If you are ever put into the situation when you have to shoot another human being or beings, are you doing it without hangups, reserve, or moral take-twos. Are you going to take care of business to protect you and yours. What if it is one of yours, what if it's your own kid pointing a gun at you, what then. All these shootings that are taking place, scare the living crap out of me. I don't want to shoot anyone but I know I am able to do it if need be, to protect life, no hesitation. I have lost friends to violent deaths, as well as suicides, but when it comes time to protect your life, I don't think there is time to hesitate, or try and talk someone out of it. Sadly, I would pull the trigger first, I want to live.

[edit on 12-3-2009 by backyard guru]

If it was my kid that pointed at me.....I would just swallow the bullet. But anything else, I wont think about it. I might not sleep another night in my life knowing I took sombodys child, mother, father, brother, sister.
But If me or my family are at risk yes I could pull the trigger.

I couldn't kill anyone, unless it was to protect my family. If it was just to protect me... No i couldn't. Obviously, if this other person feels that he needs to kill me, all i would feel for them is saddness.

Cherry

well what if your kid was shooting at your other kids?

I agree with you 110% on this.
The only thing i know i will have a problem with are the demons that haunt you afterwards.
Regardless of who it is whose life you take, a normal joe like you or I (im assuming you are, and if you arent....) there are nightmares, sweats, visions, and sometimes even worse things like voices of the dead.
Although i dont think we would be thinking of that at that moment, i wonder how lomg it would take for them to come.
If it came to me or my children, i would give in to them.
It would have to be a "do me when im not looking"agreement, or let me fall asleep an kill me. Ive lived a while, they havent.
And regardless of how much will to live i have, i cant see myself pointing my glock at them, let alone aiming.
Or pulling the trigger.
My girlfriend would have to decide for me, somehow, who would live, if it ws her or I.
As in who would better care for the children, who is injured, etc.
Wow, its so creepy to even have to think this stuff.
Think imgonna have a hard time sleeping tonight....

I know its creepy, and the reason im digging into this is because i seen that video about obama conscripting our own children from junior high age today to join his homeland defense organization, also all the shooting, the one with the man in alabama, he shot up all of his remaining family, mom , cousins and so forth, if one family member could of , would of tried to stop him, he wouldn't have shot so many family members, now they are all dead. Since the first rock was raised against another human in anger or greed or whatever reason, territory maybe, we have been hitting , stabbing , smashing, choking, killing eachother, we cant seem to take the violence away from the world, I just always see one of these shooting stories and in the back of my mind I always catch myself saying if only one of them had a gun, they could of stopped this, is this crazy to think this way, or is it the true reason gun ownership is a benifit for lawful citizens, to be able to stop some nut whos shooting people on a spree...

Ahh you really pushing me lol. This is a touchy subject really.
My kid threaten death to my other kid.
Shoot me first please.
I could not imagine the pain of seeing my own seed take the breath from his/her bro/sis
I been under enough after the past few days then I opened this thread and BAM!
I am already a nervous wreck going into town. (I live in a small town in North AL.)
I really could for me or my family but brother killing brother ouch.
i know it happens all the time, but I havn't thought about it.

Yes its a great discussion topic, ill give you that one. already starred and flagged before i replied.
What movie are you referring too? i only watched a little less than half of the new aj/obama deception. is it in that one?
If not, could you pass on the name, or linky please? sounds very interesting.

I think the movie in refrence is the Obama deception. If not I would like to lknow myself. I watched it last night and there was a spot where the kids would be part of homeland defence, to build a stronger civlian army or something.

