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Here is it FEMINISM again, Taking all we men have.

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posted on Mar, 22 2009 @ 04:45 PM
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I still think your approach to this is divisive and misguided. I started out my posts the way I did to prove a point. You say you want equality for all but much of your posts prove otherwise with language like "Traitors" as if there were sides to take in the first place. There aren't, and it is naive to assume so based on perceived sexual inequality.




posted on Mar, 22 2009 @ 04:45 PM
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Originally posted by ravenshadow13
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I don't see many men around here that deserve to be respected.
At least I take the time to capitalize and spell correctly.
Jeeze... I can't deal with threads like this.

And I wasn't alluding that women should be in power but at least in this day and age they should be treated equally. And they're still not. Which is a bummer.


Yeah, I see you just came here to bash my editorial mistakes. I have to respond to tons of posts here single-handedly, respond in a timely fashion before the next wave of attacks against my beliefs/proof to back them up and not make even one mistake? I'm sorry, not everyone is as perfect as some women claim to be. As you may have noticed, I went back and capitalized that 'I' you alluded to. I wouldn't want you to go picket against me or anything.Is that better now? Did you actually come with any proof to support feminism or are you finished? You have really only helped my cause. Aside from the personal onslaught with no other reason to even respond, I guess I should thank you.----There I edited this 3 times for you.

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posted on Mar, 22 2009 @ 04:47 PM
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Originally posted by projectvxn
reply to post by sinister_scarecrow
 


I still think your approach to this is divisive and misguided. I started out my posts the way I did to prove a point. You say you want equality for all but much of your posts prove otherwise with language like "Traitors" as if there were sides to take in the first place. There aren't, and it is naive to assume so based on perceived sexual inequality.

The "traitors clause" was for men who support feminists in their cause, not directed towards the average woman.



posted on Mar, 22 2009 @ 04:48 PM
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Again the above post serves only to prove my point. You attack women at every turn rather than exposing any ism for it's inherent corruption. You are creating the polar opposite to what I assume is really anger toward the feminazis, and no one likes those, not even other feminists.



posted on Mar, 22 2009 @ 04:49 PM
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hey please..im not flaming you or being bad,i dont live in a country with primary language english,im not a perfect writer or speller,but people seem to understand me enough,u dont think my writing here has to do anything with it.
ok its bad to have threads flaming both sexes...im sure ur feeling hurt,but theres a lot of man that want to lay the steam off...
as far as i know i tryed to intelectualy explain my feelings
as far as u want to know, im a perfect genlteman and would give my soul for a woman i love. i know that your hard to understand sometimes,as we are,your more emotional creatures,i know i shouldnt bring my own feelings into this..but i cant even find a nice women where live,however i do know girls who are really nice and sweet and deserve only the best (:

BUT u do see that girls are not the best politics or drivers some times,theyr feelings makes them do stupid stuff(not true entirely but think about it)
girls now rule..and man are weak...):
i have worked with girls,its more sweet and nice,i enjoy working with girls,if theyr are nice,i dont know what to say here...but women do GET a lot of power and there are alot of women who ARE BAD



posted on Mar, 22 2009 @ 04:50 PM
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I do support the empowering of women. I don't support double standards, legal biased, and the above described "Feminazi" movement that took hold in the 80s and 90s, that i am assuming is the real source of your frustration.



posted on Mar, 22 2009 @ 05:01 PM
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Originally posted by projectvxn
reply to post by sinister_scarecrow
 


Again the above post serves only to prove my point. You attack women at every turn rather than exposing any ism for it's inherent corruption. You are creating the polar opposite to what I assume is really anger toward the feminazis, and no one likes those, not even other feminists.


No YOU made MY point. She attacked me for nothing more than a 'lower cased I", she shouldn't have even responded with no content or addition to this post. I said earlier that if a woman attacks a man...a man will come to her aid. When a man attacks a woman....same thing. You just proved my point. She attacked first (about nothing more than a lowercased I) and I defended my mistake.Then what happened? You came on and blamed me for attacking her and all women at every turn. You see what I'm talking about? She attacked and you blamed me.....the man. I don't even know what a Feminazi is....clever though.

