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posted on Mar, 13 2009 @ 07:29 AM
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www.rense.com... I am posting this for the information of US gun owners. Hope it is informative to you.

Source : Rense.com




posted on Mar, 13 2009 @ 07:33 AM
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Originally posted by big gee
www.rense.com... I am posting this for the information of US gun owners. Hope it is informative to you.

Source : Rense.com


Fascinating, I wonder two things
1 How they are going to impliment it
2 If they do , how many lives will it save, currently the US loses over 30,000 of its people each year to guns.



posted on Mar, 13 2009 @ 07:46 AM
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Did I just miss it or is SKS not on that list? Also, they are still going to have to come get them.



posted on Mar, 13 2009 @ 08:05 AM
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I don't think this is the first thing that's ever been banned...and I sure don't think this will be the most successful.

Utter nonsense. Is this real? One day you hear "we aren't gonna touch guns" the next day you see this.

Make your mind up already.



posted on Mar, 13 2009 @ 08:10 AM
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Where did Rense get this information?


SM2

posted on Mar, 13 2009 @ 08:15 AM
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The SkS is listed. To reply to a previous poster..It will not save a single life. How is banning anything going to save a life? The weapons on the list classified as "assualt weapons" are a complete falsehood. All these weapons are just semi automatic weapons that cosmectically appear like thier military/ law enforcement counter parts. Apperance does not make them assualt weapons.An assualt weapon has a selectable fire rate capable of full auto and or 3-5 round burst, these are all single trigger pull, single fire semi automatic weapons. Back to the orginal question...how will banning these weapons save a single life? I would like to see a sensable, real world, verified answer to this please.



posted on Mar, 13 2009 @ 08:17 AM
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The original question is important. So is the other statement.



They still have to come get them.



posted on Mar, 13 2009 @ 08:42 AM
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Interesting You Tube link on that Rense page

www.youtube.com...



posted on Mar, 13 2009 @ 09:21 AM
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reply to post by Northern Raider
 


We would save 3 times more lives by banning cars, and physicians. So do us all a favor, and trade in your car for $50, and fire your Doctor, Oh, and quit believing utter nonsense about gun control. Guns save lives with a better efficacy rate than the medical system. The statistics on lives saved by guns are rat holed in the deepest darkest portals of media on purpose. The statistics on gun related morbidity, and mortality are exaggerated, and manipulate then plastered on the front page as "the truth" as a scare tactic.



posted on Mar, 13 2009 @ 09:26 AM
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Hello? Does anyone else wonder where this information comes from???

Did anyone notice that the author links to his site, where he's SELLING A BOOK???

Is this credible at all? I see nothing that indicates it is.



posted on Mar, 13 2009 @ 09:35 AM
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reply to post by whitewave
 


Yes, SKS with detachable magazine, is on the list.



posted on Mar, 13 2009 @ 09:39 AM
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yes, siding with the credibility of the source here as well.
they didn't mention "glock", but they do mention "pistols"... they managed to cover just about every gun out there. "shotguns", "rifles", pistols"... hmmm...



posted on Mar, 13 2009 @ 10:08 AM
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Originally posted by Binder
reply to post by Northern Raider
 


We would save 3 times more lives by banning cars, and physicians. So do us all a favor, and trade in your car for $50, and fire your Doctor, Oh, and quit believing utter nonsense about gun control. Guns save lives with a better efficacy rate than the medical system. The statistics on lives saved by guns are rat holed in the deepest darkest portals of media on purpose. The statistics on gun related morbidity, and mortality are exaggerated, and manipulate then plastered on the front page as "the truth" as a scare tactic.


So you are saying that if there was no guns in the US publics hands the 30,000 shooting deaths a year would not happen, Fascinating truly fascinating. I shall look further , lets see whats on the web
The Toll Guns Take on American Lives
GUN DEATHS – All
· In the last five years, more than 148,000 people have been killed by a firearm in America, 14,500 of them
children and teens.
· 29,569 people were killed in America by gunfire in one year, according to the most recent data, which
averages to 81 people a day -- or a person killed by a gun every 18 minutes.
· The U.S. has the highest rate of deaths from gunfire in the industrialized world.
GUN DEATHS – Children and Teens (0-19)
· 2,852 children and teenagers were killed in America by gunfire in one year, according to the most recent data,
which averages to 8 children and teenagers a day -- or one child or teen killed by a gun every 3 hours.
· Every three days, we lose a classroom of children as a result of gun violence.
· The number of children killed by gunfire in a year has been reduced by 16% in the last six years.
· The overall firearm-related death rate among U.S. children under the age of 15 was nearly 12 times higher than
among children in 25 other industrialized countries combined.
GUN INJURIES
· In 2005, there were 69,825 people injured by a firearm in America – that’s more than 191 injuries per day.
And 23% of the injuries (16,298) were incurred by children and teens.

