"Zionist Conspiracy Theory" = Black Propaganda

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posted on Mar, 13 2009 @ 07:34 AM
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Originally posted by radio_for_peace
How you made moderator on this forum is beyond me, except that you've infiltrated this website as a poser. You're a complete joke.


Admit it, you`re actually on my side and your task is to make opposition to the OP look silly.

Look at mybigunits posts. At least they make an attempt at sincere rebuttal.




posted on Mar, 13 2009 @ 07:35 AM
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Originally posted by vcwxvwligen
That Jews look out for their own is no secret. It's also not a secret that Jews tend to break from their customs as long as there is money to be made.

So does that mean it's now okay to say things like .... Blacks look out for their own. It's no secret. They cover for each others crimes. They will break with their own as long as there is easy money to be made because we know they are all lazy.

That's okay to say now, right? *sarcasim*


Catholicism was engineered by the same people who engineered Zionism.

God engineered catholicism. It's been here 2,000 years.
It started when Christ picked Peter to head His church on earth


Originally posted by branty
That little piece of land has been growing in the last 40 yrs at the expense of the Palistines.

Then the so called 'palestinians' can all go back to Jordan and Egypt.
Arafat was egyptian. The former King of Jordan said that the so called
'palestinians' were all Jordanians.


That piece of sand was given by the UN to whom Israel has turned their noses at many times since

Someone turns their nose up at the UN? GOOD! It's a corrupt cesspool.


Originally posted by branty
Jew hatred is more widespread as you state because the State of Israel is doing hateful things.

Yes ... trying to live in peace in their tiny spit of land ... trying to live without terrorist attacks ... trying to defend themselves.... trying to keep Iran from 'wiping Israel off the map' .... it's all just so 'hateful' of them.


FUNNY side note - I saw posts saying that the Catholic Church and Freemasons were engineered by the same people who engineered zionism. Newsflash - those two entities have been at war for centuries. It is an offense punishable by excommunication in the Catholic church to belong to the Freemasons.
You guys are funny.


immediate edit

[edit on 3/13/2009 by FlyersFan]



posted on Mar, 13 2009 @ 07:42 AM
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What's the rebut? You do a good job of discrediting yourself. There's no need to rebut anything. First, you're an Israeli-apologist, when even basic mathematics shows time and time again that Israel murders disproportionately against Muslims. Then you deny that zionists, both x-tian and jews, funded hitler. That is basic common knowledge among conspiracy theorists. Even initiates know that. To top it all off, you threaten to sue someone for libel just for expressing their opinion on ats. That is just mindblowing, and a moderator should never resort to such low-class tactics. I'm going to report you to the higher-ups, and I hope others do as well. I want you stripped of moderator.



posted on Mar, 13 2009 @ 07:43 AM
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Originally posted by Skyfloating

I had a friend once who lent me all this conspiracy-literature on Jews and the Bolshevik Revolution, Jews and the Federal Reserve, etc. etc. I've read almost all the literature.

Did the Rothschilds fund two sides of wars?
Yes, it appears so.

But after awhile the conspiracy-theory goes to absurd extremes. "The Jews funded Hitler so that he would exterminate the Jews so that they could gain power. The Jews sacrificed themselves".

Sorry, but before buying into a view like that I need to see better evidence than just hearsay.


I find it ironic a guy or gal on ATS is saying if its not spelled out for me clearly then it cant be true or correct. Sometimes my friend you have to put 2 and 2 together to get your answer. It is a fact Hitler was funded by the Jewish banking cartel even after they knew of his mass killings. They werent stupid they knew two things could come of this. They were either A. Hedging their bets if Hitler won the war he would let them keep control of the international banking cartel. I happen to highly doubt this theory but it could very well be this theory. Or B. Allowing the slaughter and funding to happen would give them great leverage to continue on with their world domination plans. I mean lets face it when you look at the crisis we are facing today with the banks and you saw how fast we the people had to fork over trillions of dollars to them. Is it that far fetched to believe that the bankers arent controlling the world right now?





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You posted links to Jew-Watch to defend your idea that the media is in total control of Jews.

Instead of links to that questionable site, could you explain in your own words how "Jews control the media"? Lets start off with the strongest piece of media today: The Internet.




