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Is It Time for a New Political Party?

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posted on Mar, 15 2009 @ 01:49 PM
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If you have been following politcs for an length of time, then you are probably just as disgusted by it as I am.

Whether you are a Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, Green, or Independent. You will probably have to agree that we are not being represented by our current political parties.

I think that one of the problems is that every issue is forced into a false dichotomy by our so-called two party system. In fact we have a multi-party system but the major parties and the major media constantly refer to it as the "two party system". There are more than two sides to most issues, yet the Republicans and Democrats argue bitterly over these issues as if there were only a black and white, right or wrong, answer to each of them.

We live in a country of 300 million people, that is the third most populated country in the world, surely there are more than two opinions on each issue. This board is proof that there are many more opinions on any topic. Why should our politics be forced into two pigeon holes that many times amount to, "Tastes Great", "Less Filling" kinds of arguments.

So, I propose a new political party in an attempt to usher in a new politics for the United States and perhaps serve to re-unite the United States.

What I am proposing is not a "Third Party" movement, but instead I am proposing a "Replacement Party". What is the difference? A Third Party would compete directly with the existing parties. A Replacement Party is intended to provide an alternative and eventual replacement for the way we conduct politics.

I propose the creation of the "Integrity Party", since it is my opinion that integrity and ethics no longer exist in any of the existing parties.

The Integrity Party would take no official stand on any issue, they would offer no platform. Anyone is free to join the Integrity Party and to run for office. The candidates would decide what their positions are on the issues, with no input from the party. So, any number of opinions could be expressed on the issues. The Party would not care if you are a conservative, liberal, socialist, or whatever. The candidates positions would be public and the candidate alone would have to answer for them.

What the Integrity Party would require from each candidate for office would be a formal "Declaration of Positions" on the major political issues of the day. This formal declaration would be made public and filed by the Party. If the candidate later changed his/her mind about an issue then they would have to file an amendment to their declaration. The amendment would be reviewed by the Party and either approved or rejected.

The candidate would have to provide a written explanation for their change of heart. They could change their mind on the issues, but they could not do so repeatedly for political expediency, as we have seen too often from other parties. Flip-flopping on an issue would not be tolerated and a candidate could face disciplinary actions from the Party for violating their campaign promises, their Declaration of Position, or their public statements.

In short the Integrity Party would follow the Cadets Pledge from the service acadamies. "An Integrity Party member does not lie, cheat, or steal, nor tolerate anyone who does."

Disciplinary actions could include, fines, censure, or expulsion from the Party. Any act of malfeasance would be grounds for expulsion, for instance: misuse of campaign funds, lying, cheating on their taxes, and for conduct unbecoming of a public figure. In the Integrity Party a person's word is their bond and if they break that bond, then they forfeit the benefits of the Party. Once they lose their sponsorship, they can never regain admitance to the Party. They would however be free to join one of the lying, cheating, and stealing, parties.

As I said earlier the goal of the Integrity Party is to change the way politics are conducted in the US. It is intended that this Party would replace one or more of the existing parties. So, the Integrity Party would be equally critical of the politicians from other parties who, flip-flop, lie, cheat, steal, and embarrass their constituencies.

I think that the existance of such a political party could radically change the face of politics in this country in a very short time. I think that it is time, what do you think?

I live in Georgia, during this thread I will investigate the steps required to form a new political party in this state. I hope that other members will do the same in their respective states. By the end of this thread we all should have a pretty good idea of the resources, manpower, and time that it could take to form such a party.

I have seen many, many threads on ATS about the coming crisis and the what if scenarios for when the SHTF. I think that the Integrity Party is a more proactive and optimistic approach to building a shelter, storing up food and guns, and planning an escape. It is not too late to change things, let's step up and change things together.




posted on Mar, 15 2009 @ 01:55 PM
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Very interesting notion, although I agree it could work hypothetically, I highly doubt it would.

You see there's this thing called human nature, and were most driven by that. In today's society most people are also driven by greed, which has causes most if not all of our problems that have surfaced in the past 100 years or so.

Corruption and deceit would find it's way into our "perfect" new party and slowly it would begin to unravel. Remember, they would only need one person to turn in order for the entire premise to be destroyed.

One scandal, and the image is shattered, public confidence obliterated. It's a nice idea on paper, but IMO we aren't ready as a populace to be able to agree to such simplistic terms and ideologies.

