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Driving is a RIGHT, not a Privilege! Carbon tax...up yours.

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posted on Mar, 14 2009 @ 06:02 AM
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With the global warming hype in full swing and the threat of carbon taxes looming on the horizon, we are being methodically bombarded with this doom and gloom future that will extinguish life on earth without swift and long overdue action.

The pattern is clear in historical documentation that this is but another cause and solution propaganda campaign to further dig into our wallets, freedom, liberty and privacy.

Now that the cause has been declared, the solution is to install yet more tax upon almost every aspect of our economy and will expunge from us ever increasing and never ending additional tax costs as well as invading our private pursuits of life, liberty and happiness.

While the money flows from us for using carbon based consumptions, industries, and pretty much all commerce in one aspect or another, those who are hell-bent on ravaging out every penny from us are going way over the top of late with every method, angle, thought that they can to establish reason after reason to suck us dry of every form of value thry can, from property, to labor, to wages, on and on.

Expecting us to eat it up over and over, for ever and ever....

One of the most vicious attacks is now in the works.

Tax the miles we drive, the oil and petrolium based products we need for maintenence and repairs, as well as almost every product made of or with these petrol based products.

As if this wasn't bad enough and an insult to our already broken backs and intellect, they want to track our use of roads and the distances driven to "charge" us appropriately.

Well, screw that.

Here is an article explaining the right of travel, not the priviledge to, and referrencing case law that proves we have no obligation to abide by any legislation taxing us, mandating we purchase license, registration, insurance, or other unconstitutional device, nor do we have a need to comply with any law that restricts our use of roadways to move ourselves and our property with carriage or automobile.

www.pyrabang.com...


..."Even the legislature has no power to deny to a citizen the right to
travel upon the highway and transport his property in the ordinary course of
his business or pleasure, though this right may be regulated in accordance with
the public interest and convenience. - Chicago Motor Coach v Chicago 169 NE 22
...
"The right of the citizen to travel upon the public highways and to
transport his property thereon, either by carriage or by automobile, is not a
mere privilege which a city may prohibit or permit at will, but a common right
which he has under the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."-
Thompson v Smith 154 SE 579.
...
"The right to travel is a part of the liberty of which the citizen
cannot be deprived without due process of law under the 5th Amendment." - Kent
v Dulles, 357 U.S. 116, 125.
...
"Undoubtedly the right of locomotion, the right to remove from one
place to another according to inclination, is an attribute of personal Liberty,
and the right, ordinarily, of free transit from or through the
territory of any State is a right secured by the l4th Amendment and by other
provisions of the Constitution." - Schactman v Dulles, 96 App D.C. 287, 293.
...
Government, in requiring the people to file for "drivers Licenses, vehicle
registrations, mandatory insurance, and demanding they stop for vehicle
inspections, DUI/DWI roadblocks etc. without question, are "restricting", and
therefore violating, the Peoples common law right to travel.
...
The first of such questions may very well be - If the States have been enforcing
laws that are unconstitutional on their face, it would seem that there must be
some way that a state can legally put restrictions, such as - licensing
requirements, mandatory insurance, vehicle registration, vehicle
inspections, D.W.I. roadblocks, to name just a few, on a Citizens
constitutionally protected right. Is that not so?

For the answer to this question let us look, once again, to the U.S. courts for
a determination on this very issue.

The case of Hertado v. California, 110 U.S. 516. states very plainly: "The State
cannot diminish rights of the people."

"the assertion of federal rights, when plainly and reasonably made, is not to be
defeated under the name of local practice."- Davis v. Wechsler, 263 U.S. 22, 24.

Would we not say that these judicial decisions are straight to the point - that
there is no lawful method for government to put restrictions or Limitations on
rights belonging to the people?

Other cases are even more straight forward:

"Where rights secured by the Constitution are involved, there can be no rule
making or legislation which would abrogate them." - Miranda v. Arizona, 384
U.S. 436, 491.

"The claim and exercise of a constitutional right cannot be converted into a
crime.· - Miller v. U.S., 230 F 2d 486, 489.

"There can be no sanction or penalty imposed upon one because of this exercise
of Constitutional rights."- Sherar v. Cullen, 481 F. 945. ( There is no
question that a citation/ticket issued by a police officer, for no
drivers license, no current vehicle registration, no vehicle insurance etc.
which carries a fine or jail time, is a penalty or sanction, and is indeed
"converting a Right into a crime".)


