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Topic started on 12-3-2009 @ 08:42 PM by rich23
I recently came across this site - The CIA Internet Fakes and was keen to have a look at it. I try and stay alert to the possibility of disinfo and am therefore keen to see what other people think.

I was very, very disappointed, so much so that I thought I'd post a thread alerting people to what I think is the most egregious piece of disinfo I've come across since 911Myths. The site claims to be "exposing the NWO" but when you look at it, all the sites it accuses have good information, and all the information the editor, Finian Dunne, posts, treats government pronouncement like Holy Writ. It's pathetic.

I have a few rules of thumb when it comes to disinfo.

  • Governments almost invariably lie
  • things don't always make sense if you don't have all the puzzle pieces
  • checking facts is always good
  • good sources will often be subject to attack if they're really on the money
  • over time a good source will tend to stay trustworthy but
  • occasionally even the best sources may be fed disinfo and fall for it.


Over time I've built up a sense of where the good information is to be found. And this site attacks a lot of people I find to provide particularly trustworthy reporting and cogent analysis.

Supposedly, the purpose of the site is to expose the CIA Internet fakes whose agenda is to
-- To leverage the Fakes into position as the leadership/spokespersons
for the 9/11 skeptics movement.
-- To splinter and divide that movement.
-- To promote lame, tame and/or booby-trapped questions about 9/11.
-- To be sufficiently over-the-top as to prevent the 9/11 issue getting
any traction in the media or left-wing.
-- To ensure that the movement would not have a politically-active
leadership capable of turning it into an effective political lobby campaign.


This is actually a perfect description of the site's own function. Check out the very next paragraph:

The questions about 9/11 were bound to be asked, the important
aspect for the perpetrators was and is ...by whom?


No. The important thing is that the questions ARE being asked. It doesn't matter if you think, as I do, that Alex Jones is a bit of a blowhard who needs to stop screaming and talk a bit more calmly and rationally. Either what he says makes sense, or it doesn't. Sometimes, with him, it does: sometimes I disagree.

But the point is, the paragraph I quoted above tries to shift attention from the evidence itself to ad hominem attacks.

That's a sure sign of disinfo.

As far as Alex Jones is concerned... there are people out there who say AJ is a Zionist tool because he doesn't accuse the NWO of being Zionist. There may be a Zionist connection: there may not. I don't see it that way myself, and I don't see it as being, necessarily, relevant. The main thing is that he does expose a great deal of what is happening.

But this thread is NOT a defence of AJ. If you look at the site, you'll see a huge list of sites that Fintan Dunne smears as being CIA fronts. These include many sites that I personally trust FAR more than Alex Jones.

For example, co-operative research/the history commons (as it's been renamed) is one of the best things about the internet. It has evolved into a huge resource site where people have put many, many puzzle pieces together to form a fantastic resource for those who wish to research 9/11 and other matters.

There are many other sites accused by Fintan Dunne... and the thing they all have in common is that they expose information that TPTB would rather didn't come to light.

One such is Daniel Hopsicker's Madcow Morning News, a site that has been particularly strong on exposing CIA drug deals. Many threads on this site owe a great deal to Mr. Hopsicker's reporting, and one thread in particular, about five tons of cocaine found aboard an aircraft with CIA connections, inspired the kind of collaborative effort that occasionally makes this site worth wading through all the moronic posts for. It's here.

Hopsicker's site comes in for attack because he was very diligent on following up on Mohammed Atta's flight training at Huffman Aviation in Venice Fla. He scooped an interview with Amanda Keller, Atta's ex-girlfriend. I saw the original, which lasted quite some time, and was pretty much convinced that she was basically a pleasant girl, not incredibly bright, who had seen and described things that chip away at the usual 9/11 myth about fanatical hijackers.

Dunne has seized on the fact that, a little while ago, Keller (after being interviewed by, if memory serves, the FBI) retracted her story. Firstly, this doesn't wash with me - it looks more like she was pressured to retract than anything else.

Secondly, to then accuse Hopsicker (only one among many others) of being a CIA disinformant is, to put it mildly, incautious. His track record speaks for itself.

As does the "CIAInternetFakes" website.

There most certainly are sites out there that do all of the things that are described in the list I quoted above.

And CIAInternetFakes is definitely one of them.

Mod Edit: All Caps – Please Review This Link.

[edit on 23 Mar 09 by Gools]


reply posted on 12-3-2009 @ 09:16 PM by RFBurns
reply to post by stikkinikki



Might want to watch your typing of profanity there, purposely evading the board foul language censor is against the T&C.



As to the subject of websites being disinfo sites, heck thats been known to be a fact since the early days of BBS boards.

It is just now, there are lots more of it.


Cheers!!!!


reply posted on 12-3-2009 @ 10:17 PM by Southern Guardian
reply to post by rich23



My opinion on disinformation agents is that they are very individuals folks here reference their information off of. Disinformation agents will all of sudden agree with you on a number of things then will secretly sneak in some of their messages that they usually wouldnt say seperatly. Folks seem to think disinformation agents are those who oppose these theories of "fema camps, 9/11, NWO" when in actual fact they will agree completely and even promote these conspiracies in an effort to better gain respect and so in turn get their messages through a way of stealth.

