL conspiracies and health hazards to worry about, like pollution and aviation smog (which is not chemtrails), and toxic chemicals in our food and water, without fussing about so-called "chemtrails."
Do you suppose that the increase in air traffic might have anything to do with it? I mean, I'm no scientist or meteorologist, but it makes sense to me: more planes = more contrails.
This simulation is mind-boggling. Look at the U.S.; it's nearly solid yellow.
Computer Simulation of 24-hour period of air traffic
I'm starting to get curious about this whole thing .. I don't understand why people get so worked up about it. There are all sorts of harmful chemicals added to the processed foods and fake "drinks" many people ingest daily, but some of you people are all fired up about stuff that's supposedly being sprayed by planes? I don't get it.
Not being a scientist, I decided to do a little research. Here's some of what I found with a few spare minutes and google:
From “A Field Guide to the Atmosphere“, by Schaefer and Day, 1981:
“Sometimes [contrails] are ephemeral and dissipate as quickly as they form; other times they persist and grow wide enough to cover a substantial portion of the sky with a sheet of cirrostratus“ (Page 137)
Please note that's from 1981!
streamer of cloud sometimes observed behind an airplane flying in clear, cold, humid air. It forms upon condensation of the water vapour produced by the combustion of fuel in the airplane engines. When the ambient relative humidity is high, the resulting ice-crystal plume may last for several hours. The trail may be distorted by the winds, and sometimes it spreads outwards to form a layer of cirrus cloud.Encyclopedia Britannica, Online
Here’s a description from 1970, from a local newspaper, the Arcadia Tribune, April 29, 1970: "Aircraft contrails begin to streak the normally bright Arizona sky at dawn. Through the day, as air traffic peaks, these contrails gradually merge into and almost solid interlaced sheet of cirrus cloud - an artificial cirrus cloud that is frequently as much as 500 meters deep."Source
From: The News, Frederick, MD, March 7, 1944: “Contrails frequently have a tendency to cause a complete overcast and cause rain. In Idaho I have seen contrails formed in a perfectly clear sky and four hours later a complete overcast resulted“(same source)
Included at that website are pictures of heavy, persistent contrails from 1969 and 1971.
And, here's a picture like someone was asking for that was taken BEFORE 1967 and the sky is nearly covered with contrails:
The photo is plate 113 of the book Cloud Studies in Colour, by Richard Scorer and Harry Wexler, published in 1967 by Pergamon Press. The photo was taken by Richard Scorer, probably in England.
Sometimes contrails will actually take on the characteristics of a natural cirrus cloud and no longer look like contrails after only a half hour or so. Persistent contrails can exist long after the airplane that made them has left the area. They can last for a few minutes or longer than a day. However, because they form at high altitudes where the winds are usually very strong, they will often move away from the area where they were born. When we look up into the sky, we may see old persistent contrails that formed somewhere else but moved overhead because of the wind.
Source
Here's another interesting page with a bunch of cool pictures:
Contrail Analysis II
There are a lot of "chemtrail" sites and a lot of very excited people who want to blame everything from cancer to flesh-eating bacteria to the common cold on "chemtrails." But all of the scientific, meteorological, and aviation sites I visited (including the FAA and NASA among others) have facts, evidence, and pictures which state that persistent contrails are very normal and have been around at least since WWII. That one guy has statements from WWII pilots about taking different routes home than they flew out in order to avoid the cloud cover caused by their contrails.
In short, what I originally said hasn't changed. There are a lot of REAL conspiracies and health hazards to worry about, like pollution and aviation smog (which is not chemtrails), and toxic chemicals in our food and water, without fussing about so-called "chemtrails."
reply posted on 16-3-2009 @ 10:16 PM by AllTiedTogether
reply to post by OzWeatherman
Clear and blatant disinfo and good lesson to all on how to spot it. He makes the reader forget that a camera has a Field of View(FOV) and the closer the observer is the narrower the FOV.