MMM and you say if americans did not have easy access to guns these figures would still happen ???.

So I look at my own nation who has had strong ( though I dont believe its just) gun control since 1996
Now the US lost 148,000 in the last five years according to these figures, and roughly the UK last ( only have figures from 2006) 2006 210, 2005 185, 2004 191, 2003 187, 2002 193.

Ban cars and doctors you say!!! even more fascinating please tell me how many car driving and doctors deliberately set out to kill someone ?

Guns dont kill people, people kil people I know that, but allowing morons to have guns causing far more bloodshed than stoping people having easy acess to guns does.


[edit on 13-3-2009 by Northern Raider]



posted on Mar, 13 2009 @ 10:19 AM
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Originally posted by Northern Raider
So you are saying that if there was no guns in the US publics hands the 30,000 shooting deaths a year would not happen, Fascinating truly fascinating.


If you took ALL guns out of the public's hands, many deaths would still happen, with knives, bats, rocks, sticks, fists, hands and other weapons.

But let's look at the fantasy idea that banning guns actually takes them out of the public's hands... Think about that. A gun ban comes down. First of all, all the criminals don't care about a gun ban, so they keep theirs. Maybe about 80% of (previously) law-abiding citizens ALSO keep theirs, becoming law-breakers, simply because it's their 2nd amendment right. So, maybe about 20% of law-abiding citizens turn in their guns. They never shot anyone before, they were not destined to shoot anyone, they just had a pistol for home protection, so they turn it in and now have no protection.

Yes, all the gun deaths would still happen even if you banned ALL guns. Because thinking that a ban equates to taking guns out of the public's hands is a fantasy in America.



posted on Mar, 13 2009 @ 10:20 AM
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You would think Big Pharma would be backing the gun lobby. When I got shot with a 12ga 00 Magnum Buck shot in the neck and chest, the total bill was just over $750,000. 23 surgeries in all and plenty of money for doctors and pharmaceutical manufacturers.

I don't think that most people will support the ban, nor comply with its ridiculous mandates. I don't have the news article any longer, but it was a Congresswoman from Texas that was saying there is not the support in Congress to pass it. Besides that, due to the Supreme Court's ruling on the Second Amendment just recently, there are questions about the constitutionality of such a law. For all the legal mumbo jumbo, I hope they are right.

Taking into account the state of many people's thoughts on complying with anything restricting rights of gun ownership, and the States passing laws putting the government on notice to cease passing mandates to their freedoms and rights, it is going to be very interesting to see what unfolds over this issue. To me, it is just another attempt at fear mongering this administration is complicit in to get its platform passed into federal law. Fortunately, day after day more rats are jumping off Obama's sinking ship.

I know people hate clichés, but I will die a FREE MAN rather than go down the road that Stalin, Hitler, etc did by registering the guns first, then confiscate them, then roll out their real plans because the people will not be able to fight back. 98% of gun owners aren't the problem. It is the few criminals that will not abide by the law anyway. I seriously believe that most gun control advocates do not realize just how many high powered assault rifles, sawed off shotguns, and handguns are illegally sold on the streets daily by foreign nationals coming from China, Eastern Block, and South American countries.

The US military and coalition troops can't control small countries in the Middle East; do you think they would be any better in our nation’s big cities? The law is not there to protect you as many courts have said. That means you must protect yourself and your families until the police arrive which could be as long as 30 minutes. It is my opinion that the left leaning Obama gun control fanatics are delusional when it comes to what good more gun control could do. There are already over 3,000 (three thousand) gun laws on the books. Try enforcing them first before writing more laws. It is my belief that they can't enforce what they have, much less any more.
I am beginning to see the government as incompetent. After all, they are just people like every one of us, not smarter, or better, all attempts so far had either failed or had mediocre performance. I hate to use that saying, they can have my gun when they pry it from my cold dead fingers, but that is getting to resonate with me.