Dont look at the site name look at the content. No doubt that site has some off the wall stuff but I recommend you look at the links I gave you then look at the facts. No "legitimate" site as you put it is going to spell out that info for you because if they do they will become "illegitimate" sites. The facts are the facts however you can choose to do one of two things. You can turn a blind eye to the facts just because they are posted on a site like that or you can look at the facts and make your own assumptions on those facts. If there are things that are not true that I gave you from that site please let me know for if what they say is not true I will not reference their site again. What say you?


Edit to add: I just saw the Internet comment I missed it the first time. Lets talk about the internet. Give it time the internet will be censored for it is already being talked about in government. The internet is the last area of true free speech we have on this earth. I mean lets face it a hot subject like this really cant be talked about openly on any main stream media for someone like me would be labeled a bigot or an anti semite and immediately discredited and ridiculed. Some people just refuse to look at facts and that is because before the internet people didnt have the ability to transfer information like we have now. It gives everyone an open platform to speak their mind and debate instead of waiting for people like Oreilly or Olbermann to talk about hot button issues like this. But as government and elitist lies becomes more and more clear and the threat of the power structure becomes inevitable they will shut down the internet. I give it 5 to 10 years before this happens.

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posted on Mar, 13 2009 @ 07:48 AM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan



Originally posted by branty
That little piece of land has been growing in the last 40 yrs at the expense of the Palistines.

Then the so called 'palestinians' can all go back to Jordan and Egypt.
Arafat was egyptian. The former King of Jordan said that the so called
'palestinians' were all Jordanians.


That piece of sand was given by the UN to whom Israel has turned their noses at many times since

Someone turns their nose up at the UN? GOOD! It's a corrupt cesspool.


Originally posted by branty
Jew hatred is more widespread as you state because the State of Israel is doing hateful things.

Yes ... trying to live in peace in their tiny spit of land ... trying to live without terrorist attacks ... trying to defend themselves.... trying to keep Iran from 'wiping Israel off the map' .... it's all just so 'hateful' of them.





Why should the Palestian's have to go ANYWHERE? I thought as was posted the Israeli's wanted to get along with everyone and are peaceloving.

The UN is not a perfect system, I mean it did give land to the Israeli's .

When did Iran try to wipe them off the map, and your definition of "defending" is the reason for the widespread hatred of the Israeli"s


PERSONAL SIDE NOTE; I can just see Skyfloating cringing at your postings, you and your "insightful" replies only add credence and fuel to further hard feelings,



posted on Mar, 13 2009 @ 08:18 AM
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Ok lets find out what we agree and disagree on and debate from there.

First off from what I gathered you do believe Zionism does exist you just dont feel it is for world domination its just for a Jewish state ie Israel is this correct?

Next from what I gather you do not feel the Jews control the banking, media, or entertainment industries is this correct?

Now would you agree or disagree that the banking cartels are really the ones who pull the strings and wield the power here on earth in comparison to our actual governments?

Edit to Add BTW I know Father Luke Duke will be showing up anytime now. I look forward to continuing my debate with him


[edit on 13-3-2009 by mybigunit]



posted on Mar, 13 2009 @ 08:29 AM
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Originally posted by branty
Why should the Palestian's have to go ANYWHERE? I thought as was posted the Israeli's wanted to get along with everyone and are peaceloving.

I said they should all go back to Jordan and Egypt. Israel didn't say it.
I did. And yes, Israel just wants to be left alone without any terrorist attacks. They even handed the Gaza to people in a peace effort - just to have the insane terrorist attacks continue against them.


The UN is not a perfect system, I mean it did give land to the Israeli's .

The UN is a corrupt cesspool.


When did Iran try to wipe them off the map,

Iran THREATENED to wipe them off the map.


your definition of "defending" is the reason for the widespread hatred of the Israeli"s

Defending is defending. There is no 'my definition' of it. Israel is defending itself against terror attacks ... against threats to have them wiped off the map ... against homicide bombers ... against daily missile strikes from the Gaza ...

You claim that Israel defending itself causes those nitwits to hate them.
If that's true then the 'palestinian' terrorists are even bigger morons then I thought. Isreal defending itself has translated into a reason to keep attacking ... oh that's brilliant. NOT. :shk:


I can just see Skyfloating cringing at your postings, you and your "insightful" replies .....

