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Public co-ed bathrooms? Huh?

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posted on Mar, 15 2009 @ 11:12 AM
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I would believe that the issue with the transgendered is that they are required as part of the course of their transition to live as the opposite sex before their final procedure which, and someone please correct me if I'm wrong, is the procedure which alters their genitalia. That would include using the restroom that matches their transition as opposed to their physical characteristics.

[edit on 15-3-2009 by TravelerintheDark]




posted on Mar, 15 2009 @ 11:19 AM
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most likely I think.

And I don't think that is what people really have an issue with. I mean if you are going to live as a woman having been born a man. I think you should use the womens rest room.

Some may have issue with transvestites however. As some aren't gay and just like to dress as a woman. This might cause issue. As which restroom do they use. They after all are just pretending for a moment to be a woman. Do they still have to use the mens room or as they are pretending to be a woman at the time they should be able to use the womens rest room?



posted on Mar, 15 2009 @ 11:32 AM
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I should have specifically replied to those who commented, but I thought there was more than one, and assumed potentially more to come, that specifically spoke of not wanting to be 'subjected' to the transgendered.

But, really, mandatory door stalls take care of the issue completely as far as I can see. If a transgendered male or female walks into a restroom that doesn't match their current biological state, I doubt anyone is going to notice the difference without a close look.

The way I see it ultimately is that we're all doing the same 'business' so why shouldn't we be able to use the same 'store' if and when the need arises? Personally though I'd be unaffected as I avoid public nudity even in private.



posted on Mar, 15 2009 @ 11:42 AM
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this idea is just ew. What I worry about is trying to go to toilet while I see a man's shoes underneath the door waiting to hear exactly what I'm doing. I've had that happen. Most women know how uncomfortable it is having perverts loitering outside ladies toilets.. giving them the legal option to loiter inside them is a horrendous and dangerous idea.

otherwise I've got no probs with transgendered using the women's bathroom.



posted on Mar, 15 2009 @ 01:03 PM
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Well, you can always use a tree. Poor trees. I wonder what they did in Rome? I believe they didn't have stalls in their public restrooms, only flowy white robes to cover themselves while they sat (white is a bad idea I think).. Wonder why we have so many issues about something so natural?
Perhaps we should solve the ORIGINAL problem of being so hung up on the fact that we are human. Sure there are creeps out there, but I am seeing people act as if the world is completely full of them... Do you look at a stranger and assume the worst? What is wrong with you people? THAT is not going to help.
One day, in a perfect world, we wont have all these sexual issues. I'm tired of them.



posted on Mar, 15 2009 @ 02:15 PM
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Originally posted by mystiq
Statistically speaking more women are harmed, raped and murdered by men than the other way. So to jump on that generalization is alarming to me, when I'm expressing, that if faced between the choice of wetting my pants or using a bathroom where a strange man could barge in, I would wet my pants, as I have experienced violence.

[edit on 15-3-2009 by mystiq]


Yeah, but more men are subject to violence at the hands of other men than women. So what if a guy is uncomfortable around other guys and wants to feel safe being surrounded by women in the bathroom?



posted on Mar, 15 2009 @ 03:30 PM
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I don't really think this has anything to do with co-ed restrooms (though personally I wouldn't have a problem with that)...IMO this would generally apply to people using the restroom for the gender they present as, so it wouldn't actually be noticeable to anyone. If someone was breaking a law that would still be an issue regardless of which restroom they were using.

If a trans person isn't using the restroom for the gender they identify as, that's going to appear to everyone else as either a man in the women's restroom or a woman in the men's restroom, so if you're not comfortable with that this should actually be a good thing.



posted on Mar, 15 2009 @ 04:13 PM
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I remember when I was in the military that we had to clean the bathrooms and it didn't matter which sex you were. I had women walk in and use the toilet while i was cleaning the sinks. I guess thougth some women will always feel like they are waiting to be victimized and that men will do nothing but victimize them. I doubt if this law changes anything, but cost a bunch of taxpayers money for the work that went into the bill.

Just my .02 cents

-Aza



posted on Mar, 15 2009 @ 05:49 PM
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I think you mean a "unisex" bathroom.

They already exist in night clubs, but that is a well-populated, controlled enviornment.

A man who wants to use the little girls' room should cut his junk off, plain and simple. A straight man who wants to spy on women in the bathroom could simply pose as a transvestite.

Allowing men to be in a bathroom with women would give him an opportunity to commit other crimes, like planting a hidden recording device. A man wishing to violate a woman in the bathroom doesn't have to forcibly rape her at gun point. He could simply just unlock the door or look through an opening or a hole. Men could also expose themselves or commit other harassing acts.

It's also possible that a woman in an abusive relationship, or even under mind control, could use the women's bathroom as a refuge or a means of escape.

Women are usually embarrassed about their natural odors.

Maybe men don't undress in the bathroom, but women do.

These damn gay rights stories are so annoying.



posted on Mar, 15 2009 @ 05:58 PM
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Fascinating trollishious response. Thank you, your contribution is most helpful.



posted on Mar, 15 2009 @ 06:05 PM
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Have lost count of how many "Men's" rooms I've used in a pinch,sorry.
Usually you just get a dirty look on your way out,most men are NOT beasts who are lurking to take advantage in my experience.

