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Why are so many people calling contrails, Chemtrails?

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posted on Mar, 14 2009 @ 03:51 PM
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Originally posted by neformore
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I'll bite.

Where was the reading taken, exactly?


Sorry, you lost me. What reading was taken from where ? I posted links to what I said !!





THE MYCOPLASMA BEHIND THE EPIDEMICS

The probable origin of these unknown pathogens is a biological warfare program (see The Brucellosis Triangle, and the Consumer Health Newsletter, Jun.00 by Don Scott). Don Scott explains how the bioweaponeers extracted the active agent of brucellosis from the brucellosis bacteria. Although the active agent, the mycoplasma is still there, the bacteria has been discarded, and your blood tests will be negative even though you are infected with the brucellosis mycoplasma. Don Scott's conclusions are further corroborated by the work of Dr. Len Horowitz in Emerging Viruses: Aids and Ebola. This mycoplasma is behind the sudden epidemic of autoimmune diseases, a mycoplasma developed by the bioweaponeers as a stealth weapon that provokes no anti-inflammatory or antibody response. Mycoplasma is the infectious agent of Gulf War illness, and has long been a favourite of the bioweaponeers because of its stealth characteristics. (Stealth means that these organisms do not trigger an anti-inflammatory response or an antibody response that can be detected through normal testing. You need specialized equipment and processes to find mycoplasma or genetically-engineered brucellosis.)


some forum site ...
Now, let me point out this, we are an family of six, and three years ago, five of us had Mycoplasma Pneumonia, and I dont think that is an coincidence.. And stop questioning all my posts, I can slap hundreds of links to sites here, you ppl are going to debunk all of them. Rather, I want you debunkers to prove ME wrong . Seems to save alot of time, yes ? since there are so much evidence of all this is just normal Contrails, it shouldnt be so hard for you ? And taking an contrail PIC and wrap it around an Chemtrail info dosnt cut it ... I can see the diff. on most of them ... I do see them almost every day here......




posted on Mar, 14 2009 @ 03:59 PM
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Originally posted by Zaphod58
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Have you ever done research into how much barium and aluminum and other chemicals are released from ground sources?

How was this sample taken? Where is it from? Unless it was taken directly from the contrail, then you can't say that it's released from a plane. All of the supposed samples I've seen to date were collected improperly to prove where they were from.

That's the problem with chemtrails. Everyone says that you can see the difference, but they can't show anything that says what's different about them. I spent 25 years working on planes, and live in a very busy air corridor, but have yet to see anything odd about contrails. Where I used to live, I MIGHT have seen one contrail a year. Many years there were none at all. So that must mean that they aren't spraying there.


25 years you say ? and you ask how I see the diffrence? rich !
Chemtrails stay in the air for hours and you should know the contrails dont, after all, 25 years you should know that by now, and when I see 3 planes coming spraing , yes spraying I know it isnt normal. I gave you video yesterday, you said that was normal too, yet it isnt, and you know that ..So what are your motives debunking total proof of what Im claiming?
Is it if it is Chemicals or Not thats the deal here ? Im just wondering !



posted on Mar, 14 2009 @ 04:01 PM
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Originally posted by ChemBreather

Originally posted by QBSneak000
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Im sorry but as many here at ATS know, RENSE is not a credible source of information or anything else for that matter.

Again, show me a report from the EPA, NOAA, Environment Canada etc. or any other CREDIBLE source and I'll be more likely to believe.


Hehehe your a waste off time, as many other ppl...Good day sir..
You just trust sources from places you dont trust your self...Ok, I get the Gov. to write me letter of 'confetion', ohh, wiat , it is a cover up ...


No, I trust what I know as I work in that (scientific) field.

So instead of having an adult debate about the subject you decide that I and anyone else who disagrees with you is a waste of time? haha ok.....thats mature. All I am asking is for you to show some sort of credible evidence. But since you can't do that I can see why you would resort to that.



posted on Mar, 14 2009 @ 04:02 PM
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Originally posted by ChemBreather
Sorry, you lost me. What reading was taken from where ? I posted links to what I said !!



You posted a link to Rense, that shows a lab form.

The lab form does not show, in any place on it whatsever, where the air sample was taken.

The Rense page does not link to a site that gives those details.