This would be like saying that you would expect the same type of contrail picture if two aircraft flew past an observer, one approx 100FT away from the observer and the other 30MILES. Now the one that is 100FT away will probably not show anything that could be construed as a CHEMTRAIL let alone contrail given that you only have a FOV of maybe 1000FT. The aircraft that is 30MILES away will now show you a CHEMTRAIL that could be 100MILES or more in length because of the FOV. Now this is important because their claim is that 'Chemtrails' must be consistent and a certain length etc...
But this is only the tip of the disinfo iceberg.
Maybe that slipped your mind about FOV in pictures or maybe you have no camera experience.... I thought I'd share my experience and assist you....
As to me transcribing wx... I haven't done that in years and now I just go and watch the guys work and talk about how most other WX men will not talk about this because of fearing their pensions. It really is a sorry state when someone that claims such ability in knowledge is forced to hide their true knowledge and intelligence. These men are being coerced and blackmailed against speaking out.... It is obvious by those that speak out and are then silenced in one way or another. Usually redacting the statement, but that doesn't mean it wasn't true.... Coercion.
Rgds
So if I saw a car 500 metres away that was red, and got closer and it was still red....because it was a different vantage point, my original observations wouldnt count?
Clear and blatant disinfo and good lesson to all on how to spot it. He makes the reader forget that a camera has a Field of View(FOV) and the closer the observer is the narrower the FOV.
This would be like saying that you would expect the same type of contrail picture if two aircraft flew past an observer, one approx 100FT away from the observer and the other 30MILES. Now the one that is 100FT away will probably not show anything that could be construed as a CHEMTRAIL let alone contrail given that you only have a FOV of maybe 1000FT. The aircraft that is 30MILES away will now show you a CHEMTRAIL that could be 100MILES or more in length because of the FOV. Now this is important because their claim is that 'Chemtrails' must be consistent and a certain length etc...
But this is only the tip of the disinfo iceberg.
Maybe that slipped your mind about FOV in pictures or maybe you have no camera experience.... I thought I'd share my experience and assist you....
As to me transcribing wx... I haven't done that in years and now I just go and watch the guys work and talk about how most other WX men will not talk about this because of fearing their pensions. It really is a sorry state when someone that claims such ability in knowledge is forced to hide their true knowledge and intelligence. These men are being coerced and blackmailed against speaking out.... It is obvious by those that speak out and are then silenced in one way or another. Usually redacting the statement, but that doesn't mean it wasn't true.... Coercion.
Rgds
reply posted on 16-3-2009 @ 10:20 PM by QBSneak000
reply to post by GoldenFleece
That proves nothing and doesn't answer my question. The news video you provided was about weather modification and no one has denied that.
The definition of "chemtrail" I am talking about which it mentioned in all these threads over and over is a covert government plan to spray toxic chemicals/biotoxins into the air over populated areas to make people sick and kill them, NOT weather modification. Also the video clearly has an expert look at them and say "on camera" that they look like contrails to him. So how does this answer the question?
If its really happening why has there not been any well know lawsuit against the chemtrail producers (military/government) brought forth with credible scientific evidence to the courts?
That proves nothing and doesn't answer my question. The news video you provided was about weather modification and no one has denied that.
The definition of "chemtrail" I am talking about which it mentioned in all these threads over and over is a covert government plan to spray toxic chemicals/biotoxins into the air over populated areas to make people sick and kill them, NOT weather modification. Also the video clearly has an expert look at them and say "on camera" that they look like contrails to him. So how does this answer the question?
If its really happening why has there not been any well know lawsuit against the chemtrail producers (military/government) brought forth with credible scientific evidence to the courts?
reply posted on 16-3-2009 @ 10:22 PM by q.bit
reply to post by OzWeatherman
What you must realize though, is that these pistin engine propeller planes use LEADED fuel.
So there is your nucleation site for persistent contrails, just like the barium in the static dissipator additive Stadis 450
If there is no nucleation site, the ice/vapor will dissipate. If there is metal or other material to nucleate around, then you will have persistent aerosol.
please read the following paper:
chemtrails.cc...