Me and my VERY insightful replies are just fine.
You are off topic and making personal insults.
Grow up and get on topic.



posted on Mar, 13 2009 @ 08:42 AM
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I wish people could get past petty stereotypes and bigotry as well as blind allegiance. IMO, there is something to this theory but any real discussion or investigation inevitably gets derailed by rhetorical tactics and social and/or professional repercussions.

I think this thread is very eye-opening and important, though it got lost in the shuffle of the forum board:

www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Mar, 13 2009 @ 08:50 AM
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First of all that is a widely misquoted remark you're using as an ad hominem against Iran.
("Wiped off the map" or "Vanish from the pages of time" translation

Many news sources repeated the Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting (IRIB) statement that Ahmadinejad had demanded that "Israel must be wiped off the map",[5][6] an English idiom which means to "cause a place to stop existing",[7] or to "obliterate totally",[8] or "destroy completely".[9]

Ahmadinejad's phrase was " بايد از صفحه روزگار محو شود " according to the text published on the President's Office's website, and was a quote of Ayatollah Khomeini.[10]

According to Juan Cole, a University of Michigan Professor of Modern Middle East and South Asian History, Ahmadinejad's statement should be translated as:

The Imam said that this regime occupying Jerusalem (een rezhim-e eshghalgar-e qods) must [vanish from] the page of time (bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad).[11]

According to Cole, "Ahmadinejad did not say he was going to 'wipe Israel off the map' because no such idiom exists in Persian". Instead, "He did say he hoped its regime, i.e., a Jewish-Zionist state occupying Jerusalem, would collapse."[12] - en.wikipedia.org...)
Secondly, Israel has threatened to wipe Iran off the map many times.
In fact Israel has threatened to be able to nuke the entire world.

You claim Israel is such a peace loving little country why did they attack the USS Cole in a false flag terrorist event? Why have they been caught spying on the U.S. constantly? Why did they murder THOUSANDS of Palestinians (mostly children and women) in COLD BLOOD after a few errant mortars hit non populated areas in Israel?

Skyfloating, NO ONE here agrees with you, you are just digging your own hole further and further and tarnishing your image as the true secret zionist-supporter/apologist that you are.
Your stories of 'visiting Israel' have no merit and mean nothing. Big deal you visited Israel and found that they are peace loving people. No one said that JEWS are by nature bad people, I lived and worked in Boro Park the Jew capital of the world (brooklyn) and I found most of them to be respectful/respectable, does that magically preclude a Zionist conspiracy? Only a child's mind thinks this way, how old are you Skyfloating? You don't seem to be well educated at all.
I'm just glad that your continued disgusting threads have ruined any chance of you ever being taken serious by future ATS'ers because you are now famous on ATS for being THE proverbial Zionist puppet and disinfo agent.



posted on Mar, 13 2009 @ 08:55 AM
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Originally posted by mybigunit
Is it that far fetched to believe that the bankers arent controlling the world right now?


No its not. Its far-fetched to claim that "the" Jews or "the" Zionists are behind it all, including their own extermination. It really is.



If there are things that are not true that I gave you from that site please let me know for if what they say is not true I will not reference their site again. What say you?


According to that site (which I am well familiar with), everything is a zionist and/or jewish Plot and everything is under control.

So lets keep this simple: If that were the case, why was the total-free-speech zone called The Internet even allowed to be.

Is there some secret long-term trickery behind that too?

Cmon man.



Ok lets find out what we agree and disagree on and debate from there.


I think conspiracies, cover-ups and the striving for world domination DOES EXIST. But not by one single group rather by many competing groups. And I believe that in order to "hurt the competition" the "zionist world conspiracy theory" was created. Which puts Jews in the worst light possible.

Who benefits from that? Whoever else wants total domination. The three abrahamic religions strive for that, compete with each other for that. Both Christianity and Islam (just like Judaism) strive for dominating or converting. Governments strive for more power and expansion. Since the U.S. seems to be ahead in the game it gets accused of evil the most often. By who? By others who wish to gain that kind of power.

Civilzation: Interlocked in a competitive game for Control.



First off from what I gathered you do believe Zionism does exist you just dont feel it is for world domination its just for a Jewish state ie Israel is this correct?


The conventional definition of Zionism is that, yes. What I do not buy is the one-sided belief that "Zionists are the cause of it all. They control media/banks/entertainment/everything". If you look beneath the propaganda you see hundreds of different groups competing for control.




