reply to post by TheMythLives
Very interesting question.
My own take on it...and bear in mind this is inevitably from a cultural perspective, as well, thats really the only perspective I can come from - so
may not be applicable, who knows
This will also no doubt be somewhat of a novel, but theres much to the background and rationale for the reply...my apologies, but a bit of background
info will also hopefully allow you to see more fully the perspective.
In my culture there are essentially four main layers to living - and in some ways non-living - things.
Tapu could very loosely be translated to 'sacredness'...yet its far deeper than that.
Tapu, as we see it, is the inherent essence...inherent value...inherent *sheen* if you will that we are born with.
Tapu also exists within other beings (living and non-living) however for this bit I'll refer to human beings to perhaps more readily explain the
The word 'tapu' is also a formation of two main words/concepts:
= to create, to shape, form, mold
= Source (in this sense, the original source, Io Matua Kore...or 'God')
then essentially means formed, shaped, molded, imbued etc...by 'God'.
...hence the inherent 'sacredness' of all things...for its a 'sacredness' that was bestowed - right from the beginning - by 'God'.
Wairua can be somewhat loosely translated as 'spirit/spirituality' etc.
Again, it is a composition:
= (in this usage) unique, special, unprecedented
= (in this usage) an abyss, a container
= The special uniqueness of you contained within. In some ways...perhaps even soul
may be somewhat applicable here.
Mauri is sometimes translated as 'life force'. Again its quite a bit deeper, and also too a compositon:
= joined, connected
= descendents, all things both seen and unseen
= our life-force, our connection to all things seen and unseen...in some ways its perhaps our 'mauri' that our 'wairua' interacts
with the seen and unseen worlds.
Bit like our senses...our hearing, vision etc.
Our Mauri is the link to it all...bit like strands of a spiders-web...when a strand is *pinged* by something moving next to or into the web those
vibrations transfer along that strand to the spider sitting in the middle receiving that vibration.
Often translated as 'prestige, authority'. Yup, you guessed it, far deeper and a composition:
= joined, connected
= breath (nana
- breathing: Ma-nana)
= To be joined to the everlasting breath. Of whom? Io Matua Kore...or our concept of 'God'.
...okay, I know I said there were four...but I'm going to also throw in a fifth as a bonus...
Can be translated to mean body. Yup, deeper, compositon:
= To be fixed, firm, held fast
= breath. Nana - breathing.
= The breath, the breathing to be held firm, to be fixed. Fixed where? Within the *body* that its being *fixed* within.
...so...whats the whole hoopla about these levels and layers and whats it got to do with the price of fish?
Essentially all living things (and some non-living) are compositions of these layers/levels. They are all part and parcel of that *being*...whatever
it is...human, animal, tree, whatever.
Tapu could be seen as like the outer shell of a thing. Bit like a Star Trek deflector-shield if you will.
Its the gleaming, shiny coating...the nice polished finish...that we were born with. A shiny polished finish bestowed by Io/God.
What does it encapsulate? Well...the rest of it below...
Wairua could be seen as possibly
soul. You. Your true essence. Though, heh, like everything its so much more than that.
Mauri could be seen as the senses, the interactive ability, the transporter of information and engagements between Wairua/Spirit/Soul/You and the seen
and unseen worlds. Maybe even like an 'aura' of sorts that radiates out, touches upon and is touched by the seen and unseen - and so acts like those
strands of the spiders-web.
Mana is the essence of power, of prestige...so hard to describe really.
Tinana - body, the vessel within which all the above resides.
Tinana isn't overly important...well it is, but in the wider scheme of things not so. I guess that perspective is more a reflection and
acknowledgement that we - us - who we truly are - is not our body.
My body can be destroyed yet I - the true me - will not die. For while my body may be part of who I am in this essence/world...I am not part of it.
The true me is the Wairua.
So...lets say that someone wishes to do me harm. And by me I mean Wairua.
They will need to strike to the core components of who I am...they will need to strike to my Mauri, Mana and thus affect the Wairua.
Firstly however, the Tapu needs to be breached. That 'outer shell' needs to be cracked in order to 'get in' and mess up the inner parts.
I won't get into specifics about how one might do that...as well...that falls a bit too much into the realms of what we term Makutu, or Curses...and
I'm not prepared to share any specific methods/info regarding those types of knowledges. Too dangerous.
...so...its about peeling off that outer layer in order to target the inner...to target/attack the Mauri, the Mana and ultimately the Wairua
However...Tapu can be breached through actions that violate the person.
For instance, a common breach of Tapu that I deal with most days in my Mental Health work is the affect of Abuse upon people.
Sexual, physical, emotional abuse etc. Those actions can certainly tarnish and crack that outer-shell and thus open up the inner to be messed with.
We may be able to assist the person is restoring their inner-self, in helping heal those inner components...however in order to ensure that healing is
sustainable that persons Tapu also needs to be restored.
How and who?
Well...for us that is left to Io/God. We see Io as being the original bestower of it...so we ask Io to also restore it.
Without that restoration what you have is a bit like a cracked glass-jar...you can refill it all you want, but eventually the contents will perish or
leak out through the cracks.
So...what has ANY of this seemingly faaaaar Off-Topic Reply got to do with your question about Trees???
Trees - particularly the very special *trees* this thread seems to discuss could well be seen to function in similar ways...with a similar essence of
If you destroy their Tinana...their physical embodiment...you may well not have in any way affected their inner. Particularly their Wairua.
If anything, you may well have just set it *free*...separated it from the physicality/locality of the bark and branches of its physical self and
effectively let it loose as *spirit*
Now - IF that Tree, that being, that essence was in some way malicious...I guess in some ways its maliciousness
may well have been somewhat
contained and confined to that area/space.
What now with the *body*, the Tinana, removed? Hey...you could have have just opened up a whole new can of free flying worms...
Sometimes its not wise to removed the lid of a container thats meant to hold things in.
The milling of the tree, turning it into timber, building something with it...will it remove its Tapu? Who knows. Or will it simply create lots of
smaller individual *containers* of the *issue* that are now just in the form of timber that has in turn become the form of a house??
I guess perhaps the question is WHAT is doing the *speaking*? Is it the physical tree, the wood itself...or the Wairua/spirit/soul that is
communicating. And possibly communicating via the Mauri component of self.
If so...if the Wairua and/or Mauri are not affected...then will it cease communicating?
My own thoughts are that if you wished it to cease communicating - though I'm not sure why, as personally I've never encountered Trees that have
been problematic, quite the reverse.
I do know of accounts of Trees that have functioned as Gaurdians of areas, and really its only those people up to mischief or who have no reason/right
to be in those areas that may experience anything negative from them...but generally speaking Trees in my culture are certainly not inherently
If you wished it to cease communicating or creating whatever effect is the issue...then I'd assume from my understanding that you'd have to also
deal with the Wairua and the Mauri of it in order for any action taken to be effective.
You would have to intervene on a far deeper level that just the physical.