When I followed the site name given on the rense page, again I found the lab report. What I didn't find was anything telling me where the air sample was taken.

So please, I ask again, can you tell me where the air sample was taken, rather than just blindly referring to it?

And please, don't say "Arizona", because Arizona is a damn big place.

Without the details of where the sample was taken, there is no way that anyone can assess the surrounding area, and see if there is a source of contaminent there that would indicate an unusually high reading.



posted on Mar, 14 2009 @ 04:06 PM
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Contrails stay in the air for hours under the right conditions. During WWII bomber crews had to fly different routes to get back to England because of their own contrails. This was after flying for hours to get to their targets and back.

I have yet to see any video that shows anything but normal contrails, or any picture that shows anything but normal contrails. All of the so called sprayer planes have been planes that had unusual things attached, but not for what people thought they were for.

I debunk chemtrails because they're a load of BS, and most people simply don't understand enough about aviation to explain what they see. They find a website that "explains" what they are seeing, and start jumping up and down about chemtrails.



posted on Mar, 14 2009 @ 04:08 PM
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Chemtrails stay in the air for hours and you should know the contrails dont



Not true, it depends on a lot of atmospheric factors such as humidity, temperature etc.



posted on Mar, 14 2009 @ 04:18 PM
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And this proves Barium was released in 1978 as tests ...
Fact. Barium released from Planes ...

Barium Releases from Orbit Article #269 by T. Neil Davis



posted on Mar, 14 2009 @ 04:20 PM
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Originally posted by neformore

Originally posted by ChemBreather
Sorry, you lost me. What reading was taken from where ? I posted links to what I said !!



You posted a link to Rense, that shows a lab form.

The lab form does not show, in any place on it whatsever, where the air sample was taken.

The Rense page does not link to a site that gives those details.

When I followed the site name given on the rense page, again I found the lab report. What I didn't find was anything telling me where the air sample was taken.

So please, I ask again, can you tell me where the air sample was taken, rather than just blindly referring to it?

And please, don't say "Arizona", because Arizona is a damn big place.

Without the details of where the sample was taken, there is no way that anyone can assess the surrounding area, and see if there is a source of contaminent there that would indicate an unusually high reading.


I dont know where it is taken,I live in Oslo Norway , and where it is taken shouldnt be an issue since this is world wide phenomenon....



posted on Mar, 14 2009 @ 04:20 PM
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How does Barium released 600 miles up in space prove that Barium is being released from planes? At 600 miles it wouldn't have an effect on people on the planet. In fact it says that the Barium went UP.



posted on Mar, 14 2009 @ 04:24 PM
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Where it was taken makes a LOT of difference. If I take a sample out of a bowl of water, and live near a plant or a natural source of barium then that say that sample shows that they're releasing barium, I'm lying. If the sample came from another source of aluminum, then it doesn't prove anything. HOW they collect it makes a difference as well as where it came from. The only way to say without a doubt that it came from a plane is to take the sample directly from the contrail, and have it show that there is a much higher level of barium or aluminum.



posted on Mar, 14 2009 @ 04:25 PM
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Originally posted by ChemBreather

As I said before, claiming contrail when you see it is not, it looks more like crop dusting than anything else, you lie, or need to research more ...Frankly, I would say you dont know how a contrail should look like ! ( I dont mean You , but You Alll, as in all people hehe )


Do you know what a normal contrail looks like? I've only iploaded a few photos onto ATS and apologise that they're large pictures which don't all fit well on the thread page, but here are a few pictures of normal contrails taken by an experienced weather observer. Can you debunk them?














posted on Mar, 14 2009 @ 04:25 PM
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Originally posted by ChemBreather
I dont know where it is taken,I live in Oslo Norway , and where it is taken shouldnt be an issue since this is world wide phenomenon....


Of course where its taken is an issue.

What if its immediately downwind of an aluminum smelting plant that produces tin cans? Or next to a mine that takes aluminium out of the ground and process it?

Much higher levels of Aluminium would be expected in such areas, and would have nothing to do with chemtrails.