What you must realize though, is that these pistin engine propeller planes use LEADED fuel.
So there is your nucleation site for persistent contrails, just like the barium in the static dissipator additive Stadis 450
If there is no nucleation site, the ice/vapor will dissipate. If there is metal or other material to nucleate around, then you will have persistent aerosol.
please read the following paper:
chemtrails.cc...
reply posted on 16-3-2009 @ 10:41 PM by AllTiedTogether
reply to post by QBSneak000
Please don't try and change the goal posts too dramatically there QB... A 'Chemtrail' is used for WX modification also and because you don't acknowledge it as being doesn't mean that any of the valid proof provided by the concerned peoples of the world is no longer valid. Clearly another tactic for those that fluff it up.
This video that you apparently agree shows chemtrail spraying is doing just that... spraying "CHEMICALS' to manipulate the WX. What are the chemicals that they are spraying that manipulates the WX? Have you found out? If you haven't done a study of what they are dispensing from the aircraft then how do you know it isn't 'Barium' or one of the other chemicals that have been stated to have been released that you seem to think that they can't be for one of your above HIGHLIGHTED reasons because you don't know why they would do it. Or maybe you know they are not spraying the general population because the government isn't acknowledging it or tells you they are not?
Check out my previous posts that will show you what is being dropped over the heads of people around the world with their WX manipulation. And yes they are using aluminum particulates that when ingested can cause illness and death... I think that would then make part of your HIGHLIGHTED portion above also.
I better watch out.... I noticed I've been getting some stars and on threads like this it usually means your part of the disinfo team..... Well most will see that this is only the case after it was mentioned... You guys are good...
Rgds
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[edit on 3/16/2009 by maria_stardust]
The definition of "chemtrail" I am talking about which it mentioned in all these threads over and over is a covert government plan to spray toxic chemicals/biotoxins into the air over populated areas to make people sick and kill them, NOT weather modification.
Please don't try and change the goal posts too dramatically there QB... A 'Chemtrail' is used for WX modification also and because you don't acknowledge it as being doesn't mean that any of the valid proof provided by the concerned peoples of the world is no longer valid. Clearly another tactic for those that fluff it up.
This video that you apparently agree shows chemtrail spraying is doing just that... spraying "CHEMICALS' to manipulate the WX. What are the chemicals that they are spraying that manipulates the WX? Have you found out? If you haven't done a study of what they are dispensing from the aircraft then how do you know it isn't 'Barium' or one of the other chemicals that have been stated to have been released that you seem to think that they can't be for one of your above HIGHLIGHTED reasons because you don't know why they would do it. Or maybe you know they are not spraying the general population because the government isn't acknowledging it or tells you they are not?
Check out my previous posts that will show you what is being dropped over the heads of people around the world with their WX manipulation. And yes they are using aluminum particulates that when ingested can cause illness and death... I think that would then make part of your HIGHLIGHTED portion above also.
I better watch out.... I noticed I've been getting some stars and on threads like this it usually means your part of the disinfo team..... Well most will see that this is only the case after it was mentioned... You guys are good...
Rgds
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[edit on 3/16/2009 by maria_stardust]
reply posted on 16-3-2009 @ 10:55 PM by AllTiedTogether
reply to post by OzWeatherman
This question is not serious is it? You really are not serious are you?
They spread out... they fall to the ground.... Like anything that gets dropped in the air, it may not fall directly below where it meets the air above but it will eventually hit the earth.
How long have you been a Meteorlogist? You are a met tech right and not a tv wx guy. You actually study the WX? Can you provide a link to your resume since you seem to be the god when it comes to these guys???
Rgds
As I have been warned for giving my opinion like the rest of you, I will no longer respond to the baiting being done on this thread....
CHEMTRAILS are REAL newcomers. Do not believe the deception....
Love to all
[edit on 16-3-2009 by AllTiedTogether]
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[edit on 3/16/2009 by maria_stardust]
And I thought you said that chemtrails spread out...now you're saying they fall to the ground? Your contradicting your own argument
This question is not serious is it? You really are not serious are you?