Next from what I gather you do not feel the Jews control the banking, media, or entertainment industries is this correct?


Correct. And neither do I believe that power automatically equals evil.




Now would you agree or disagree that the banking cartels are really the ones who pull the strings and wield the power here on earth in comparison to our actual governments?


I would agree that banks have more power than the general populace is told, yes. But at the end of the day, in the competitive game called life, power is distributed over many and not centralized to one enemy-image called "The International Jew".

In fact, quite the contrary: If there is any real world-conspiracy happening it is more likely they very source of beliefs in some singled-out "enemy".

Lets see what Father Duke has to say.



posted on Mar, 13 2009 @ 08:55 AM
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Originally posted by radio_for_peace
I'm going to report you to the higher-ups, and I hope others do as well. I want you stripped of moderator.


So this is how it goes:

Person A says: "You were paid to write this"
I say: "Thats libel"
Person B says: "Im going to report you! I want you stripped of moderator".

You go right ahead and report me. But I fail to see how any of this helps your case? Its just making you look like someone who is unable to address the facts and must cover that up with deflection.



posted on Mar, 13 2009 @ 09:00 AM
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Read that post against using a sarcastic voice, it might help. The poster is just being very sarcastic and stating things they feel contradict the idea that a zionist conspiracy is just propaganda.



posted on Mar, 13 2009 @ 09:05 AM
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Originally posted by branty
PERSONAL SIDE NOTE; I can just see Skyfloating cringing at your postings, you and your "insightful" replies only add credence and fuel to further hard feelings,


No. Im cringing at the fact that nobody has actually disproven the claim of black propaganda as it pertains to the "Protocols".

All I am getting is "who cares who wrote the Protocols".

And who cares that several wars have been based on them, right?



[edit on 13-3-2009 by Skyfloating]



posted on Mar, 13 2009 @ 09:08 AM
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posted on Mar, 13 2009 @ 09:13 AM
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this thread is about the Zionist Conspiracy Theory being Black Propaganda. It is not about skyfloating. It is not about any one individual.

Again, the topic at hand is Zionist Conpiracy Theory - is it Black Propaganda?

If you cannot discuss this topic, do not post. If you feel the need to discuss individual posters, do so silently as we do not attack the poster here, we attack the topic.

Carry on.



posted on Mar, 13 2009 @ 09:29 AM
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I don't know who wrote the protocols of the elders of zion. I just don't know. I actually read it though, and it is shocking how true it is. Honestly I think that Zionists just don't want people to read it, and are waging a propaganda campaign to keep people from reading it. Just like the propaganda campaign they have successfully waged against the Arabs. Just like the one they waged to promote the Jewish holocaust against all the other holocausts that occurred during WWII some of which were much worse than the Jewish one.

-The Chinese holocaust (caused by the Japanese) was extremely bad.

-The Japanese holocaust (caused by the U.S. and allied forces) involved nuclear holocaust.

-The Russian holocaust (caused by axis forces)

-The French holocaust

-The British holocaust



The list keeps on going.

I have no sympathy for Israel. They have attacked every single one of their neighbors at least once between 1948 and now. They need to learn to get along with their neighbors instead of attacking them and taking their land. The genocide caused by Israel is totally horrendous, and it makes me sick when all the news is spun to make Israel look like they are the ones getting "holocausted" again, when they are the ones using Willy Pete on civilians, including children. What they did to Lebanon in 06' was a horrific holocaust. What they did to Gaza recently was a holocaust.



posted on Mar, 13 2009 @ 09:32 AM
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Israel is such a peace loving little country why did they attack the USS Cole in a false flag terrorist event?

