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reply posted on 16-3-2009 @ 01:16 AM by VitriolAndAngst
reply to post by zappafan1


www.nationalblackrepublicans.com -- Again, the racism argument is a distraction. You don't NEED to be a racist, and I'm sure they are just as disappointed in the need for these token appointments as you are.

As long as Clarence Thomas and Condi, follow the clearly marked path to success, well, the world is their oyster. I'm sure that new guy who is black and at the top of the Republican party, is great branding for the kids. He should be "black Republican Extreme" because you know, the kids like the Extreme stuff now.

I don't care about the racism issue too much. But the angry reactionary who doesn't want WELFARE, but seems to forget that most of our taxpayer money goes to bailing out all the genius financial leaders who seem to get into trouble at least once every ten years -- well, you can certainly fool some of the people all of the time.


I'm only in the Liberal camp now, because I care about Liberty, the Constitution, Fairness, a Living Wage. I've yet to meet anyone who wants to make America worse, capitulate to Chinese Communists, or any of the other theories proposed by Rush Limbaugh. Seriously, the Left never seriously flirted with Communism..."

Reply: Is that why Obama was a member of the New Party, a Communist group, then a Black separatist church for 20 years? Is that why over 55 Democrats are members of the Democratic Socialists of America? Socialism, Marxism, Communism, different only by degree of government control.

You CANNOT believe in Liberty and the Constitution and believe in a "living wage."




I can't keep up with the latest Obama theory. The fact that none of the Clinton accusations never panned out (read Ken Starr's report -- exonerated on EVERY COUNT) don't seem to make it into your memory. I'm sure he was pretty conflicted, being a Muslim terrorist while going to a Christian Communist meeting. What a busy guy doing all that and getting his law degree.

Perhaps he just attended a church, and Conservatives who don't like him, have enough time on their hands to run computer models of every person who ever attended service, and then just connected the dots. Perhaps a few people died while being members of that church? Where is Ken Starr when you need a witch hunt?

The fact remains, that Democrats suppressed their own extremist tendencies unlike those on the right. There is and never has been wide-spread support for Communism in this country, beyond a few intellectual debates. I've met an actual Communist Liberal, and he was an astronomer. He was well-versed in particle physics and probably knows more history than the two of us combined. But so far -- only one, and he wasn't planning on blowing everything up or forcing the issue.

I really can't debate the "Obama wasn't born in the US" theories. After a birth certificate and witnesses to his virgin birth (I hear some wise men brought frankincense and myrrh) -- I'm kind of spent. I can't actually do more to PROVE I was born in the US either. Why does George Bush have no witnesses of his service in the National Guard in Alabama? You'd think there would be like, other people in his platoon? Ah, but I'm sure these debates can go on forever, while we are distracted from the IMPORTANT IDEAS.

A "Living wage" is a concept that was pushed by that well known Communist, the Republican President Teddy Roosevelt -- back when Republican's hadn't gone off the deep end.

So why don't you debate these concepts with one of the last great Republicans?

The Constitution promises; "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness" -- how do any of those matter if you don't have the money to feed, clothe and house yourself by putting in a full days work?

Of course, I'm sure these are all Commie sentiments. But I wonder, if there is no system that promotes some "fairness" on wages -- then how can any of the Commie ideas in the Constitution be implemented?

How do you have any Liberty, if you can't get money for Bus Fair in New York? I'm not eating -- but hey, I'm free to throw myself off a building... I don't think that's what the Founding Fathers had in mind, especially when we have more money now than when our Republicans got rid of Usury Laws.

>> I fully expect, you to ignore the main points I've made, and to find a few words you can direct into a straw man argument, so that you can debate me on some stupid liberal concept that makes you feel more comfortable.


reply posted on 16-3-2009 @ 01:33 AM by VitriolAndAngst
I have to add this....
Really, Teddy Roosevelt had some good things to say;

I dare say, this Republican leader, would be getting slammed by Rush Limbaugh. The Invisible hand of the marketplace is supposed to take care of everyone but lazy people. But apparently, back before we had FDR's New Deal proposals, there were people suffering.

