Originally posted by flybynight
SonicInifinity congratulations on successfully derailing the thread with your pompous and arrogant declaration of what it is that you expect. Why don't you let the thread run its own course. Nobody has any obligation to take the time and painstakingly document every little thing, obviously!

Edit for: It's interesting that you call for people to document whatever they bring up and then end your post by bringing up how you felt certain parts were corny w/o documenting which parts you specifically thought were corny.

Anyway I'm hoping for some good research to come out of this thread too but the way you phrased that and the tone you used really rubbed me the wrong way.

[edit on 12-3-2009 by flybynight]

I think the tone was nice. She wasnt demanding, she was only asking. I also agree with Sonic. In fact i dont really follow AJ to much myself. But i dont claim him to be false or disinfo. Anyways, I could say you both have points. The only problem is that Sonic isnt attacking and you are.


Peace!

Do people still really listen to Alex Jones!? I mean I used to untill I relized how crazy this guy is, I bet if it was a slow news day he would make up something off the top of his head to feel in the gaps. I'm not against what he's doing at all and I do agree with him on alot of points, but their needs to be a more serious all together different person out their with the bull horn, anyone but Alex Jones.

One thing he's great for is taking quotes out of context and twisting them all around to make you believe what he believes, and no i'm not going to point it out and be specific because that might take all day. But seriously some people fall so hard for it.

[edit on 3/12/2009 by Uniceft17]

[edit on 3/12/2009 by Uniceft17]

Originally posted by Uniceft17
One thing he's great for is taking quotes out of context and twisting them all around to make you believe what he believes, and no i'm not going to point it out and be specific because that might take all day.

Predictable.

One or two quotes of the kind you are referring to should not be so hard to locate and post here for us to see, nor will it take you 'all day' to find them...

*Please point them out and please be specific as to how Alex Jones has the capability to "make you believe what he believes," .

Thanks in Advance!

[edit on 10/20/1941 by Exuberant1]

Originally posted by Uniceft17
One thing he's great for is taking quotes out of context and twisting them all around to make you believe what he believes, and no i'm not going to point it out and be specific because that might take all day. But seriously some people fall so hard for it.

You said it, so I don't have to. Some people fall so hard for the propaganda... Because they "want to believe".

What I find so funny about all this is the way people's minds work. There's a clip of boys doing some sort of drill and everyone (everyone who "wants to believe" that is) thinks that somehow Obama is behind it. Like he ordered it, or suggested it or somehow even KNOWS about it. That's just stupid. It's conspiracy thinking unrestrained by logic and skepticism.

Like this:

Originally posted by s4dreamlnd93
It shows how he wants to set up an Obama youth like I pointed out in this thread, with the videos.

Bold by me. Yeah, Obama wants to set up an "Obama Youth". Just because some kids did a drill doesn't mean Obama had ANYTHING to do with it. But you"want to believe" it. So you do... And you repeat it as though it's truth. Wouldn't Alex Jones be proud.

Originally posted by Exuberant1
*Please point them out and please be specific as to how Alex Jones has the capability to "make you believe what he believes," .

Look, AJ put this film together precisely to make YOU agree with him. If you fall for the out of context quotes and the spooky conspiracy music; if you swallow it hook line and sinker as so many on this thread do, then it's no one else's job to convince you otherwise. You have the power to look up these things for yourself. It's YOUR responsibility what you choose to believe.

If people are gullible enough to play right into what AJ wants, then why should anyone try to talk you out of it? Believe what "you want to believe". But I challenge each of you to look at this "deception video" (what an appropriate name) with what's called a CRITICAL eye instead of wanting it to be "true".

Look into what Rahm said. When did he say it? What was the context? I know. Do you?

Conspiracy unrestrained by skepticism and logical thought is the fringe lunacy. For those who "believe everything in this video", congratulations goes to Alex Jones. Because he handed you the cup and you slurped his Koolaid just like you allege Americans have been hoodwinked by Obama. Look in the mirror.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Bold by me. Yeah, Obama wants to set up an "Obama Youth". Just because some kids did a drill doesn't mean Obama had ANYTHING to do with it. But you"want to believe" it. So you do... And you repeat it as though it's truth. Wouldn't Alex Jones be proud.

Just my opinion but, if a bunch of white children were doing that and quoting Bush's campaign promises in a uniform and making such hand gestures the Internet world would be awash with neo-nazi conspiracies. I personally do not know what to make of it but when I see things with my own eyes and hear him talking about a "Civilian Defence Force" I have to wonder.

Everyone is entitled to question and think about things for themselves and point out whatever they desire.

Do you think that nothing in that video has any merit what-so-ever?

I find many things questionable and some downright laughable but I will remain my questioning self.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
If people are gullible enough to play right into what AJ wants, then why should anyone try to talk you out of it? Believe what "you want to believe".