I don't know what is going to happen in the next 3 to 5 years, but I do feel that many of these questions will be settled once and for all, at the loss of a bunch of shed blood. Again, it is not the law abiding citizen that is the problem. It is the criminal and none of these laws bother them one little bit. They would love to see these laws passed and guns locked up. It would make their jobs much safer and they would have greater control over their victims. I hope that congresswoman was correct when said there was nowhere near enough support in congress to pass this king of bill. Want to see how gun control works? Go over the border to Mexico and meet your drug cartels or gangs and see how many of them are complying with the law.

Wake up America! Self defense is in your hands alone until the police arrive. Home invasion robberies are on the rise in all areas of the country. For the criminal it is much easier to rob a house that to rob s bank!

Gun Laws Protect the Criminals, not Law Abiding Citizens!


[edit on 13/3/09 by spirit_horse]



posted on Mar, 13 2009 @ 10:23 AM
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This is stupid.

This list is from HR 1022 that was introduced over two years ago that never got passed.

Spreading around this kind of fictitious nonsense is what makes responsible gun-owners look stupid.

In this hair-trigger world if we want to continue to have reasonable gun-ownership laws and to defend the liberties owed every living person we need to take the high road and not sling mud and spread untrue tripe like this.

Look, we all KNOW this administration doesn't like us having guns.

We all KNOW that there is a huge misinterpretation of what an assault weapon is and what it's used for.

But the biggest enemy we face is ourselves. If the people who want to take our guns see us freaking out like this and spreading outright lies then it just fulfills their skewed view of us.

Do some research and make sure what you post is true. If anyone has evidence of any 'list' or 'legislation' pending before Congress then post it so we can contact our representatives, but please stop posting this crap that just makes people upset for no reason.



posted on Mar, 13 2009 @ 10:41 AM
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Great you got stats for guns, but not cars or malpractice. Way to prove that a bunch of people die from guns. Good job. You neglected to mention that guns are the #7 on the top 10 "accidental" deaths. Here it is btw...



1. CAUSES OF DEATH 10 - 8

10. Machinery
Deaths per year: 350

We can thank the farmers of America for the inclusion of this particular misfortune as a cause of death. Between corn-huskers and wheat-threshers, is it a wonder? The reason it is last on the list is that there just aren't enough people in farming these days. Ironically, they have all been replaced by machines. Hmm accident, or deliberate act by wanton machinery? We may never know.


9. Medical & Surgical Complications and Misadventures
Deaths per year: 500

While we are incredibly insensitive people, we did not coin the term "medical misadventure"- the National Safety Council did. How is death by surgeon a "misadventure?" While we're not sure, we suspect that this number refers to elective surgeries that people undertake, such as liposuction. After all, the removal of a brain tumor is not usually considered to be an "adventure."


8. Poisoning by gases
Deaths per year: 700

There's nothing like the smell of napalm in the morning In this category, you mostly have deaths by carbon monoxide poisoning due to faulty operation of a heating or cooking appliance, or a standing automobile. We assume, however, that the noxious gasses emitted by Uncle Albert qualify too.
2. CAUSES OF DEATH 7 - 5

7. Firearms
Deaths per year: 1,500

We can thank our second amendment rights for all 1500 of these deaths; call it the "right to die" amendment. You probably don't want to know how many countries in the world do not even have "accidental death by firearms" on their top ten, or their top twenty. Suffice it to say that it's most of them. Of the 1500, you're looking at about 75% young males between the age of 14 and 25 (and getting younger every year), who unintentionally shoot themselves or someone else. For more information on the place of guns in society, click over to our pros and cons section.


6. Suffocation
Deaths per year: 3,300

Call this one the "Heimlich" section, as these deaths mostly resulted from blockages of the respiratory system by food or other objects.


5. Fires and burns
Deaths per year: 3,700

This would include deaths resulting from fires, such as smoke inhalation, falling beams, and sitting through Backdraft. Ironic that cancer is number two on the total deaths list, and a by-product of smoking is responsible for one of the top causes of accidental deaths. Are we getting the picture that this is a dangerous pastime? What kind of warnings do we have to put on these boxes, anyway?
3. CAUSES OF DEATH 4 - 2

4. Drowning
Deaths per year: 4,000

This includes all sorts of drownings in boat accidents and those resulting from swimming, playing in the water, falling in, or even having a bath. The human body is what, 70% water? And we begin our lives in a watery environment, there's lots of oxygen in water what's the deal? Something for the scientists to work on.


