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Increased chem-trails and sickness in your area?

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posted on Mar, 12 2009 @ 05:41 AM
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reply to post by Chaos Lord
 


What type of sickness is going around in your area? I have lived in Maine for 6 months, and on nice sunny days haven't seen one chemtrail, which I guess is good for us. That doesn't mean sickness has not gone around. The end of last year, we all suffered from the stomach flu. Then this year, it's been earaches, and a severe cold. Then again when I lived in Southern NH I saw tons of chemtrails everyday, and I was rarely sick?




posted on Mar, 12 2009 @ 05:43 AM
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Originally posted by Zaphod58
reply to post by ChemBreather
 


Yes there is a room full of us that just sit around all day waiting for these threads.


Or wait, maybe it's the many many years of experience I have with aviation telling me that the things that are pointed out as "sprayers" are nothing of the sort by many people that don't know anything or very little about planes.


Hehe, ok, but I dont believe you no matter what you claim, you can never tell me my eyes are lying to me, it will not work. Sorry ..
Tell what this is ? lasted for many many hours, the trail hdent moved in two hours, and look what it does to the sunlight...No Contrail.




posted on Mar, 12 2009 @ 07:37 AM
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Well when you see a plane incomming in the atmosphere with no "contrail" behind it than all off a sudden a thick line of of what looks like CLOUDS or chemicals dump out of it you have to wonder. If it was truely a contrail it wouldn't start mid atmosphere.



posted on Mar, 12 2009 @ 07:44 AM
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Contrails can start any time the atmospheric conditions are right. They can also start if the plane was flying at a lower altitude and was climbing and got into the area where contrails are forming. I've even seen contrails stop and start repeatedly, because they went through areas where contrails were forming, into areas where they weren't, then back into areas where they were.



posted on Mar, 12 2009 @ 07:47 AM
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Stomach illness and respiratory. And of course they pick times such as now when others will say "oh that's seasonal!" it's always seasonal!



posted on Mar, 16 2009 @ 06:16 PM
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Here is a chat answer from *another* worried person,
from another forum:


posted 10-07-2002
Chem 11 I'm with you. (Haze)

Start at the top.
LOOK UP. Explain what is seen.
Explain what the red powder substance is in my bird bath.
Explain what the very fine strands hanging from my trees and telephone wire, bushs etc, are.
Explain Why the doctors are at a loss to explain why so many people have breathing problems
such as asthma etc.
Explain why we cannot get this subject reported on in National papers.
Explain why this topic is so high on the debunkers agenda if there is no substance to the
claims (backed with evidence) by so many people.
The fact that we ARE being sprayed is not in question, Why and what with, is.

There is more than one answer to each question.

Normal contrails are NOT the answer to either.

I do not get involved in debates with debunkers I know they know, or they would not debunk,
so I do not preach to the converted.

However several people are reading about chemtrails, talking about chemtrails, and looking up,
to see with their own eyes. this will go on and on and on.

The chemtrails are not about to stop.
and nor is the debunking or the debunkers.
-However the gap is growing between the aware and the unaware, and it can only get bigger.
(100 monkeys and all that)


That seems a seriously made study:
www.chemtrailcentral.com...
And one result is ?:



Summary of Results
Additionally it was discovered that the jets that were responsible for leaving highly
persistent trails that last for hours did not ever appear on Flight Explorer and were
documented for 8 separate instances, including one instance with two jets in formation.


As we can see here, there is no evidence.
Just stuff to think about.

Blue skies.

[edit on 2009/3/16 by C-JEAN]



posted on Mar, 16 2009 @ 06:34 PM
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If we are going to start using forums as evidence, then lets see what professional pilots have to say on the topic, em?

I'll use AirlinePilotForum:


Chemtrails, Funny Stuff
There's a show on Discovery right now called "Best Evidence". They're examining the whole "chemtrails" conspiracy theory. One lady from California in particular is a riot. She has a wall of pictures showing differnet 'chemtrail' styles. The show paid a lab to perform analysis on jet fuel samples from across the country. I'll let you guys guess what they found...
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I watched it for a few minutes before I had to turn the channel. It was a good laugh.
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I saw this show today on the Disc. Channel.
What a joke...
But if i didnt know anything about jets, i would have so bought the whole story...
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There's no way to distinguish the diffference between chemtrails and contrails because there is no such thing as chemtrails.



Chemtrails
So, maybe I have been living under a rock all this time, but I have only recently heard of this things called chemtrails. From what I have read, it seems that there is a group of people who believe that a contrail should last no more than 5 minutes, and if it does then it is a chemtrail. They seem to believe that the government is spraying chemicals, from some unknown reason.

I saw some pictures of the supposed chemtrails, and they looked like contrails. I personnaly think it is all crap, and just some guys poor understanding of meteorology, and have tried to explain that to some of these people, but they won't hear it, because contrails, by some unknown law, can only last a short time.
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played a golf with one of those tree-hugger types last year who spent the first 5 holes complaining about how the airlines are shortening our life spans. the next 13 holes he decided to complain about how contrails ruin his blue sky and how the EWR traffic makes him suffer day in and day out...
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Well, from what it seems, they don't think all contrails are chemtrails, just the ones that last more than 5 minutes.

I can imagine seeing these people sitting in lawn chairs, with tin foil hats on, and a timer, timing each contrail, then when it exccedes 5 minutes they start running and yelling about the government spraying them with chemicals. I kinda feel bad for them.

I thought I was the only one who had to deal with these people.
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Most of the people that believe this are the same conspiracy theorists that swear there was a second gunman, that we didn't land on the moon, and the "victims" of 9-11 are in the witness protection program because it was an elaborate plot to bring us to war. Oh, the second plane to hit the towers was also a specially modified missile plane painted in a UA scheme. These people also typically like to answer a question with another question.
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You're kidding me, right?