In the movie about obama, links to the movie for download is on rapidfind.org if you want to watch it, in that show they point out how in fassist states of government they teach the kids, like the german fairbahne to betray their parents to the government and teach them military training, making them mini soldiers faithful to the state as a weapon to use against anyone who would challenge that state.

ok,I downloaded it so if it gets ripped i can still watch it.
Not to go off topic on purpose here, but did any of you get a chance to see the New American Century movie before it got pulled from the net? so real and intense, ill tell you straight out that i was on the verge of anger-tears. hard to imagine, 6ft, 205lbs, covered with tats and piercings with my eyes welled up in front of the monitor.
Gripping movie.
And im really gonna pay attention to the rest of the obama deception movie.
Ill bet this thread really tears off in the late am tomorrow. im on the east coast, and its getting a little late.
Or id expect a bit more response here.
Id expect a few more s&f posts tomorrow.
Good night, and good luck,
Ill be back tomrrow, peeps!

I understand the tears and tattoos sentiiment, IM 300 and have lost it too thinking about how this country has been chopped up and sold to the highest bidders, Have a good night, smile, cause there two of us that give enough thought to stand up, if we throw a tea party it will most probally be with southern comfort and were not throwing it in the sea...

late...

Wow, great thread.

I have never killed a human. I used to hunt. I can kill. Not sure if I could kill a human. I suppose if the threat posed itself to my family, and I had the means, I would. (spasms of passion and "heat of the moment" decisions don't lend themselves to this discussion) I suppose I could opine that the rational and correct M.O. would be to recognize and defensively navigate oneself away from these situations to begin with. To quote a recent, and successful ad campaign, "life comes at you fast!".

With that in mind, we, collectively(and individually), have an imperative to survive. If this imperative is threatened by some gun wielding goon (or the scion of our loins-heaven forbid!), then the only rational option left to us is to "squeeze and pray".

The prayers could be for the dead. They could be for our mortal souls. They could also be for leniency or non-discovery of our crime (such as it is!).

But here's the crux:we all reap what we sow. If you've been neglecting your parenting, nuptial, familial, or civic duties.....you will pay. In other words, if you have foregone your parenting duties by leaving your child in the care of others (compensated OR NOT-state sanctioned OR NOT-Oprah approved-OR NOT), if you've neglected your family for the pursuit of gain (The kids will forgive me when the inheritance clears....Don't they understand I work my @ss off?..Just 2 more Madoff's honey...), if you've removed yourself from the local civic dialog ( who gives a rat's @ss about the "local", "state", or "federal" funding for project "X-Y-or-Z""
, or who will pay for the break 'I' get today). You (or your progeny) will pay. It's not necessarily apparent how yet, but karma has a way of "deploying assets as necessary".

Karma: it's a big wheel!

If you find yourself in this boat....please try to refrain from imposing gun control on the rest of us. Also, remember....(not to be callous).. your lack of planning and preparation does not constitute my emergency. However... if your lack of planning and forethought precipitates an emergency situation for me and my family... I will respond.

With Love, from MA.(TAXACHUSSETTS, FOR THE SLOW ONES) Gramafaloon

Disclaimer: I'm a theist but not of the Abrahamic faiths. I have minor biblical scholar and scriptural skills. Also I am not a scientific/legal or medical expert in any field. Beware of my Contagious Memes! & watch out that you don't get cut on my Occams razor.All of this is my personal conjecture and should not be considered the absolute or most definitive state of things as they really are. Use this information at your own risk! I accept no liability if your ideology comes crashing down around you with accompanying consequences!

Explanation: I have absolutely no worries or concerns about killing anybody including myself as I'm Professionally INSANE! RE: Highly functioning Psycopathic Sociopathic Paranoid Violent Schizophrenic for past 20 years on Government pension! [No its NO JOKE! ]. I just spent 3wks in a local asylum due to homicidal tendencies [onset of acute prodromal stage of my illness due to issues to do with medication and all triggered by the Arsonists who started fires in Victoria [my g/f lost many friends and she herself had to double her depression medication and take 2wks off for stress leave! ]] and I was seriously going to hunt and take down my targets with extreme prejudice [think along the lines of flaying somebody alive with a blunt wooden spoon!] and this would of resulted in suicide by cop as I'm never going to prison ever! Luckily I called the cops on myself before I went all tropical.