Were creatures of habit and our habits have been bad for a very long time, and it's going to take a very long time to get out of them and move towards good habits. This would somewhat force that change on the political system, which in my opinion is needed. However the opposition would be too great and it would crumble eventually

It looks great on paper....

~Keeper



posted on Mar, 15 2009 @ 02:02 PM
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Thanks for you response. I agree that there would be some who would violate the pledge. The Party would respond by publicly drumming that person out of its ranks and that would restore the public's confidence in the party. Other politicians would witness the expulsion and take note, violation of the pledge and the "Declaration of Positions" will not be tolerated. This is in sharp contrast to what we see the other parties do. There are many examples of a member of Congress who was caught cheating in business, or in their campaign, who were then rewarded with a chairmanship for some committee. Believe me, the public would see a big difference in this new party.



posted on Mar, 15 2009 @ 02:12 PM
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As I said, it looks wondeful on paper. But you realize this is politics and you gotta pay to play and the party will need to save face at some point. You don't really expect that only one member would be part of some of the scandals that would arise do you?

Besides the other two parties would be on an all out witch hunt to destroy it.

I don't know, I know the public would support it, because it's a step in the right direction, I simply think it's too soon and too fast.

~Keeper



posted on Mar, 15 2009 @ 02:13 PM
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In short the Integrity Party would follow the Cadets Pledge from the service acadamies. "An Integrity Party member does not lie, cheat, or steal, nor tolerate anyone who does."


I think you are on to something.
I also think the new party - has already begun.
It's the peoples party.

Like all species - our natural inclination is to survive - first.
and my belief is that the species will do what it needs to to see this happen.
That would mean that the attributes you list in your quote will have to happen.
We are on our way.
Just like the amphibian that grew it's legs for land...
We know we are on our way out if we don't change.
It's nature.



posted on Mar, 15 2009 @ 02:17 PM
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You said, "Besides the other two parties would be on an all out witch hunt to destroy it."

Yes, and that is all part of the plan. The people would see the lame attempts to smear and destroy this party. The backlash could very well speed the destruction of those who fight against it.

IMO The only thing that could destroy the Integrity Party, is if it fails to live up to its Pledge.



posted on Mar, 15 2009 @ 02:18 PM
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I wish it would work, but I doubt that it could since politics, or rather politicians are corrupt, if not when they initially, they eventually become corrupted by the process as a whole.

The money, the influence, the entire process is a corrupting one that has claimed many more victims than it has not.

Look at the history of humanity, all of the different political factions, ideologies and political processes that we've had over the 2 thousand years that humans have engaged in politics, and I would be willing to bet a lot of money that you can find a common thread of corruption running through it from ancient sumarian life, through greece, through rome, et cetera to now.

it sucks for sure, but it is what it is. Man is corrupt, politics is a corrupting influence.

I believe, as tothetenthpower said, in theory ist's a great idea, but so is religion a great thing in theory, as soon as MAN gets involved, it gets twisted and warped into something ugly and only beneficial to the benefactors.



posted on Mar, 15 2009 @ 02:20 PM
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You forget that most people are easily convinced by the MSM to just play sing-along.

You make valid points as I said, you have solid arguments and this could very well maybe get off the ground in the next couple of years, but it would take time and alot of it to implement properly.

You'd have to get the current polticians to allow a huge change like to that to multi party system.

~Keeper



posted on Mar, 15 2009 @ 02:21 PM
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You said, "Like all species - our natural inclination is to survive - first.
and my belief is that the species will do what it needs to to see this happen.
That would mean that the attributes you list in your quote will have to happen.
We are on our way."

I hope so, because I think that it is obvious that we cannot continue along our present course for much longer. We can change direction, or we can cease to be a major player on the world stage.



posted on Mar, 15 2009 @ 02:26 PM
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Tired of the two party system? How about a 64 party system? Would taht be better? I hope so because Unless I miscounted there are currently 64 political parties here in the US.

Take a look at the list of all parties and take your pick. Hey you dont have to be a republican or a democrat, you could even become a member of the thermodynamic law party!

Seriously though there are PLENTY of parties to join if you do not want to be a republican or a democrat.

