Did Nazis invent the Atomic Bomb?, page 1

The "Berliner Zeitung" posted an article reporting that
the Norwegian Government has Found the wreck of a German WWII subamrine on the cost of the Island Fedje.
When the Submarine U-864 started for Japan on the 7. of Febuary 1945 in Bergen. It was sunk by the british Submarine "Venturer". You are probably thinking that this doesnt sound like anything "special", but the "SPECIAL" aspect about this story, is that the U-864 had 67 tons of Quicksiver.

link:Pressemitteilung- Bergung der U-864 (sry its German, but i couldnt find any english ones )


Now my question:
- What exactly were they doing with 67 tons of quicksilver on board?
- Why on the way to Japan of all places in the world?
- Where the heck did nazis hack 67 tons of quicksilver from?

[edit on 13/3/2009 by Pakd-on-mystery]

The sunken submarine had 67 tons of mercury on board

From the translated page HERE

At the 9.Februar 1945 the German submarine U-864 was met by a torpedo attack of the British submarine HMS Venturer. The U-864 sank about two nautical miles west the island Fedje, somewhat north of mountains. All 73 humans on board died. The load of the submarine contained among other things about 67 tons of high-poisonous metallic mercury. Since the U-864 on an employment was, it in addition a full load had weapons on board. The ship wreck is regarded as potentially lasting threat for the human health and for the environment.

No mention of atomic weapons and no mention of quicksilver.

What is quicksilver anyway?

reply to post by Barla Von

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They never were able to enrich uranium nor get a working reactor beyond the crude pile discovered in a cave by US forces. I dont think they got far.

It not thay lacked the brain power rather the material and time.

Originally posted by FredT
reply to post by Barla Von

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They never were able to enrich uranium nor get a working reactor beyond the crude pile discovered in a cave by US forces. I dont think they got far.

It not thay lacked the brain power rather the material and time.

Actually, they lacked the Hollywood know how. None of it is real...But it fooled everyone into the "cold" war....brrrrr! Oh no NEW CLEAR BOMBS ahhh....seriously though....it's not real.

Peace

reply to post by Chadwickus

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Mercury is referred to sometimes as Quicksilver actually. So it's pretty much the same thing.

Originally posted by FredT
reply to post by Barla Von

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They never were able to enrich uranium nor get a working reactor beyond the crude pile discovered in a cave by US forces. I dont think they got far.

It not thay lacked the brain power rather the material and time.

I agree with you that in the long run it was the resources and time that caught up with nazi scientists. I know that it is incredibly hard to enrich uranium, not to mention time-consuming.

You're definitely correct in saying that the german scientists did not lack the brainpower. Project Paperclip is evidence of this. The americans and soviets knew the german scientists were very intelligent.

reply to post by spec_ops_wannabe

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Makes sense.

I didn't think mercury was used in making atomic bombs though, so I'm still a little doubtful over this claim.

having said that though, my knowledge of atomic bombs is limited.

reply to post by Chadwickus

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That was my first thought as well

Anyway, I looked up mercury and atomic weapons on google and I got this site, where people seem to be discussing the same thing:

forum.keypublishing.co.uk...

Some of them seem to think that the Germans were mixing uranium oxide in with the mercury, to hide it.

reply to post by Pakd-on-mystery

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Did Nazis invent the Atomic Bomb? The "Berliner Zeitung" posted an article reporting that the Norwegian Government has Found the wreck of a German WWII submarine on the cost of the Island Fedje. When the Submarine U-864 started for Japan on the 7 February 1945 in Bergen . .

YES! The Germans actually managed to make 2 atom bombs. In fact, the Germans were so angry and disillusioned with the Japanese they sent two of their super secret long range Junkers Ju 390s which had six BMW jet engines, from a hold-out secret base in Argentina to atom bomb Hiroshima and Nagasaki in August, 1945. The rest is history, as they say!
www.ww2aircraft.net...

reply to post by letthereaderunderstand

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So Hiroshima and Nagasaki were what?

Seriously, I'm not following you.

reply to
post by ZeroKnowledge

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I think that if Nazi Germany have gotten atomic bomb - they would certainly use it. Atomic bomb is pretty much this wonder weapon - as US showed. I am sure that they did not have it (at least until it was too late). Signature. A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject. Sir Winston Churchill

I agree with you in part, Mr Z/K. They would have used it if they had it. But more likely on Moscow than on London.

The US was lucky. We had surplus electricity both in the Tennessee Valley and in the Columbia River valley. Oak Ridge was built in Tennessee to take advantage of that. Hanford was built in Washington to take full advantage of the Grand Coulee Dam on the Columbia River.

It is widely reported the Manhattan Project - the secret program to produce an atom bomb - consumed TEN PERCENT (10%) of all the electricity in the US! We refined uranium at Oak Ridge and processed it into plutonium at Hanford. We assembled the bombs at Los Alamos in New Mexico.

Based on our experience, the Germans did not have enough electricity to have diverted enough power to make a bomb. To do that would probably have required 40% of all German electric power. We managed to make only THREE bombs by August, 1945. I have heard we were refining enough uranium to make 2 or 3 bombs a year at that time. Later, when we learned how to mutate the U235 natural element - as opposed to the bomb making radioactive U238 - into plutonium, we were able to make a total of 75,000 atom bombs and hydrogen bombs over the years.

All bombs are now made and re-charged at Amarillo’s Pantex Plant operated by a consortium including Halliburton.
en.wikipedia.org...

Originally posted by FredT
reply to post by Barla Von

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They never were able to enrich uranium nor get a working reactor beyond the crude pile discovered in a cave by US forces. I dont think they got far.

It not thay lacked the brain power rather the material and time.

Actually they did lack the brain power as well. They had some good brains, but the USA had far more---many of them Europeans (including many Jews) who of course were driven out by Nazi ideology and invasion.

Heisenberg was smart, but the USA had 20-30 people at his level. The A-Bombs required not just theory but immense amounts of practical engineering, chemistry, metallurgy and experimental insights and achievements. Plus materials and money.

One of the primary issues was that Enrico Fermi figured out a key problem with graphite and neutron scattering.

Both the USA and Germans had figured out that the way to create a nuclear reactor from natural uranium required either heavy water or, better, graphite. This was from theoretical computations. But when they tested it, both sides found problems with graphite that they didn't understand. So the Germans went to heavy water which had other effects.

Fermi was sufficiently secure in the computations and had an experimentalist's practical experience to investigate further---it turns out it was a small chemical contamination from the typical way used to produce graphite which caused the nuclear problem. Once he got new graphite which was made extra-pure, then everything worked.

Probably from the German command's point of view, the A-bomb was seen (rightfully from their side) as a long-term far off project, maybe paying off 20 years in the future. If they weren't victorious before that, then it would all be irrelevant, so rocketry was emphasized more.

Captured German scientists heard about the US bombing of Hiroshima. They totally disbelieved that the US had actually constructed a working A-bomb by then, they were sure they had been in the lead when Germany fell, and they were pretty far off.

www.spacewar.com... According to this article the germans were way off making a A bomb and i tend to believe this. Funnily enough i think that the mercury was actually a fuel for a type of revolutionary type of craft which is commonly called a ufo. The proof these things were flying such as the reports about foo fighters is in my opinion overwhelming. I suspect mercury was a component of a new type of ion engine which electically vaporised this element. This is just a hunch and i was hoping somebody with a technical knowledge might give an opinion as i believe that the nazis were developing these types of craft.

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