Roosevelt proposed the "square deal" which is the roots of FDR's later policies. It is definitely worth the read;
We stand for a living wage. Wages are subnormal if they fail to provide a living for those who devote their time and energy to industrial occupations. The monetary equivalent of a living wage varies according to local conditions, but must include enough to secure the elements of a normal standard of living--a standard high enough to make morality possible, to provide for education and recreation, to care for immature members of the family, to maintain the family during periods of sickness, and to permit of reasonable saving for old age.

Hours are excessive if they fail to afford the worker sufficient time to recuperate and return to his work thoroughly refreshed. We hold that the night labor of women and children is abnormal and should be prohibited; we hold that the employment of women over forty-eight hours per week is abnormal and should be prohibited. We hold that the seven day working week is abnormal, and we hold that one day of rest in seven should be provided in law. We hold that the continuous industries, operating twenty-four hours out of twenty-four, are abnormal, and where, because of public necessity or of technical reasons (such as molten metal), the twenty-four hours must be divided into two shifts of twelve hours or three shifts of eight, they should by law be divided into three of eight.

Safety conditions are abnormal when, through unguarded machinery, poisons, electrical voltage, or otherwise, the workers are subjected to unnecessary hazards of life and limb; and all such occupations should come under governmental regulation and control.

Home life is abnormal when tenement manufacture is carried on in the household. It is a serious menace to health, education, and childhood, and should therefore be entirely prohibited. Temporary construction camps are abnormal homes and should be subjected to governmental sanitary regulation.

The premature employment of children is abnormal and should be prohibited; so also the employment of women in manufacturing, commerce, or other trades where work compels standing constantly; and also any employment of women in such trades for a period of at least eight weeks at time of childbirth.

Our aim should be to secure conditions which will tend everywhere towards regular industry, and will do away with the necessity for rush periods, followed by out-of-work seasons, which put so severe a strain on wage-workers.

It is abnormal for any industry to throw back upon the community the human wreckage due to its wear and tear, and the hazzards of sickness, accident, invalidism, involuntary unemployment, and old age should be provided for through insurance. This should be made a charge in whole or in part upon the industries the employer, the employee, and perhaps the people at large, to contribute severally in some degree. Wherever such standards are not met by given establishments, by given industries, are unprovided for by a legislature, or are balked by unenlightened courts, the workers are in jeopardy, the progressive employer is penalized, and the community pays a heavy cost in lessened efficiency and in misery. What Germany has done in the way of old age pensions or insurance should be studied by us, and the system adapted to our uses, with whatever modifications are rendered necessary by our different ways of life and habits of thought.

But in his defense, he was talking to a room full of Progressives, so perhaps he was just pandering to the notion of human decency, and the logic that treating people right is actually better for America in the long run. Can't say if this was a momentary lapse or not.


After this, Progressives drifted away from the Republican Party, and with them, any vestigial trace of common sense.



reply posted on 16-3-2009 @ 01:46 AM by VitriolAndAngst
Originally posted by intelinside451
Come on...This is the liberal, left sided, brain washing the sheep article I've ever read in my life. If you actually sat down and listened to him for 3 hours you would probably agree with a lot he's saying.

The GOP is this countries only chance at freedom from big government and prosperity that we have left. Just wait until we turn in socialist France or Britain and everyone is just equally broke, with no hope to try any harder than the next guy in life. America was founded on the current system, it's stupid to change it.

reply to post by grover




Other than cutting programs that HELPED PEOPLE, the Republicans in the last 50 years have NEVER decreased the size of government. If the GOP is our last chance at small government -- wow, are we toast.

Reagan almost crashed our economy in 1981 after abruptly reducing taxes on the wealthy. He then doubled Social Security taxes from 7.5 to 14.5 %, and added "self employment taxes." So, other than the great job at massaging his image -- he stands as raising the MOST taxes on the middle class of any President in history.

And when is the Military Industrial Complex not part of Big Government? Reagan, then Bush Jr. certainly grew that. And what is all this "homeland security?" We have a lot of people employed scanning folks and working as prison guards.

Government should be responsive to the needs of the people and whatever size that is necessary. I and the rest of the voters are part of the government -- I can't lobby the head of GM to do a damn thing. I don't fear Government -- I fear corrupt people getting in office.

I listened to Rush when he first came on the air -- back when Oprah was doing a lot more shows about what was wrong with white men. I thought he was funny then, before he started to believe his own press. I didn't care that he never held a job before that and that his dad owned the radio station where he got his job.

