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Originally posted by heliosprime
They ignore Jesus actual teachings and his example. So many pray to false gods, worship idols, ignore the commandments, ignore the true holydays. And these are just those who call themselves christian.
Originally posted by Safandjaro
When burned in the fires of hell my consiouness would seize to exist and with that the complete reality of the universe, God, present and past.
"But I would still exist" you probalbly say, but since I cannot observe that anymore, I cannot comfirm that.
Originally posted by letthereaderunderstand
Hell wasn't even made up until the dark ages. Hell is from the same word as Cell literally.
You are exactly right. Truth is what is known, not unknown....what is unknown can not be termed, because it is UNKNOWN.
O.E. hel, helle "nether world, abode of the dead, infernal regions," from P.Gmc. *khaljo (cf. O.Fris. helle, O.N. hel, Ger. Hölle, Goth. halja "hell") "the underworld," lit. "concealed place," from PIE *kel- "to cover, conceal, save" (see cell). The Eng. word may be in part from O.N. Hel (from P.Gmc. *khalija "one who covers up or hides something"), in Norse mythology Loki's daughter, who rules over the evil dead in Niflheim, the lowest of all worlds (nifl "mist"), a death aspect of the three-fold goddess. Transfer of a pagan concept and word to a Christian idiom, used in the K.J.V. for O.T. Heb. Sheol, N.T. Gk. Hades, Gehenna.
Originally posted by Titen-Sxull
reply to post by heliosprime
The problem with all this is that the Bible is completely open for interpretation, many of the prophecies are vague, where some see one meaning, others see an entirely different meaning.
My issue with the whole end times business is the fact that a supposedly loving God is essentially going to allow the majority of mankind to be slaughtered mercilessly via plague, war, famine, death, etc. Doesn't it seem easier for an ALL-POWERFUL God to swoop down and save EVERYONE, or is He incapable of saving everyone, in which case he is NOT all-powerful.
None of it makes sense and all if it is open to personal interpretation, though I certainly agree there is no real Biblical basis for a pre-tribulation rapture... Doesn't really matter though, most human beings will die in horrific agony (and, if the Bible were true, burn for eternity in a lake of torrential flame), but most Christians are just fine and dandy with that, and apparently God is too.
Yes despite the fact GOD IS LOVE he will still allow the horrors of Revelation to happen and sentence billions to Hell, it all makes so much sense
By this all men will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another. John 13:35
originally posted by heliosprime
The "pre-tribulation" rapture is a one way ticket to hell
But he gives us more grace. That is why Scripture says:
"God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble."
Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cummin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.
Originally posted by Holly N.R.A.
I am curious....you say people ignore the "actual" teachings of Jesus? Then you quote the book of Matt. from the Bible. Didn't Paul write the book of Matt.?
Most of the "actual teachings" of Jesus were never included in the "modern" Bible.
You also comment on the "True" holy days. Please tell me what the "True" days you refer to are, considering that the holy days celebrated by Christians, are actually based on the Pagen Wheel.
BTW, those of the old religion do not worship idols, but they do see how everything is connected spiritually...and many keep the "commandments" naturally, without need of constant reminding like many Christians.
Originally posted by FlyersFan
There is no such thing as a pre-trib rapture.
There is no 'get out of suffering free' card.
That notion is completely unscriptural.
The rapture cult was started by Nelson Darby in the 1800s.
He was a failed Anglican Priest when he started the cult.
'He who endures until the end is saved.'
Originally posted by Titen-Sxull
reply to post by jd140
Can you name a sin great enough to warrant ETERNAL punishment. I cannot, for the life of me, think of a crime terrible enough to deserve eternal fiery damnation as it is spoken of in the Bible. Even Hitler, often thought of as the worst person in history, doesn't deserve ETERNAL punishment, perhaps a lifetime of punishment for each life his followers took, but there is nothing JUST whatsoever about any of the punishments spoken of in the Bible...
Revelation also deals with the deaths of billions of human beings who are otherwise innocent normal people, and their deaths are often brought on by horrific plague, famine and war. These painful horrifying deaths likely followed by infinite eternal Hell cannot be the "justice" of a God who IS LOVE. So lot's of good people will be subjected to this horrific eternal punishment just because they believed differently, or questioned what they were told in Sunday School...
Sorry, it makes not one lick of sense...
Originally posted by korath
It's all pretty confusing, What exactly is the absolute minimum you can do and still be saved? Even if people go to church and say they believe in Christ they still commit sins, do you have to re-repent every time you sin again? (lie, gossip, impure thoughts, and the like.) Or is saying you believe in Christ and doing the best you can going to be enough. I know people who say their Christians but they still have a sinful nature, albeit a lesser one.
21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Originally posted by mysticalzoe
No I don't think there will be a rapture, I think many people will be disappointed, and lose their faith in God, if there really is a God. That's a whole other discussion. My 2 cents.
21For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Originally posted by SS,Naga
reply to post by speaknoevil07
No offense, but I hate to see someone with an open heart and mind having their 'Cup' so overfilled with 99.99% BS.
Got a bible? cover it with swill, and feed it to the pigs: they love it. Trash.
[edit on 14-3-2009 by SS,Naga]
37But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.