If you feel this party is not represnted as well as the reps and dems then it will be up to you and the other members of your party to do what is neccasary to stand up and get attention...

Here is that link now

localpolitics.meetup.com...

[edit on 15-3-2009 by gimme_some_truth]



posted on Mar, 15 2009 @ 02:29 PM
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Yes, this idea takes an optimistic view of human nature. I believe that people of good will do exist in the political system. I think that if there was a political party for these people that they would flock to it. Just as I believe that people in general are basically good and if there was a political party that they felt that they could believe in, then they would also flock to it.

I agree that it would take years to establish this type of party. The Integrity Party would have to start small, at the local level, and for the first several years it would only field local candidates for Mayor, City Council, City Manager, etc. I think that other political movements made a huge mistake by trying to enter the frey of the national political scene too soon. This movement would be a slow steady push from the bottom up.



posted on Mar, 15 2009 @ 02:36 PM
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Yes, I am aware of many of the other parties. Most of them though continue to play the political game as it has been outlined by the major parties and the MSM. There is little chance that any third party or 64th party can compete in a game that favors and is controlled by the major parties.

That is why it is important to change the game. That is why the Integrity Party would have no official platform on the issues. That is the old game. Our new game promotes the attributes of an honorable public servant, not their positions on issues.

I have no illusions that the old system will fight against this idea. Of course they will, because they will recognize that it is a threat to their existance. However, I believe that the people would throw their weight behind such a party if they knew that it existed.



posted on Mar, 15 2009 @ 02:49 PM
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I vote for the candidate who most closely represents my views on the issues. Very rarely is there a 100% match. But I am not tied to any particular party.

I call myself an Independent.

What would be different about this proposal?



posted on Mar, 15 2009 @ 02:56 PM
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You said,

"I vote for the candidate who most closely represents my views on the issues. Very rarely is there a 100% match. But I am not tied to any particular party.

I call myself an Independent.

What would be different about this proposal?"

You make your decision on who to vote for base on what they state is their position on the issues. They know that there is nothing to bind them to their statements and the majority of voters are not going to follow their voting record while they are in office. They also know that the media will not report on their voting record. So, unless their opponent brings it up during the next election, there is nothing to hold them to their words.

We are witnessing this right now. Our current President ran on a platform of getting us out of Iraq, reducing spending, and informed change. Now that he is in office, we are staying in Iraq through his first term at least, spending at record levels, and nothing has actually changed.

In the Integrity Party, the party acts as the watchdog over the candidate. If they violate their promises then the Party calls them out.

This is a radical change over our current system.



posted on Mar, 15 2009 @ 05:52 PM
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I follow what the politicians do. I communicate with them through email, advocacy groups, town meetings, etc. I think that is normal for the state I live in; maybe we're just more active politically.

And the politicians listen, and respond. If they disagree with you, they tell you why. And the media is very responsive also, print, tv, and radio.

It works fairly well for me.



posted on Mar, 15 2009 @ 07:01 PM
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As I promised I checked out the procedures for registering a new political party in the State of Georgia. This is from the Secretary of State's official website.



O.C.G.A. § 21-2-110

O.C.G.A. § 21-2-110


GEORGIA CODE
Copyright 2008 by The State of Georgia
All rights reserved.

*** Current through the 2008 Regular Session ***

TITLE 21. ELECTIONS
CHAPTER 2. ELECTIONS AND PRIMARIES GENERALLY
ARTICLE 3. REGISTRATION OF AND COMMITTEE ORGANIZATION OF POLITICAL PARTIES AND BODIES

O.C.G.A. § 21-2-110 (2008)

§ 21-2-110. Filing of registration statements by political parties or bodies with the Secretary of State; contents of registration statements; amendments; filing fees; failure to file statement


(a) The chief executive officer of each political party or body operating in this state shall, within 60 days after the date of its organization or after June 24, 1964, whichever is later, file with the Secretary of State a registration statement setting forth:

(1) Its name and the date and place of its creation;

(2) The general purposes for which it was created;

(3) Certified copies of its charter, bylaws, rules, and regulations, and other documents of like dignity governing its organization and operation;

(4) The address of its principal office;

(5) The names, home addresses, and titles of the persons composing its governing committee and executive officers; and

(6) Such other information as the Secretary of State may require as necessary or appropriate in the public interest.