3. Poisoning by solids and liquids
Deaths per year: 8,600

These would be all your commonly recognized poisons, as well as such items as mushrooms, shellfish, drug overdoses, and problems with medicines-which is a wide category, and why it is so high on the list. What they leave out is things like food poisoning or salmonella, which they classify as "disease deaths" and place on another list.


2. Falls
Deaths per year: 14,900

Then we come to the America's Funniest Home Videos category of accidental death, including falls from ladders, down stairs, over curbs, off buses, into manholes, and through plate glass windows.
4. THE MOST COMMON CAUSE OF ACCIDENTAL DEATH

1. Motor vehicle crashes
Deaths per year: 43,200

The winner, by a ridiculously huge (and ever-increasing) margin is: death by car wreck. Head on collision, sideswipe, single-vehicle smash-up, full car rollover, pedestrian takedown, choking on own carsick vomit, spontaneous combustion-the fun never stops for car owners. Try air travel instead; it's much safer. Do you see it anywhere on this list?


The 1,500 for guns is the "accidental" portion. The other 28,500 (approximate average) is from people being shot intentionally by criminals. If this fool Obama decides to ban guns from all the legal owners, he will only save the lives of 1,500 per year. However, that 28,500 by criminals, will EXPLODE. Reason being is that while we have no guns, we are easy targets. If you think that a gun ban will stop gun crimes, you have a LOT to learn. EVERY country that has banned firearms has seen a rise in gun crimes. It has never failed.



posted on Mar, 13 2009 @ 10:53 AM
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" Do some research and make sure what you post is true. If anyone has evidence of any 'list' or 'legislation' pending before Congress then post it so we can contact our representatives, but please stop posting this crap that just makes people upset for no reason. "


Sorry emsed1. I am not from the US and thought this was a new development. I did not intend to upset anyone.



posted on Mar, 13 2009 @ 10:57 AM
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Originally posted by Sliick
reply to post by Northern Raider
 


Great you got stats for guns, but not cars or malpractice. Way to prove that a bunch of people die from guns. Good job. You neglected to mention that guns are the #7 on the top 10 "accidental" deaths. Here it is btw...



1. CAUSES OF DEATH 10 - 8

10. Machinery
Deaths per year: 350

We can thank the farmers of America for the inclusion of this particular misfortune as a cause of death. Between corn-huskers and wheat-threshers, is it a wonder? The reason it is last on the list is that there just aren't enough people in farming these days. Ironically, they have all been replaced by machines. Hmm accident, or deliberate act by wanton machinery? We may never know.


9. Medical & Surgical Complications and Misadventures
Deaths per year: 500

While we are incredibly insensitive people, we did not coin the term "medical misadventure"- the National Safety Council did. How is death by surgeon a "misadventure?" While we're not sure, we suspect that this number refers to elective surgeries that people undertake, such as liposuction. After all, the removal of a brain tumor is not usually considered to be an "adventure."


8. Poisoning by gases
Deaths per year: 700

There's nothing like the smell of napalm in the morning In this category, you mostly have deaths by carbon monoxide poisoning due to faulty operation of a heating or cooking appliance, or a standing automobile. We assume, however, that the noxious gasses emitted by Uncle Albert qualify too.
2. CAUSES OF DEATH 7 - 5

7. Firearms
Deaths per year: 1,500

We can thank our second amendment rights for all 1500 of these deaths; call it the "right to die" amendment. You probably don't want to know how many countries in the world do not even have "accidental death by firearms" on their top ten, or their top twenty. Suffice it to say that it's most of them. Of the 1500, you're looking at about 75% young males between the age of 14 and 25 (and getting younger every year), who unintentionally shoot themselves or someone else. For more information on the place of guns in society, click over to our pros and cons section.


6. Suffocation
Deaths per year: 3,300

Call this one the "Heimlich" section, as these deaths mostly resulted from blockages of the respiratory system by food or other objects.


5. Fires and burns
Deaths per year: 3,700

This would include deaths resulting from fires, such as smoke inhalation, falling beams, and sitting through Backdraft. Ironic that cancer is number two on the total deaths list, and a by-product of smoking is responsible for one of the top causes of accidental deaths. Are we getting the picture that this is a dangerous pastime? What kind of warnings do we have to put on these boxes, anyway?
3. CAUSES OF DEATH 4 - 2

4. Drowning
Deaths per year: 4,000

This includes all sorts of drownings in boat accidents and those resulting from swimming, playing in the water, falling in, or even having a bath. The human body is what, 70% water? And we begin our lives in a watery environment, there's lots of oxygen in water what's the deal? Something for the scientists to work on.