Woman tend to take WAY too long if you're in a hurry...I often wonder what the heck some of them DO in there and I'm as female as it gets.

Do I want to share a "co-ed" restroom with a man I'm currently not sharing anything else with? Not really.

I will mention the pleasant experience I had in China however where the
"public" restroom is basically one large concrete room with holes in the floor and the fact that you pay a "blind man" for some paper prior to squatting.

Shared pottys don't seem all that offensive to me after that lil' visit.



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posted on Mar, 15 2009 @ 08:06 PM
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I'm sorry, I don't feel that transgender people have any right to go into the opposite sex's bathroom. If you're born a male with male equipment, then your place is in the men's restroom.

If you're born a woman with women plumbing, then go to the womens restroom.

Just because you're a cross dresser doesn't mean you automatically get to choose. If you've had a sex change operation, then by all means.



I just find it funny how some believe if a person has the mentality of the opposite sex, their supposed to have some sort of "right" to go into the other sex's restroom. It's not about mentality, it's about what you have between your legs. (Sorry, I found that offensive myself, but some won't quite get it unless you spell it out.)



FK



posted on Mar, 15 2009 @ 08:20 PM
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As long as you're traumatized, I guess it's ok. Maybe Solomon should have just cut the baby in half. At least that would have stopped the crying.

No, that's not how public opinion is engineered



posted on Mar, 15 2009 @ 08:42 PM
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Originally posted by mystiq
Statistically speaking more women are harmed, raped and murdered by men than the other way. So to jump on that generalization is alarming to me, when I'm expressing, that if faced between the choice of wetting my pants or using a bathroom where a strange man could barge in, I would wet my pants, as I have experienced violence.

[edit on 15-3-2009 by mystiq]


This is very insensitive. Basing your judgments off of previous experiences does not equate to what is really happening everywhere else. The statistics in any situation can be skewed to whatever side you want to believe. Let me pose a question... How many men that are "raped" by women report it to authorities? What we need to understand is that we always look at the negative aspect of things. What I read of this regulation, is that a "person" should not be persecuted for having to do a physiological activity. The release of toxins from our bodies (using the restroom) is done by any carbon-based lifeform/entity on this Earth.
Do not let your bias of an action that happened in the past reflect the way you think in the present. It just pains me that everyone is a criminal because they fit into a species/gender/hair-color/height/weight/age category, and because one bad fruit, everyone is spoiled/rotten as well. And I'm guilty of it as well, but the beauty of being a human with a brain and intelligence is I can rationalize and re-educate myself into believing/trusting in the better good of our civilization...
...end rant...



posted on Mar, 15 2009 @ 08:47 PM
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It is sad really, that so many people are prudish about their plumbing. I have been to unisex bathrooms all around the globe and have never seen anyone complain nor hesitate. Some places only have one bathroom, regardless of gender. Some, as the poster mentioned about China, are simply a series of holes in the floor that you squat over. When I was in China last year the unisex Bathrooms on trains, were often just a hole in the floor, and you do your business on the train tracks. They do lock the doors when they are in stations however. "Night soil" makes a good fertilizer. I have even been to Companies in the US that have unisex bathrooms, and no one made a big deal about it.

It is funny, that this paranoid prudish behavior is far more common in some of the industrialized nations, and in particular in the US, than is found anywhere else. Most European nations are a bit less hung up on the whole thing.

Mankind has been peeing communally for many thousands of years. It is no big deal.



posted on Mar, 15 2009 @ 08:57 PM
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Originally posted by Terapin
It is sad really, that so many people are prudish



That is offensive and condescending, and typical of people with questionnable motives.



[edit on 15-3-2009 by vcwxvwligen]



posted on Mar, 15 2009 @ 09:06 PM
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Yes, rapists abound. Hidden behind every corner, lurking within naturist movements especially.

And always, ALWAYS wearing a trench coat. Beware the men in trench coats for they always hide something phallic in nature, whether it be guns or phalli.

or would that be phalluses?

As has already been said, door signs don't bother rapists.



posted on Mar, 15 2009 @ 09:11 PM
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Can we say cost effective. Less bathrooms to build. I have been in a few hospitals here in Bama that have coed bathrooms. Don't see this as a big deal myself.



posted on Mar, 15 2009 @ 09:22 PM
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Originally posted by eNumbra
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Yes, rapists abound. Hidden behind every corner, lurking within naturist movements especially.

And always, ALWAYS wearing a trench coat. Beware the men in trench coats for they always hide something phallic in nature, whether it be guns or phalli.

or would that be phalluses?

As has already been said, door signs don't bother rapists.



Rape requires an inclination and opportunity. Both of those are enhanced when a man is near a woman who is sexually available.

But, like I said, forceable rape at gun point is not the only way for a man to violate a woman. There are men who have all kinds of weird fixations, like a urination fixation.

There is lots of "nudist" porn, as well as nude photos that are used for pornographic purposes, so don't go there.

Remind me what is wrong with seperate bathrooms please?



posted on Mar, 15 2009 @ 09:28 PM
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I agree. Priests should have separate bathrooms to protect us from their devious nature.

Then we can all pee in peace. Amen to that!




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