Just for some content. give it a read.



[edit on 14-3-2009 by imd12c4funn]




posted on Mar, 14 2009 @ 06:20 AM
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I agree that the taxes are absurd.

But to say driving is a right is totally wrong.


There are enough crashes and deaths created by cars as it is. Can you imagine the chaos if there was no licensing procedure??



posted on Mar, 14 2009 @ 06:32 AM
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As "Rights" are clearly defined by the Constitution and the Amendments, I would like to know where in that auspicious document it is mentioned..

Semper



posted on Mar, 14 2009 @ 06:32 AM
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so you do the speed limit and drive to your destination. driving is a learned ability, just like riding a bike.

Once you know how, why should you have to pay and pay for all of the licenses etc...

Sure, you need to consider others on roadways and speeding, DUI, recklessness, etc... does infringe on other's right to drive, but to be stopped for expired tabs, no seat belt, any other given reason that is not harming anyone else is just another form of extortion when ticketed, IMHO



posted on Mar, 14 2009 @ 06:41 AM
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The answer is found in ARTICLE SIX of the U.S. Constitution:

"This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in
Pursuance thereof;.shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the judges in
every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of
any State to the Contrary not withstanding". (This tells us that the U.S.
Constitution is to be upheld over any state, county, or city Laws that are in
opposition to it.)

In the same Article it goes on to say just who it is within our governments that
is bound by this Supreme Law:

"The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the
several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of
the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or
Affirmation, to support this Constitution;". - ART. 6 U.S. CONST.

We know that Police officers, are a part of the Executive branch. We are
"Executive Officers".

Article 6 above, is called the SUPREMACY CLAUSE, and it clearly states that,
under every circumstance, the above listed officials in these United States
must hold this documents tenets supreme over any other laws, regulations, or
orders. Every U.S. Police officer knows that they have sworn a oath to the
people of our nation that we will not only protect their lives and property,
but, that we will uphold, and protect their freedoms and rights under the
Supreme laws of this nation, - the U. S. Constitution.

In this regard then, we must agree that those within government that restrict a
Citizens rights, (such as restricting the peoples right to travel,) are acting
in violation of his or her oath of office and are actually committing a crime
against such Citizens.


It is simple really. These laws, regulations, legislations, regarding out freedom to move about are infringing on our right to freely move from place to place without being hindered. The laws and policies in question are restricting our movements freely, by using costs and legalities that undermine the supreme law, the Constitution. therefor they are illegal with or without arbitration or interpretation.

also,

THE CLAlM AND EXERCISE OF A CONSTITUTIONAL RlGHT CANNOT BE CONVERTED INTO A
CRIME." - Miller v U.S., 230 F 2d 486. 489.


[edit on 14-3-2009 by imd12c4funn]



posted on Mar, 14 2009 @ 06:44 AM
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Originally posted by imd12c4funn


so you do the speed limit and drive to your destination. driving is a learned ability, just like riding a bike.

Once you know how, why should you have to pay and pay for all of the licenses etc...



Comparing a bike with a car is absurd, next you'll say flying an airplane is a right as well.




Sure, you need to consider others on roadways and speeding, DUI, recklessness, etc... does infringe on other's right to drive, but to be stopped for expired tabs, no seat belt, any other given reason that is not harming anyone else is just another form of extortion when ticketed, IMHO


I thought you were discussing taxes? Now you're saying fines, which is it?



posted on Mar, 14 2009 @ 06:49 AM
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Originally posted by Chadwickus

Originally posted by imd12c4funn


so you do the speed limit and drive to your destination. driving is a learned ability, just like riding a bike.

Once you know how, why should you have to pay and pay for all of the licenses etc...



Comparing a bike with a car is absurd, next you'll say flying an airplane is a right as well.




Sure, you need to consider others on roadways and speeding, DUI, recklessness, etc... does infringe on other's right to drive, but to be stopped for expired tabs, no seat belt, any other given reason that is not harming anyone else is just another form of extortion when ticketed, IMHO


I thought you were discussing taxes? Now you're saying fines, which is it?


Fines, just as inflation is a hidden tax.

what is absurd is charging us to move about.



posted on Mar, 14 2009 @ 06:56 AM
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Last time I checked there was no taxes/laws/charges/restrictions/costs involved with walking.





posted on Mar, 14 2009 @ 07:03 AM
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Originally posted by Chadwickus


Exactly!!!!

The Constitution does NOT address driving..