Now this is new one for me. USS Cole also Israeli job? Well - then start with Pearl-harbor then. Or Alamo!
By the way - even if you were correct (which you are not - few mortars? Thousands of rockets with each carrying kilograms of explosives and shrapnel, with civilian casualties in Israel) and Israel does very very bad stuff - what it has to do with world control and such? If Israel was a headquarters for world-controlling money-controlling media-controlling gang then surely Palestinians would no longer be a problem, don't you think?
So what Israel and its problems have to do with who supposedly runs the world? Because Zionism is about Jewish national homeland, in Israel. Period. It is not about anything else. The fact that it is being tied into one knot with all the other "traditional" labels aimed to hurt the Jews shows who really stands behind it all. Israel does bad stuff - criticize it. Not "Jewish bankers". Current financial system upsets you - criticize it, not Zionism. These are not interconnected. Unless of course you don't need them to be interconnected since it does not really matter anyway.
On a general note - i never heard that Franklin speech. But a quick search on the net showed me that there is no source. And first it started circulating in 1930s by American Nazi. I have really huge problem trusting it all. Maybe i am missing the point and there is a real ,pre-1930s Nazi propaganda source that can be validated?
Also i found out that Franklin donated money himself for building synagogue in Philadelphia and called for people of all the confessions to share. Kind of problematic with his alleged "speech". Also i am not a great linguist , but i just opened two other speeches by mr Franklin - and the language used is different.



[edit on 13-3-2009 by ZeroKnowledge]



posted on Mar, 13 2009 @ 09:34 AM
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Originally posted by Skyfloating
No its not. Its far-fetched to claim that "the" Jews or "the" Zionists are behind it all, including their own extermination. It really is.


Ok so if its not far fetched to think the banks run the joint in which I feel they do. Where we differ is you dont think the imperialists run the banks whereas I do hence by proxy run the world. I dont think the Jews/zionists are behind it all per se. I think a lot of wars and theft via the banking interests are started and caused by the banking interests. As far as it being far fetched to believe the ends justify the means then I guess history is one big conspiracy because there are many countries, civilizations, and religions who have sacrificed their own people for the greater good of their agenda.



According to that site (which I am well familiar with), everything is a zionist and/or jewish Plot and everything is under control.

So lets keep this simple: If that were the case, why was the total-free-speech zone called The Internet even allowed to be.

Is there some secret long-term trickery behind that too?

Cmon man.


What I mean by facts are as follows...
Are the people in charge of the banks and international cartels they list true or false?

Are all the people and corporations they show controlling the media and entertainment industry true or false. Once again they take the facts and make assumptions. They assume a Jewish conspiracy where is you may look at those facts and assume otherwise but it still does not change the facts on the ground and this is who carries the big stick so to speak in these industries. Once again if the people listed are not true then please let me know for if they are putting people and corporations on their site that really do not represent the entities we speak of then I will not reference their site.



I think conspiracies, cover-ups and the striving for world domination DOES EXIST. But not by one single group rather by many competing groups. And I believe that in order to "hurt the competition" the "zionist world conspiracy theory" was created. Which puts Jews in the worst light possible.

Who benefits from that? Whoever else wants total domination. The three abrahamic religions strive for that, compete with each other for that. Both Christianity and Islam (just like Judaism) strive for dominating or converting. Governments strive for more power and expansion. Since the U.S. seems to be ahead in the game it gets accused of evil the most often. By who? By others who wish to gain that kind of power.

Civilzation: Interlocked in a competitive game for Control.


This here we can agree on. I think all races, religions, and groups have their wanting for world domination in one way or another. I just feel the Zionists if you will have a huge lead in the pack in the power that they have controlling the above which is why I focus on them. On that same note the Vatican is not far behind. I feel they wield a lot more power than is known. In fact I sometimes wonder if there isnt a secret alliance between the Vatican and the Zionists.....






Correct. And neither do I believe that power automatically equals evil.


Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. I dont care who has the power they will not use it for good means forever which is why all empires fall.





I would agree that banks have more power than the general populace is told, yes. But at the end of the day, in the competitive game called life, power is distributed over many and not centralized to one enemy-image called "The International Jew".

In fact, quite the contrary: If there is any real world-conspiracy happening it is more likely they very source of beliefs in some singled-out "enemy".

Lets see what Father Duke has to say.


And I wont leave out that it might just be greed and not some grand conspiracy. Ive said this before on other threads also it might be just greed and one big coincidence about controlling interests in the above. I tend to not think things just happen though. If that was the case I wouldnt spend anytime on a conspiracy site
I happen to feel things are planned and agendas are drawn up. The question is who is the man or group behind the curtain and to me the banking cartel is the group of the day. The theft that has taken place because of these thugs is reprehensible. Yes I like Father Luke Duke and do hope he comes on. Me and him like you and I can have a debate on these issues without it turning into a hate brigade on both sides. We can present facts and make our own assumptions with those facts. Nice thread.

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