I've listened to Rush and other conservatives on plenty of occasions. It's all I can do to get through ten minutes without pulling my hair out at all the distortions and bald faced lies. I don't blame Republicans for a lot of their misconceptions -- they make sense when you consider the daily diet of misinformation.

And yes, Liberals do get a bit more facts right, and the Conservatives seem to live in an alternate reality. It is no longer just a difference of opinion.

Now the Conservatives and of course Rush Limbaugh, are jumping on Obama for his "stimulus package." Their ideas are to cut spending and lower taxes AGAIN. If China is going to balk at loaning our money for more spending on bridges -- they certainly are going to have an issue with more tax breaks. But the last person to reduce spending during a severe recession was Herbert Hoover --- did you happen to read about the Great Depression? Republican leaders are either cynical, stupid, or both. I'm sure there are very smart Republican leaders -- but they aren't allowed to speak up, unfortunately.


reply posted on 16-3-2009 @ 04:19 AM by bubbabuddha
He just maybe one voice in a sea of them, so what if I listen to his show while I cook food for my kids, I don't care if he has simplistic solutions and he was right to call Obama a failure if he means to bring full blown socialism to america. We as a society are dumber than rocks, look at how Obama thinks we can solve it all, through more government after government made all this possible, when are people going to look inward instead of outward into what others think and what others listen too?

So freaking what I listen to his show. So what, why should anyone care, that would be my business. It aint nobody's business if I do. Same would be for drugs, prostitution and words as Frank Zappa would say.

Yeah sure he has spooks in his head, but so does Obama and in fact most of these democrats actually believe in more fantasy than they would admit, especially the supposed rational scientific solutions to metaphysical reality. They think they know the meaning of life, nobody does! ONly a fool thinks he would be the center of the universe, Limbaugh at least knows in his mind that he can't be the center of the universe and plays with the Idea that he could be, he mostly plays in irony, yet I would argue it goes over most peoples heads.

The governemnt or natural law don't exist except for on pieces of paper and in our heads, if we let it, same with money, we live in a Schrodinger's Cat universe not some darwinistic determined gearshift, so one can make whatever one wants out of anything anyone says, but even the very act of measurement creates the spooks in our heads.

You create what you see and hear or understand, you limit your head and what you can understand. Maybe Rush uses metaphors for things that can't have any basis or understanding in reality circa 2009. Maybe at this moment some things just can't be known, ever. That includes things that many think are solved realities, yeah maybe in YOUR REALITY TUNNEL, but not in everyone elses, each individual can be considered different from each other, we are not the same, we are not united but only in our minds and we can change our minds instantly, so unity does not exist outside of your brains, same with equality, look at each human or insect or animal in existence they all are unique and since we are this way you can't gamble on how people will behave since they can change their behavior as soon as you try to tax them or outlaw them or finally attack them, voters are irrational, the system of politics appears irrational to me, anyone that points out flaws of ideas and behavior that people accept as a given will generate a ton of critics. Rush knows that government does not solve anything it merely confidence tricks people into thinking they are the "GREAT WIZARD OF OZ".

So if they would just stop claiming Bush was free market and Obama as the savior with Big Government then we can get somewhere, BUsh was a socialist and Obama, well, he doesn't get it, or if he does he doesn't realize we get it too.

[edit on 16-3-2009 by bubbabuddha]


reply posted on 16-3-2009 @ 07:17 AM by grover
reply to post by HIFIGUY


Jeff Foxworthy is more intelligent and entertaining... I have no interest in listening to anyone air their ignorance and prejudices in public like rush does.


reply posted on 16-3-2009 @ 09:21 AM by Sheeper
Originally posted by grover
reply to post by HIFIGUY


Jeff Foxworthy is more intelligent and entertaining... I have no interest in listening to anyone air their ignorance and prejudices in public like rush does.


And people airing their prejudices towards the conservative voice is perfectly acceptable.



reply posted on 16-3-2009 @ 09:28 AM by semperfortis
reply to post by meteorlima


"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds". Albert Einstein


Perhaps the best comment in this thread!!!

Outstanding

Semper


reply posted on 16-3-2009 @ 09:40 AM by Hemisphere
reply to post by Stormdancer777


Thanks for posting that linkage Stormdancer.