Fox news, probably the most well known disinformation agents and news outlets are really showing the stuff of legends when they successfully have gotten many in the ATS community into trusting them meanwhile carrying their own agenda while at it.

Whats the best way to distract people? You agree with them on the conspiracies they believe in but then you go so far as to add in other elements to the story to the point where people start seeing them as just plain whacko and inaccurate. I have my own opinion on whats disinformation and what offers truth... at the end of the day it is up to us to decide whats true and whats not... and it is our responsibility to maintain an open mind while we are at it. Disinformation agents are an inevitability, nothing we can do about, nothing to warn off people... the only thing we can do is to think in an object manner and realize the scope of the story without the little bits added to it over time.




reply posted on 12-3-2009 @ 11:35 PM by ProfEmeritus
reply to post by rich23


It certainly looks like you had already made your mind up, concerning Fintan Dunne's site. Why don't you present some of Fintan's research and detailed reasons for placing people like AJ on the list. Your "criteria" completely misses what Fintan uses as criteria.
Here is a shortened 9 minute Youtube concerning AJ, cut from an hour and a half explanation of why AJ is a disinformation agent.



As I said to you on the thread where this was posted, disinformation agents do NOT always lie. If they did, it would be easy to label them as such. On that thread, AJ claimed that a document from the Missouri State Police Criminal Analysis Unit said that Ron Paul, Constitution Party supporters, and Libertarians were terrorists.
The document DOES exist, and is legitimate.
HOWEVER, the document does NOT say that those mentioned are terrorists.

The truth is that the document does exist.
The lie is that the document does not claim that those people are terrorists.

This is a typical disinformation scenario- lies based upon some truths.


As to truth in advertising, you should have included Fintan's explanation of what he considers a CIA fake:
www.breakfornews.com...
The CIA Fakes is a catchphrase term to describe a group which includes: -- Covert Operatives of the CIA, NSA and DIA; of the U.S. Corporate/Military Industrial Complex; of the intelligence services of U.K. Spain, France Holland, Germany, and Russia. -- Political Agents working within the Democratic Party, Republican Party, Democratic Black Caucus, Green Party, and Patriot Movement. -- Politicians in the U.S., U.K. Spain, France, Germany and Russia --who pose as 9/11 skeptics. -- Media, including Mainstream, Alternative Media and Internet broadcasting media who either front for, cooperate with, or are directly employed by intelligence services mentioned above.


In addition, he says:

Note: We do not contend that everyone associated with these websites are knowing intelligence operatives. Some have been professionally manipulated, others merely misled. In any event these are promoting the psyop agendas and disinformation themes of the covert controllers. This is also not meant to be a fully comprehensive listing of all the fake websites.


Personally, I have no skin in this game. However, I find it hard to believe that one day after finding out about his site, you can make a call that he is a disinformation agent.

You say:


and all the information the editor, Finian Dunne, posts, treats government pronouncement like Holy Writ. It's pathetic.


and yet, in his site, he states:

Given the number of assets deployed in support of the 9/11 operation, and the operational requirements of the 9/11 attacks themselves, their origin is now clear. 9/11 was not carried out by some 'rogue group,' nor was it a fully official US Government-sanctioned operation. But it was orchestrated by the highest levels of the US Military and military-industrial complex; on behalf of the national and international politicians, corporates, and moneyed interests. It had, and still has the full support of the US Military/intelligence apparatus -who control much of the alternative media and the 9/11 movement.


That certainly doesn't sound like he is accepting the government explanation of 9/11 as "holy writ", does it?


reply posted on 13-3-2009 @ 02:30 AM by Exopolitico
reply to post by sir_chancealot



That's right Sir Cancealot,

I always wonder the same. Why do some people act so surprised? Perhaps they are the disinformation agents themselves. Remember, intelligence depended on secrecy. When that didn't work alone, they recurred to disinformation agents to obfuscate, derail, divert, ridicule, etc.

It's part of their game!


reply posted on 13-3-2009 @ 04:04 AM by EarthShine
Daniel Hopsicker's book

WELCOME TO TERRORLAND - Mohamed Atta and the 9-11 Cover-Up in Florida

is a complement to his video, Mohamed Atta and the Flying Venice Circus

Both are a MUST READ and MUST SEE.

A friend who owns a book store has read thousands of books - when he picked this one up, he could not put in down and stayed up til 3 am to finish it! I did the same.

Daniel had intended to write a book after he produced the video:

THE BIG FIX: 2000

about the stolen election... and the influence of the Mob, Mafia, gambling industry and touch screen voting machines he uncovered after scouting through Georgia, Nevada, Louisiana, Florida, New Jersey, etc.

BUT then 9/11 happened, and that provided a fertile ground for some serious muckraking. SO, instead, he wrote WELCOME TO TERRORLAND and made the FLYING CIRCUS video.

Daniel's parents had lived in Venice, FL, for 25 years so he knew the scene in Venice
and was able to get right over there after 9/11 to do interviews and secure some of the real story before the hush up occurred.

M. Atta was a drug using, hard liquour imbibing kind of guy - I wont tell you what he did to the kittens of his girl friend.

The book was published by TrineDay.com and is available from them or from Daniel
at MadCowPress.com

Hopsicker has a unique ability to be upbeat and retain a sense of humor in the dark world of conspiracy think. The whole nine yards of information is akin to a theater of the absurd or black drama popular in the last century....
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