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Originally posted by TravelerintheDark
Thanks for editing your post, but the original tone seems to belie your 'point' to broadly generalize. If you'd like to know the facts rather than the interpretations, look up the Protestant Reformation and the history of the Catholic church. I doubt the answers here will deviate much from that.
As a former Catholic, that's what I was told.
[edit on 14-3-2009 by TravelerintheDark]
[edit on 14-3-2009 by TravelerintheDark]
Originally posted by XXXN3O
Read up on who founded christianity.
The First Council of Nicea is believed to have been the first Ecumenical council of the Christian Church. Most significantly, it resulted in the first uniform Christian doctrine, called the Nicene Creed. With the creation of the creed, a precedent was established for subsequent general (ecumenical) councils of Bishops' (Synods) to create statements of belief and canons of doctrinal orthodoxy— the intent being to define unity of beliefs for the whole of Christendom.
Originally posted by XXXN3O
Even if it was the John you spoke of before your edit, that itself is irrelavant to the catholic church being the founder as you stated.
Catholics recognize the Pope as a successor to Saint Peter, who Jesus named as the "shepherd" and "rock" of the Church.
Originally posted by XXXN3O
If you read my opening post you will see that my point is to actually state that many on this site believe christianity is in fact catholicism.
Originally posted by B.A.C.
Anyone who places their faith in Christ and his teachings is IMO a Christian. ie; a follower of Christ.
Originally posted by TravelerintheDark
Originally posted by XXXN3O
Read up on who founded christianity.
Jesus founded no church, nor any religion I'm aware of. He was a teacher and built no temple.
Is that to say that there were no Christians before Catholics? Of course not. But who edited the Bible, the supposed teaching of Jesus? Check out the Council of Nicaea.
The First Council of Nicea is believed to have been the first Ecumenical council of the Christian Church. Most significantly, it resulted in the first uniform Christian doctrine, called the Nicene Creed. With the creation of the creed, a precedent was established for subsequent general (ecumenical) councils of Bishops' (Synods) to create statements of belief and canons of doctrinal orthodoxy— the intent being to define unity of beliefs for the whole of Christendom.
en.wikipedia.org...
Originally posted by XXXN3O
Even if it was the John you spoke of before your edit, that itself is irrelavant to the catholic church being the founder as you stated.
Actually, I said Peter.
Catholics recognize the Pope as a successor to Saint Peter, who Jesus named as the "shepherd" and "rock" of the Church.
en.wikipedia.org...
Originally posted by XXXN3O
If you read my opening post you will see that my point is to actually state that many on this site believe christianity is in fact catholicism.
I did read yours and gave an honest answer. Did you read mine? Because your original response certainly didn't imply that. I really don't need someone telling me what I do and don't believe based on a single post here at ATS.
Originally posted by babloyi
reply to post by B.A.C.
Originally posted by B.A.C.
Anyone who places their faith in Christ and his teachings is IMO a Christian. ie; a follower of Christ.
That is an interesting definition, but I wonder how many other 'Christians' agree with that? And what do you mean by 'places their faith in Christ'? Do you mean that they believe that Jesus was Christ (ie. the Messiah)?
I ask, because many many times on this site, I see the opposite of what the OP is suggesting. I see many 'Christians' claim that Catholics are not christian.
What would be the most over-arching and complete definition of 'Christian'? Would it be 'someone who believes in all that is written in the Bible'? But then you'd have to question: which Bible (which collection of books)? They are different depending on whether you are Catholic, Protestant, Eastern Orthodox, or even gnostic. And besides, a person who has never read the Bible may very possibly be a 'Christian', even in the sense that you outlined in your definiton.
So I reiterate: what would be the complete and total definition of 'Christian'?
Originally posted by babloyi
reply to post by B.A.C.
But then follower of Christ could cover a very wide group of people. Heck, I could consider myself a follower of Christ.
Don't get me wrong, I find your tolerance to be a good thing, but I get the feeling that not everyone shares your open-mindedness.