Indeed.

Certain things are not a matter of opinion or belief, things such as The Patriot Acts 1 & 2, PDD-51, the John Warner Defense Authorization Act, the John Yoo Torture memos... all of which exist.

Belief is not required.

What is required is that you take the time to read and understand the purpose and meaning of the contents above documents, memos and acts.

*If people are gullible enough to believe that these things do not have an impact on their lives or affect them, then into who's hands are they really playing themselves?

[edit on 10/20/1941 by Exuberant1]

Great video.

I wrote Obama and said this..

I wonder why most of the cabinet is comprised of people reported to be attendees of the 2008 Bilderberg group, CFR members, and Trilateral Commission members?

I thought that this was supposed to be the administration of change. How can this administration possibly hope to change anything with these huge special interest lobbyists in high power positions?

Also how can we possibly change anything in this country when the people in charge are the same exact people that perpetrated this crisis to begin with? How is it that we are supposed to effect change in this government when the people in charge are the same people that directly caused this problem?

I had thought that this government was supposed to work for the people. It is becoming obvious that this government has no intention to work for the very people that elected them, but for the federal reserve, wall street, and special interest groups.

The wall street bailout was supposed to free up credit, that has not happened, the stimulus package was supposed to stimulate the economy, thus far little has gone to anyone, few projects are in the works. I doubt seriously that many projects will be funded through this stimulus package. Those that are obviously are "shovel ready" projects that are short term solutions to a long term problem.

Mr. President, we cannot stop gap the problems facing the greatest country in the world. This crisis has its roots in secret societies, secret meetings, and a dictatorship behind closed doors. If you want to effect real change in this country. If you want to be the president of change (of who you campaigned to be) you must expose these people for who they are. You must expose the lies and make accountable those that have robbed you of any real power in the presidency. You must expose those that truly run this government. You must expose those that want to take the greatest country in the world and turn it into a state not by the people and for the people but by the wealthy and for the wealthy.

Time was long ago the president worked for the people. Time was long ago the office of the president was the office that protected the constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic. Well Mr. President. The enemy is in your house. The enemy is in your economy. The enemy is working to enslave your people. Mr. President don't let our country fall to those that wish to destroy us from within.

Many people, rich and poor counted on you Mr. President. Many people took a risk on you Mr. President. You promised real change in this country. Please let that change be for the good of all the people and not just for the few that wield real power in this nation.

Your children and my child are counting on this administration to effect real change. We want to be free. Let us the American people be free. The status quo as it stands no longer can stand. Those that wish to destroy this country are doing so inside your own administration. Those that are the true enemy of freedom and democracy do so not out of caves in Afghanistan or out of Iran, but within your own administration, within the federal reserve bank. Within the special interest groups that use the almighty dollar to influence votes in congress.

Change we can believe in Mr. President would be to show the American people those lies that enslave them. To expose those who wish to destroy this great nation, and to call on all people great and small to act to preserve the constitution. To force through their elected representatives to return this country to the values that our founding fathers envisioned. Of a free and open society. One that upholds the rights of mankind, those that fights against tyranny.

I doubt that you will read this, but by chance you do, I hope that you respond, not to me, but to the people that elected you through your acts as our president.

Free your people Mr. President.

I doubt that he will even read it or care but hey it's what I can do right?

he makes many interesting and convincing points. just one thing really bugs me about him: he reminds me of the films of hitler, the way he practically yells everything, picks specific points to repeat over and over, and has as his focal point at least one of the same groups that hitler used as his rationale for change. problem was, the guys who were really responsible for the trouble escaped completely unscathed while 6million jews, 10 million christians, and several million soviets (wonder what the soviet issue was...probably some group the big guys in the soviet gov wanted to get rid of) were slaughtered to "fix the problem." naturally, those people had nothing to do with the problem. this much is clear just from watching the video and reading about how this world of high finance global domination works.

i dunno. i need to think about this a bit more. something just doesn't smell right.

Originally posted by Common Good
My question is how do you get everyone to wake up tommorow morning and unite together, you cant.

I would say this, A movie written by the watchowski brothers addresses this in such a way to make you think if this type of thing could be considered possible or even somewhat plausible. All I have to say is V for Vendetta. Start with a symbol. Give that symbol meaning. Get that one symbol everywhere (Major Publicity). People will talk. The rest is in the movie. Just how far you would take it is up to you.

[edit on 12-3-2009 by born2BWild]

Only got time to watch the first 7 minutes but it looks awesome. Really interesting psychology too, kicking off with an African Amerikan who isn't under the spell.

The arguing and bickering on this thread is unimportant, the point is that the video gets seen. Every post on this thread, whether an intelligent point or some dumb COINTELPRO nonsense, bumps the thread and keeps it on top of the pile.