Please stop blindly following and think about it.



posted on Mar, 14 2009 @ 04:27 PM
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Originally posted by ChemBreather

Chemtrails stay in the air for hours and you should know the contrails dont


Everyone else has known since the 1920s that they do


Ignorance is not evidence!



posted on Mar, 14 2009 @ 04:30 PM
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Well , I can say I see contrails on picture 2 and 6 ..
The others look likes the one I see here in norway.

If normal contrails all of the sudden starts to spread out widly on the sky for hours and hours, something is wrong with the atmosphere then.

contrails are usauly thin white lines. Not in the worst cases Ive seen here, dark dark gray ones...



posted on Mar, 14 2009 @ 04:38 PM
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Tell you what, I am too angry to type here
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I try and collect my pictures, I just burned them to a dvd cause I needed more free space, but I make a new thread for you and you explain the pictures to me ? Like why 3 planes in arow traveling close together making the Contrails in low altitude disrupt the clouds they tuch, like a knife thru butter...it is late here you see...
And I stand on my claim, chemtrails are real, the purpose and content, I am not sure. But you do know they use mycoplasma as desease carriers right? like in the 80's with the Hiv test in the Usa? the 'gay bomb' ?
It is like Hydrogen, it is an Carrier, it carries the energy,it dont make it !



posted on Mar, 14 2009 @ 04:40 PM
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Whether people call them Chem Trails, or Con Trails, just be glad someone is looking up at the sky. Humans don't usually have eyes on the top of our heads and sometimes we forget to look up every once in a while. I am glad there are people in the world looking up and reporting on what they find. It kind of feels like there are people keeping a watch out for us.



posted on Mar, 14 2009 @ 04:40 PM
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Originally posted by ChemBreather
Well , I can say I see contrails on picture 2 and 6 ..
The others look likes the one I see here in norway.


I think that proves my point.


If normal contrails all of the sudden starts to spread out widly on the sky for hours and hours, something is wrong with the atmosphere then.


Why? It's a well know meteorological process observed since the 1920s .....

All this is a bit like saying I;ve just seen a rainbow for the first time and therefore it must be proof of secret government activities .....

If someone has a good, validated, reason why for the past 90 years meteorologists have been wrong and contrails cannot persist and spread across the sky, please say so



posted on Mar, 14 2009 @ 04:43 PM
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Some of us probably spend too like looking up at the skies than is healthy - but you're right


It's sad that many people never notice the wonders above their heads. Skyscapes are wonderful things.

Thanks



posted on Mar, 14 2009 @ 04:58 PM
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Originally posted by neformore

Originally posted by ChemBreather
I dont know where it is taken,I live in Oslo Norway , and where it is taken shouldnt be an issue since this is world wide phenomenon....


Of course where its taken is an issue.

What if its immediately downwind of an aluminum smelting plant that produces tin cans? Or next to a mine that takes aluminium out of the ground and process it?

Much higher levels of Aluminium would be expected in such areas, and would have nothing to do with chemtrails.

Please stop blindly following and think about it.


I am not following blindly, I see and research, and when I find alot of explainations, I get the feeling that must be it ..
I am 37 years old, I have seen planes for some years since the Main airport in Oslo has always been around me.
I am not an dumb person, I have friends that are realy 'airplane crazy' and they say the same things as I read on the net. The Chemtrail conspiracy dont just appear, there is a reason for an conspiracy theory, and usually because there is something there, or else there wouldnt have been one, agreed ?
It is like this dude from MorgenBladet in Bergen here in Norway, I just finished a book called, Sleep, my little Norway (yes , SLEEP being the key word here) and in it,there is about Chemtrails, why,if it dont exist, why is it in this book? well, back to this dude from MorgenBlated:' there is no Illuminati' he claims, the auther of the book asks how he can be sure of that, and he responds: because I have been researching it for years. ??

That makes no sense to me , how can someone research something for years if there is nothing in existence to research ?


That is my Point too; how come there is claims of Chemtrails if that isnt the Fact, I do see them with my own eyes, and they are not weatherBalloons ..



posted on Mar, 14 2009 @ 05:05 PM
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With all the research, where are the facts that support the conspiracy theory? The only thing presented are ignorance about the mechanisms that cause contrails, things unrelated to contrails, speculation, unsubstantiated "reports", and claims that there is a visual difference between contrails and "chemtrails".

There is not one piece of evidence that shows "chemtrails" to be any thing other than contrails.



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