3. Poisoning by solids and liquids
Deaths per year: 8,600

These would be all your commonly recognized poisons, as well as such items as mushrooms, shellfish, drug overdoses, and problems with medicines-which is a wide category, and why it is so high on the list. What they leave out is things like food poisoning or salmonella, which they classify as "disease deaths" and place on another list.


2. Falls
Deaths per year: 14,900

Then we come to the America's Funniest Home Videos category of accidental death, including falls from ladders, down stairs, over curbs, off buses, into manholes, and through plate glass windows.
4. THE MOST COMMON CAUSE OF ACCIDENTAL DEATH

1. Motor vehicle crashes
Deaths per year: 43,200

The winner, by a ridiculously huge (and ever-increasing) margin is: death by car wreck. Head on collision, sideswipe, single-vehicle smash-up, full car rollover, pedestrian takedown, choking on own carsick vomit, spontaneous combustion-the fun never stops for car owners. Try air travel instead; it's much safer. Do you see it anywhere on this list?


The 1,500 for guns is the "accidental" portion. The other 28,500 (approximate average) is from people being shot intentionally by criminals. If this fool Obama decides to ban guns from all the legal owners, he will only save the lives of 1,500 per year. However, that 28,500 by criminals, will EXPLODE. Reason being is that while we have no guns, we are easy targets. If you think that a gun ban will stop gun crimes, you have a LOT to learn. EVERY country that has banned firearms has seen a rise in gun crimes. It has never failed.


If your argument was anything but daft the US would be a safer place per 1000 of population than the UK, the US lost 150 ,000 people in the last five years, the UK lost about 1100. So if guns make your nation safe you should have equal of lower deaths to guns than the UK. We have 6 million people and lost 954 citizens to gun violence in a five year period, so the US has a population 5.3 times the size of the UKs so your figures should be 5056 deaths for the same period. You in fact killed over 100,000 in that same period, your theory does not hold water.

Slick BTW dont forget I am also a pro gun supporter, but iold enough and wise enough to know something has to change.

[edit on 13-3-2009 by Northern Raider]



posted on Mar, 13 2009 @ 12:22 PM
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Originally posted by Sliick
The 1,500 for guns is the "accidental" portion. The other 28,500 (approximate average) is from people being shot intentionally by criminals. If this fool Obama decides to ban guns from all the legal owners, he will only save the lives of 1,500 per year. However, that 28,500 by criminals, will EXPLODE. Reason being is that while we have no guns, we are easy targets. If you think that a gun ban will stop gun crimes, you have a LOT to learn. EVERY country that has banned firearms has seen a rise in gun crimes. It has never failed.


I agree with you completely. That ~28,500 figure also needs to be broken down further. About 17,000 of those are going to be suicides.

'But vor, if we ban guns, all of those suicides will be prevented.'

I doubt it. Nearly 33,000 people in the US commit suicide every year. Again, barely half involve the use of a firearm. It certainly suggests that the vast majority of those remaining 17,000 would simply find another means to do it if guns were banned.

As for the 12,000 or so firearm-related homicides yearly, again, we also have to ask how many do *not* involve firearms. The answer is about 6,000. So roughly 1/3rd of all US homicides do not involve the use of a firearm, again, suggesting that many perpetrators would simply find another means of killing.

Finally, as for all those 'children' dying in firearm-related incidents of all types, most all of them are over the age of 15. In 2005, 3,027 people ages 19 or under were killed with firearms (suicides, homicides, accidents...all intents). Of those, only 404 were 14 years old or under. That figure is cut in half if you drop the age bracket to those under the age of 12. The point is, most of these really aren't 'children' in the sense that the anti-gun types want you to believe. They're teenagers and young adults. A good number of them are going to be involved in criminal and gang activity. Not all of them, but a significant number.

Indeed, by contrast, 1,952 children ages 14 and under died in car accidents in 2005. That figures grows to 6,781 if you take the bracket up to age 19.

Perhaps we should ban cars, too. For the children, of course.

All of these fun facts are available for free, courtesy of the CDC.

[edit on 13-3-2009 by vor78]





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