They spread out... they fall to the ground.... Like anything that gets dropped in the air, it may not fall directly below where it meets the air above but it will eventually hit the earth.
How long have you been a Meteorlogist? You are a met tech right and not a tv wx guy. You actually study the WX? Can you provide a link to your resume since you seem to be the god when it comes to these guys???
Rgds
As I have been warned for giving my opinion like the rest of you, I will no longer respond to the baiting being done on this thread....
CHEMTRAILS are REAL newcomers. Do not believe the deception....
Love to all
[edit on 16-3-2009 by AllTiedTogether]
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[edit on 3/16/2009 by maria_stardust]
reply posted on 16-3-2009 @ 11:10 PM by QBSneak000
reply to post by AllTiedTogether
Well maybe the chemtrail camp should get its story straight because in all the threads on the subject I have read so far there seems to be 2 distinct definitions of chemtrails by that camp.
1. weather modification (no secret)
2. The government purposely spraying biotoxins and diseases into the atmosphere over populated areas to make people very sick and or kill them.
Two VERY different things IMO.
so which one is it then in your opinion?
And please stop suggesting that anyone who disagrees with yours and the other pro-chemtrail point of view members as dis-info agents. Surely I have shown the respect enough to not start name calling and make baseless accusations. Perhaps you could do the same thank you.
Well maybe the chemtrail camp should get its story straight because in all the threads on the subject I have read so far there seems to be 2 distinct definitions of chemtrails by that camp.
1. weather modification (no secret)
2. The government purposely spraying biotoxins and diseases into the atmosphere over populated areas to make people very sick and or kill them.
Two VERY different things IMO.
so which one is it then in your opinion?
I better watch out.... I noticed I've been getting some stars and on threads like this it usually means your part of the disinfo team..... Well most will see that this is only the case after it was mentioned... You guys are good...
And please stop suggesting that anyone who disagrees with yours and the other pro-chemtrail point of view members as dis-info agents. Surely I have shown the respect enough to not start name calling and make baseless accusations. Perhaps you could do the same thank you.
reply posted on 17-3-2009 @ 12:09 AM by ::.mika.::
reply to post by OzWeatherman
i kinna travel quite a lot, and my question Ozman is :
why this chemtrail/persistent contrail (to please skeptiks) phenomenon only occurs in NATO countries ? in years in india, in north, south, cold season, dry season, rain season... and although the air traffic is as high, if not more now, than in europe i could never spot even one ! and i'm a sky watcher... in europe, it's all the time any season in area with no dense air traffic whatsoever.
btw for the video in the opening post to make a point we'd need to be sure that :
* they are not pouring chemicals (didn't they do it so much in vietnam ?)
* that hours later those trails were still visible
EDIT: where the hell my avatar have gone ?
[edit on 17-3-2009 by ::.mika.::]
i kinna travel quite a lot, and my question Ozman is :
why this chemtrail/persistent contrail (to please skeptiks) phenomenon only occurs in NATO countries ? in years in india, in north, south, cold season, dry season, rain season... and although the air traffic is as high, if not more now, than in europe i could never spot even one ! and i'm a sky watcher... in europe, it's all the time any season in area with no dense air traffic whatsoever.
btw for the video in the opening post to make a point we'd need to be sure that :
* they are not pouring chemicals (didn't they do it so much in vietnam ?)
* that hours later those trails were still visible
EDIT: where the hell my avatar have gone ?
[edit on 17-3-2009 by ::.mika.::]
reply posted on 17-3-2009 @ 12:18 AM by Chadwickus
reply to post by ::.mika.::
The Phenomena is prevalent in just about every country, not just NATO:
Australian chemtrails search
New Zealand chemtrails search
Japan chemtrails search
South African chemtrail search
The Phenomena is prevalent in just about every country, not just NATO:
Australian chemtrails search
New Zealand chemtrails search
Japan chemtrails search
South African chemtrail search
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