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Originally posted by neformore
What you'd actually be doing is pandering to the crassly-put forward image of a religious stereotype, put forward by cultural and religious bigots solely for the purpose of offending a whole host of people - deliberately - for the sake of doing it, because not all of those people who are followers of Islam see things the way that these protestors did. In other words you'd be no better than the people you are condeming here. Two sides of the same coin.
Originally posted by neformoreAs for the phrase "pathetic dark ages morality and beliefs" - that can be applied to any religion.
Originally posted by neformoreAnd if they were born in this country - then what? Why do you assume they have "come" here?
Originally posted by neformore
And what of the white folks of various religious denominations who are British people and condemn this country outright - where do we send them home to?
Originally posted by neformoreDon't you think the "sending home" rhetoric is kind of pathetic, considering we live in a country that has been systematically populated by Celts, Romans, Saxons, Vikings and Normans?
And yet you are not condemning their opposite number, but protesting their right to disrespect your countrymen. While I am not saying this is not an intrinsic human right, I just find it strange how you would play devil's advocate so unevenly.
Originally posted by neformoreSorry, but you're just trying to imply that I have sympathy with something I clearly do not have. Nice try, but futile.
Originally posted by neformoreThese people have a right to say what they want to say, providing they do it peacefully. If they choose not to act in a peaceful manner, or in a manner that is inconsistent with the law of this country, then the law of this country should be enforced. If the law is enforced and they are found to be guilty, they should be either - in the case of British nationals - imprisoned in accordance with the law OR, in the case of foreign nationals, deported back to their home nations.
Originally posted by neformoreThat is the British way. Not knee-jerk stupidity. Anyone who doesn't see that can get on a boat and go home. To Germany. Or Norway, or Italy or France.
Originally posted by stumason
Citing litter and tidy gardens as a sign of national pride is dubious, at best.
Originally posted by stumasonIn rural England,... English pride alive and well.
Originally posted by stumasonMedieval England through to the Second World War and everything in between, spending a whole term on each period.
Originally posted by stumason
reply to post by Ownification
Mutiny and refusal to fight is very rare in the British Armed forces, owning mainly due to the long history of professional volunteers as opposed to conscripted citizens. You would not see any soldier refuse to fight, not because of a fear of punishment, but from a professional pride and a sense of honour towards their comrades.
I know they are volunteers, but they signed up to defend the realm and serve Her Majesty. They sign up for a career and training that the forces offer. You will be hard pressed to find a volunteer who signed up to "kill towel heads" or "murder babies", as put by the protesters. They do not get to choose their deployment and may well disagree, but as stated above, professional pride and the esprit du corps in the British Forces (which is probably among the highest in the world) will see them do their duty.
Originally posted by mr-lizard
Originally posted by TheAmused
What is going on over there in UK?
If this happen here in America we would have shot em on the spot..
So from now on all Uk need not talk about how cowardly Americans are.
www.foxnews.com
(visit the link for the full news article)
No we'll just relate you to violent psychopaths who have no way of dealing with any challenge apart from shooting them.
-- In regards to the issue at hand: These hate preachers although i disgree with what they have to say, they DO have the right so say it....
But i'm glad the crowd reacted the way they did... Show them that we disagree with their opinions.
Originally posted by ModernAcademia
Originally posted by 44soulslayer
reply to post by Ownification
All I can say is-
When you join the armed forces, you swear an oath to queen and country.
Only a pathetic excuse for a man would violate that.
Wow, what a slave mentality
If people aren't a slave like you they are pathetic?
LOL, I don't think so!
Tell me, how can this world change for the better when there are so many like you who support corruption?
If a war is corrupt, and you know it, but still say it's wrong not to fight after giving an oath..... how does this planet even stand a chance?
Originally posted by Mintwithahole.
!/ If a British soldier was ordered to jump off a building by a superior they most probably would do without question. They don't question their superiors they just do as ordered.
Originally posted by Mike_A
Originally posted by Mintwithahole.
!/ If a British soldier was ordered to jump off a building by a superior they most probably would do without question. They don't question their superiors they just do as ordered.
Of course, if it was a bungalow.
Originally posted by Mintwithahole.
Doesn't matter if it's a bungalow or a block of flats! If the average British soldier is ordered to do something he does so without question.
Originally posted by Mintwithahole.
You seem to have a very warped idea of what the army is all about!
Originally posted by poet1b
The people who mocked this British soldier who gave his life defending freedom, freedom for a people in a foreign land no less, are either extremely ignorant, or supporters of murder themselves. Chances are that most of the people mocking this soldier who fought the good fight are simply ignorant. Those few who are not ignorant, but willful supporters of the enemy, and these Muslim extremists are our enemies, are traitors and deserve to be taken out and shot.
War isn't pretty, it isn't nice, but we (as in all people who believe in freedom and equal rights for all, including women) are in a war against radical Islam.