Limbaugh has been espousing that the stimulus plan is a hijacking of the nation's wealth to entrench the Democratic Party's ideology. What is the problem with resistance to subversive ideologues? If Limbaugh wasn't onto something they would simply ignore him. The adminsitration "doth protest too much". Limbaugh is apparently a threat to them. The administration should shut him up not by pulling the plug on him but by proving him wrong. They know they can't.


reply posted on 16-3-2009 @ 10:00 AM by arcnaver
Originally posted by Cool Hand Luke

Yet if you look at the bible, it sounds much more like Marxism and socialism than it does capitalism.



Then you need to reread the bible, you are missing the part about actually being self reliant and serving one another. The part about actually being a productive member of society and not being a slave to the take take take program like Marxism and Socialism. Their is a huge difference between what the Bible says for you to do and What Marxism and Socialism want you to be. One will free society from the government tit, the other will demand you latch on and start sucking.

Yes, it looks like Marxism and Socialism at first glance, but with a MAJOR difference. You must be productive or your kicked out. The complete opposite is true for Marxism, in fact, you are encouraged not to be productive. Marxism/Socialism is nothing short of Theft.

The OP seems to not have listened to Rush at all. All's you can say is you don't like him. So! Why? 'Because he thinks hes the head!... blah blah blah liberal talking point blah blah blah memorized talking point blah blah blah.'

Like I said, anyone who has actually listened to the guy, can tell when he is being serious and when he is saying things in jest, that sound serious.

Tell us why YOU don't like him, not why the Messiah Obama doesn't want you to like him.

--
Demanding that the Republicans come to the center, is really demanding that they throw away their values to sink to yours! Why the heck should they throw away their values just to satisfy YOU by coming to a middle ground?

The middle ground is as FAR Left as you can go. It may sound backwards, but that is exactly what it is. A LEFT agenda. Their is no Middle Ground with the left.

Their is no Right or Left. Only what is right and what is wrong! Both parties are in the midst of WRONG right now.

Fine, you dont like Rush. Dont listen! Is that so hard to do? Is their some magic in his voice that compels you to leave the radio on his station to listen?


reply posted on 16-3-2009 @ 10:23 AM by HunkaHunka
Originally posted by rcwj75
reply to post by HunkaHunka


That is kinda amazing. I mean I hate Obama but do NOT have the time nor mindset to write down anything on the highway and display it to you or your wife...lol. People can be amazing, but lets not forget, during the elections you have the Obama/Left supporters stealing Mccain signs, destroying property of supporters, etc....

Bottom line is some people just lose it, and act out in ways that we will never see as normal.


Point made my friend....


point made ;-)

Sillyness is not limited to one political view.


reply posted on 16-3-2009 @ 10:48 AM by Hemisphere
reply to post by Cool Hand Luke




Yet if you look at the bible, it sounds much more like Marxism and socialism than it does capitalism.


I agree, I always thought that Luke. (The bible was a tool for controlling the masses by the masters.) Why do communist regimes squash religion? Because the government becomes god and they don't want competition for hearts and minds. Personally I don't need god from any source.

My opinion is that Limbaugh is a skeptic and peppers his diatribes with "God" to appease the sheeple. He knows his audience. I listen at times but I have my filters on. I think he claims to be a Methodist like Bush Jr and like it was with Jr the religiosity is for public consumption. I don't ever recall Limbaugh mentioning attending the "church social" or "I was discussing this with my pastor" or anything of that sort. He has no church/pastor. Obama's in the same boat, no god. He was simply there with "Rev Wrong" for appearances and votes. He knew where his political bread would be buttered. Atheists continue to be anathema in the US and that's a damned shame.


reply posted on 16-3-2009 @ 11:49 AM by grover
reply to post by Sheeper


I don't listen to any of it... left or right... its a waste of my time and pollution of my ear drums. I don't need some blowhard to tell me what to think... I read the papers and read on line and I read both left and right and make up my mind based on that... not from some over paid windbag.


reply posted on 16-3-2009 @ 11:53 AM by grover
reply to post by meteorlima


But limbaugh is small minded and petty so that quote doesn't apply to him... I don't know anybody except his defenders who would ever consider him a great spirit...

Einstien was a great spirit...
John Paul the 2 was a great spirit...
Nelson Mandela is a great spirit...
the Dalihi Lama is a great spirit...
MLK jr was a great spirit...

limbaugh is a windbag.
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