Your pilot license should be revoked just for posting this. What sort of chemicals do you put in YOUR fuel tank?

All jet engines make a lot of water as a byproduct of combustion. It's real cold up in the flight levels. Contrails are ice crystals illuminated by sunlight. Depending on altitude, humidity, winds aloft, they could last a long time or not be visible at all. High altitude clouds are also frozen water droplets. Contrails are basically long, narrow clouds.

Some old, old jets might actually produce some real smoke.
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Sorry, thought you were serious. This kind of crap is a pet peeve of mine. The world has enough real problems without spending time, energy, and debate on fantasies derived from the doped-up minds of semi-educated paranoids.
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No problem. I was just trying to figure out whether it was something others have heard about, or if it was just something this guy thought up. The more I look into the more I see how widespread it is (as in locations, not nesscarly people-wise), and how little facts are used in the arguements, and how they butcher meteorology.

Does anyone know who started this??? I heard it was some late-nate talk-show radio host who did other things like UFOs, and the like.

I have also read that these people actually harass NASA meteorologists and the like. I have tried to go about disproving them, but they completely ignore facts.


So what you think of chemtrails now?



posted on Mar, 16 2009 @ 07:35 PM
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You claim that: "My wife works at an doctors office, and she is pumped from having so much work at work, there are so many sick people here in Oslo it is scary."

Please provide documented facts to back up your wild statements. I live in Oslo too, and I know very well that your tales have absolutely nothing to do with reality. It is Winter here, some people get the flu, some people get a cold, that is nothing out of the ordinary.

And your wife works at a doctor's office, does she? Perhaps someone should have told her that in her line of work she is bound to meet a lot of, well... sick people.



posted on Mar, 16 2009 @ 08:04 PM
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The Hospitals here are jamming right now too, most are running at capacity and having to send people away. The reason for this is two-fold. First, cold season is still going, and allergy season is kicking in. Second, the economy is in the crapper. Meaning that more folks cannot afford medical care, or don't have insurance, and thus they are filling hospitals to receive free care.



posted on Mar, 18 2009 @ 08:42 PM
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where i live it like goes through periods of major spraying and then it calms down and we have a completely clear sky. weird huh?
i was hanging out with my friends one day and i saw a chemtrail and- this is really dumb of me, no clue what i was thinking- i decided to breathe in really deeply and see if it affected me. so then i did and got a headache. do not ask why i did that, it was really stupid.



posted on Mar, 18 2009 @ 09:37 PM
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I never get sick, but here in Garden City, MI everyone has been getting stomach issues, including me.

We've also all noticed more planes and such overhead than usual.



posted on Mar, 18 2009 @ 11:37 PM
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Well, I KNOW I'm not a doped-up, semi-paranoid person. I KNOW that chem trails are real and I kinda get sick of hearing the stupid debunkers claim(and insult) the people that discuss the chemtrail problem, saying we are crazy. We post to talk about it between each other and not waste our time with you debunks. Your wasting your time with us. Your comments are worthless here I'm afraid.



posted on Mar, 18 2009 @ 11:45 PM
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It's obvious that there are some who will believe contrails are "chemtrails" no matter what. There are also those who aren't sure and have an open mind and listen to reason. Those who want to hear both sides of the story. Those who don't have anything to say just yet. Those who may pay attention to science and stuff, or at least consider it.

[edit on 3/18/2009 by Phage]



posted on Mar, 21 2009 @ 02:49 PM
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I agree except for the ones who call the believers " doped-up and semi-paranoid". They should be able to state their views, but without the insults and saying we are stupid. No one will debate with an assh---! All I am saying is that if you want to discuss it, then discuss it and leave the stupid name calling out.



posted on Mar, 21 2009 @ 02:55 PM
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Does anyone even remember what REAL clouds and blue skies even look like?

I really miss lying on my back in a field and watching the clouds roll by!



posted on Mar, 21 2009 @ 03:03 PM
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Yep. Except for some nice fluffy cumulus, it's a clear, beautiful (bit windy) day.

[edit on 3/21/2009 by Phage]



posted on Mar, 21 2009 @ 03:08 PM
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Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by interestedalways
 

Yep. Except for some nice fluffy cumulus, it's a clear, beautiful (bit windy) day.

[edit on 3/21/2009 by Phage]


Yes, we still do have some normal days, occasionally.

But rarely, indeed.

And as far as respiratory illness, it is running rampant here in my area.

The docs don't even seem to bother trying to do tests or anything, just either claim "allergies" without doing anything but looking in the ears, or say "virus" and send you home.

Clariton or breathing treatments for all of my grandkids in the last month or two. I myself had respiratory problems for over two months that only steroids could allow me to breath.

And I had no fever or flu or anything like that, just inflammation in my chest and lungs. I have no allergies either.



posted on Mar, 21 2009 @ 03:15 PM
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I live under one of the busiest air routes in the US and we've had tons of beautiful days lately. A little bit of rain, but most days are perfect blue skies with hardly any clouds. Today is a bit cloudy though, but no rain yet.



posted on Mar, 21 2009 @ 03:17 PM
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This is happening all over the world - the respiratory issues - fungus - heavy mucus that stays in the throat/chest and sinuses, ear infections - itchy and burning eyes. Pneumonia is everywhere - even in people without any prior respiratory issues.
Lingering coughs - lingering of the above mentioned symptoms.
Something is going on.
It is NOT because it is winter or cold and flu season. This is BS.
It isn't because the tree down the street just bloomed and you are allergic to it.
It's because there is something happening in our atmosphere that is making us sick.
Very sick.



posted on Mar, 21 2009 @ 03:18 PM
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Are you sure it isn't evil spirits?



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