You can WALK anywhere you want to.

It's like people love to say they have a "Right to Vote" for President..

They don't..

Semper



posted on Mar, 14 2009 @ 07:07 AM
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a horse drawn carriage could be said to be more dangerous than a horseless vehicle.

It/they could be spooked, the buckboard or wooden wheel/hub assembly could break more often and braking from a full run could be a challenge.

Were they only walking back then?

I think not.

Did they charge to blaze westward or need a license or tabs?

A horse emmits carbon as well.

I guess back then, tea was a more plausable taxable commodity

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posted on Mar, 14 2009 @ 07:10 AM
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Look I'm no fan of the Government acting like BIG BROTHER..

The Lord knows that's true..

But it also does not help us, as citizens, to rail against those things we clearly have no standing on..

Now the Carbon Tax is another matter as I firmly believe the "Global Warming Myth" and current ecological madness is nothing more than a thinly veiled liberal attempt at greater control of the population.

We just need to argue correctly and then we will be taken more seriously on such issue..

Just My Opinion of course

Semper



posted on Mar, 14 2009 @ 07:12 AM
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Driving, yes it started with driving.
Then it become farting, talking, seeing, hearing.
Then BREATHING!
Im sorry, but im not going to stand for this.
I don't accept your laws.
You may kill me if you choose.
But you will be committing murder.
And you will have to answer for that, one day.
I would rather be me than you.


Originally posted by Chadwickus
Last time I checked there was no taxes/laws/charges/restrictions/costs involved with walking.


Last time I checked, walking involved breathing.
Am I right?
Tell me im wrong?

[edit on 14-3-2009 by BorgHoffen]



posted on Mar, 14 2009 @ 07:13 AM
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reply to post by Chadwickus
 


Off topic..
Wolverine is the baddest X-man
avatar is great



posted on Mar, 14 2009 @ 07:15 AM
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they are consolidating power, water and food. Carbon is the grand heist until...
they can control the air. The ultimate control government.

side note:
farting will be taxed as well. Ranchers beware



posted on Mar, 14 2009 @ 07:30 AM
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Now, back to the taxes, particularly carbon taxes, what if the money from these taxes went to allowing hydrogen technology to become mainstream?

Would they be acceptable then?


It's really a catch22 situation, they say they want us to drive 'green' cars but aren't helping us develop them so the average Joe can own one.

It's a tough one.

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posted on Mar, 14 2009 @ 07:35 AM
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It's been supressed for over 30 years.

If Obama was serious on eliminating petrol emissions, dump the billions into production and retrofitting, eliminate the need for much oil and the bogus carbon tax altogether.

www.youtube.com...

H20 = Hydrogen power

edit to add the word bogus

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posted on Mar, 14 2009 @ 07:38 AM
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The whole issue about oil is a cover anyway..

Between us and Canada, we have more oil than we are going to need for a century...

I intend on using it as much as I can and can afford...

I don't have a vehicle that gets over 18 MPH.. (Except my Harley and I run it hard as I can)



posted on Mar, 14 2009 @ 07:44 AM
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Originally posted by semperfortis
The whole issue about oil is a cover anyway..

Between us and Canada, we have more oil than we are going to need for a century...

I intend on using it as much as I can and can afford...

I don't have a vehicle that gets over 18 MPH.. (Except my Harley and I run it hard as I can)


I sold my gas guzzlers, but you have convinced me to look into a hummer or v-12 cabureted - duel quads, and high-flow pump, open the regulators all the way and carry a spare set of plugs...



posted on Mar, 14 2009 @ 09:06 AM
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I'm going to have an officer I know through some one else look at this article, meanwhile I'm going to print this out and spread the word by any means possible.

I advise the same for others.

Right now the problem shouldn't be worrying about safety on the roads. If someone is reckless, an officer should still legally be able to pull someone over. As it says, the roadways can be regulated for safety and convenience, but never to impose mandatory requirements or restrictions.

Right now we need all the legality we can get on our side, as our Gov. and Fed. is desperately bringing down the chains on the populace. If this can be affectingly fallowed, it will allow us to bypass a whole group of ridiculous laws and requirements they are pushing on us illegally.

Let's Star and Flag, get this to the front page.

[edit on 14-3-2009 by Scarcer]



posted on Mar, 14 2009 @ 09:14 AM
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A CO2 emissions tax is comming, the only question is when. BTW, CO2 is what we breathe out....(Just thinkin out loud....)




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