CAVEATE: I must have a [IMO] VALID reason [i.e. it must be easily explained and follow a high level of logic but it can be completely unreasonable from the POV of HUMAN laws...I operate at the level of UNIVERSAL LAW that sez HUMAN LAW "DOESN'T PROTECT YOU AT ALL...IT JUST PUNISHES THE ""CRIMINAL"" AFTER THE FACT!"...care to dispute this?

For example....I hold that BOTH my parents have MURDERED ME ALREADY by their actions in creating me as both mortal [death sentence] and vulnerable [callous disregard for me personally] and this is a FACT created by them both when they both SHOULD have know BETTER [university trained DAMNIT!!!]...Now I could hold this against them and previously I have and have acted on this with deadly intent as I chased my mum around the house at age of 15yrs old with a large butchers knife and a meat cleaver with the aim of slaughtering and eating her! So killing anything for me is easy peasy. I just need a really good reason! Please don't give me one OK!

Personal Disclosure: I seriously don't advocate that anybody follow my example! But if you do then please be a real man and call the cops on yourself like I did. It can do wonders for your machismo!!!

Edited to Star and Flag the OP.

[edit on 13-3-2009 by OmegaLogos]

Originally posted by backyard guru
All these shootings that are taking place, scare the living crap out of me.

It might help ease your mind to know that "all these shootings" are actually very few and very far between. There is no epidemic of gun-related death in America, although the American Medical Association and Centers for Disease Control have tried to convince lawmakers that such an epidemic exists.

Please keep in mind that our American press also sensationalizes gun violence far beyond any actual threat to the population. If you want a more objective perspective on gun-related death in America, you need look no farther than the U.S. Census, which compiles many arcane and interesting statistics on death in this country.

According to the U.S. Census, only about 1% of all fatalities (deaths due to mishap or assault) can be attributed to firearms. That's not 1% of the entire population, that's 1% of those who die by other than natural means. So, of all the people who are accidentally or intentionally killed every year in America, only 1% die by gunshot.

Here's where the U.S. Census puts things in perspective: Only 1% of fatalities in America are due to firearms. You are 5 times more likely to die by suffocation with a plastic bag over your head. You are 40 times more likely to die in a car wreck.

So, do plastic bags scare the living crap out of you? Knowing what you know now, will you stop driving your car? Well. Of course not.

Like airplane crashes, gun-related deaths get a lot more press than they deserve, and the hysteria-driven press is intended to frighten you. That's because those kinds of deaths are at the extreme end of our imagination. That's what makes them newsworthy, because they are so sensational and out of the norm. I mean, as horrific as a jetliner crash may seem, flying is still the safest way to travel — a hell of a lot safer than driving your SUV down to the grocery store, in fact. So, like airplane crashes, gun-related deaths are blown out of all proportion in the press, creating the illusion that the threat is far greater than it actually is.

But hold on, let's take this a step further.

Do you realize that over 80 million Americans legally own some 220 million firearms? That's 220,000,000 guns, emphasizing the zeros. This is a greater number of firearms than many, many combined military forces. The United States military doesn't have even a tenth of that firepower.

A tenth of that firepower — only 22 million guns — could overthrow all of Central America and Canada in one afternoon, if the guns were all pointed in the proper directions. We are talking about American citizens privately owning the largest arsenal that the world has ever seen. American citizens, if sufficiently motivated, could overthrow whole nations by force of arms.

Yet. Yet, only 1% of all fatalities in America are gun-related. How is it possible that a population so heavily armed is at greater risk of suffocating with plastic bags over our heads??

The answer is simple — the vast, vast majority of American gun owners are intelligent, educated, and tolerant. We know our firearms, we know our rights, and we respect the law. We're not hot-heads, we're not trigger-happy, we're not hicks and racists and hillbillies and all the other pejorative terms thrown at us by the anti-gun movement.

We are going to be the last ones standing, I can promise that — not because we own and use guns, but because we have backbones.


— Doc Velocity




[edit on 3/13/2009 by Doc Velocity]