(b) The chief executive officer of each municipal executive committee, whose state executive committee has already filed with the Secretary of State as a political party or body, shall promptly file with the city clerk of the municipality and with its state political party or body executive committee a registration statement setting forth:

(1) Its name and certified copies of its charter, bylaws, rules and regulations, and other documents of like dignity governing its organization and operation;

(2) The address of its principal office; and

(3) The names of its members, home addresses, and titles of the persons composing its governing committee and executive officers.

(c) No registration statement of a party, body, or municipal executive committee shall be filed if the name of such party, body, or municipal executive committee is identical with, or deceptively similar to, the name of any other existing party, body, or municipal executive committee which was organized earlier and is eligible at the time to file its registration statement with the Secretary of State.

(d) Within 30 days after the occurrence of a change in the information contained in any registration statement, or prior amendment thereto, the chief executive officer of the party, body, or municipal executive committee filing such statement shall file an amendment thereto setting forth the information necessary to maintain the currency of such statement.

(e) The Secretary of State shall receive a fee of $10.00 for filing each registration statement required by subsection (a) of this Code section and a fee of $2.00 for filing each amendment thereto.

(f) A political party, body, or municipal executive committee failing to file a registration statement as required by subsection (a) or (b) of this Code section at least 60 days before any primary or election at which it shall seek to have candidates on the ballot shall not have its name or the names of its candidates placed on any nomination petition, ballot, or ballot label.




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posted on Mar, 15 2009 @ 07:23 PM
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You said,


"I follow what the politicians do. I communicate with them through email, advocacy groups, town meetings, etc. I think that is normal for the state I live in; maybe we're just more active politically.


I congratulate you on your civic responsibility. You need to know however that the vast majority of Americans all across the country don't even vote. Because they don't believe that their vote makes any difference and in the current climate, they may be right.

You also need to know that less than 10 percent of those who vote have never written to their representatives or called their offices. Those who have, seldom get a response from the elected official, instead they get a form letter written by a staffer. The staffers act as gatekeepers to the official and act to insulate them from the public.

Just so you know, I have written and called the offices of my representatives and most of the time, I don't receive any response. The few times that I have received a response it has always been a form letter.

I live in Cynthia McKinney's old district. While she was in office, I was a frequent caller to her office. The staffers that I spoke with were not responsive to my concerns and usually asked me what party I was a member of. Here in Georgia we don't register by party and so I would tell them that I was a registered voter. Knowing that if I told them that I was a Republican, that they would promptly hang up.

Eventually, I started a website and together with others we organized a challenge to Ms. McKinney during the primary and we removed her from office. The first time we did this she went on a tirade on television and threatened to find out who was responsible for her ouster and retaliate.

She managed to sneak back into office a couple of years later, but that was her last term. Those of us who ousted her before, ousted her again. It was a lot of work, and was very difficult. It was difficult because the majority of voters paid no attention to Ms. McKinney or what she actually did while in office. Not to mention her campaign tactics violated the state's election laws.

This is an extreme example but it is one that I experienced personally. It is with this in mind that I propose that we change the game.



posted on Mar, 15 2009 @ 08:10 PM
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Originally posted by lunarminer
I congratulate you on your civic responsibility. You need to know however that the vast majority of Americans all across the country don't even vote. Because they don't believe that their vote makes any difference and in the current climate, they may be right.

You also need to know that less than 10 percent of those who vote have never written to their representatives or called their offices. Those who have, seldom get a response from the elected official, instead they get a form letter written by a staffer. The staffers act as gatekeepers to the official and act to insulate them from the public.


*I* 'need to know'???


lunarminer, I am well aware of politics, and how to best get the response you want from the politicians.

But thanks for the laugh.



posted on Mar, 15 2009 @ 08:24 PM
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If you indeed know, then you know that simply writing or calling your representative is not sufficient to get them to act. The fact is that they respond best to campaign contributions of 1000 dollars or higher.

If you in fact know this, then why did you imply that the system as it currently exists works perfectly in your area?

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posted on Mar, 15 2009 @ 08:25 PM
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If you indeed know, then you know that simply writting or calling your representative is not sufficient to get them to act. The fact is that they respond best to campaign contributions of 1000 dollar or higher.

If you in fact know this, then why did you imply that the system as it currently exists works perfectly in your area?




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