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posted on Mar, 22 2009 @ 05:02 PM
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well to say something on the theme, feminism should target the men who treat women bad,beat them and such.
instead they target all man like we are trash?!
HELLO?! there are great man there who dont get girls simply couse girls chooze to go out with "bad boys"
WOMEN should be responsible for theyr own actions!
AS WE MEN ARE ALL THE TIME
!!!



posted on Mar, 22 2009 @ 05:05 PM
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www.abovetopsecret.com...

I offer this post as a token of my consistency in this thread.
While proper grammar is cherished on ATS I do not agree with her approach. I took exception to your blanket statements on women as a result of her misguided criticism contained within your response.



posted on Mar, 22 2009 @ 05:08 PM
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Originally posted by Stillalive
well to say something on the theme, feminism should target the men who treat women bad,beat them and such.
instead they target all man like we are trash?!
HELLO?! there are great man there who dont get girls simply couse girls chooze to go out with "bad boys"
WOMEN should be responsible for theyr own actions!
AS WE MEN ARE ALL THE TIME
!!!


Finally, someone who has my side for a change, hard to fight a war with one person and still be as perfect as Raven wants me to be lol.



posted on Mar, 22 2009 @ 05:10 PM
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Originally posted by projectvxn
reply to post by sinister_scarecrow
 


www.abovetopsecret.com...

I offer this post as a token of my consistency in this thread.
While proper grammar is cherished on ATS I do not agree with her approach. I took exception to your blanket statements on women as a result of her misguided criticism contained within your response.



Yeah, I didn't write that. As I said, I respected your opinion. This is just a discussion and we have different views. It happens.

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posted on Mar, 22 2009 @ 05:15 PM
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look the right thing to say its...in those thread all women and man come and flame based on theyr past experiences and relationships..and sometimes on intelectual knowledge and grown opinions(:

but as far as my life...ive seen mostly bad from women i gived everyhting.

LIFE IS SIMPLE my friends...we need a soulmate that we love..mutual respect and love...no in not perfect...ive done selfish stuff my self...but im an angel compared to the guis who make sex and leave..ive been a genlteman and what do i get?getting humiliated and maked fun of just couse im not the biggest playboy or sexual experienced...jee thx girls(:
girls on the other hand some seem to enjoy being commanded,mistreated,to feel liek a women...
i dont know if we should argue more..but girls now got a lot of power and theyr SCREWING everything...



posted on Mar, 22 2009 @ 05:17 PM
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Originally posted by Stillalive
hey please..im not flaming you or being bad,i dont live in a country with primary language english,im not a perfect writer or speller,but people seem to understand me enough,u dont think my writing here has to do anything with it.
ok its bad to have threads flaming both sexes...im sure ur feeling hurt,but theres a lot of man that want to lay the steam off...
as far as i know i tryed to intelectualy explain my feelings
as far as u want to know, im a perfect genlteman and would give my soul for a woman i love. i know that your hard to understand sometimes,as we are,your more emotional creatures,i know i shouldnt bring my own feelings into this..but i cant even find a nice women where live,however i do know girls who are really nice and sweet and deserve only the best (:

BUT u do see that girls are not the best politics or drivers some times,theyr feelings makes them do stupid stuff(not true entirely but think about it)
girls now rule..and man are weak...):
i have worked with girls,its more sweet and nice,i enjoy working with girls,if theyr are nice,i dont know what to say here...but women do GET a lot of power and there are alot of women who ARE BAD


Let's say, hypothetically, that you were correct in postulating my pain concerning the fairer sex. Would you then not agree, that the avenue I have taken (posting on forums) is far more constructive than physically remunerating the offenders for what they did to me? I assure you though, this is just so we men don't slip into obscurity, which is what is truly happening and the media (for some reason) is helping feminists to lie to us and to tell us we still hold the power, when the data clearly disputes that lie.Now let me re-read to assure perfection here, yeah, all checks out. You have better watch out also about your textual aberrations up there. There is someone called RavenSh...something that will get you for that. I'm guessing she is the editorial police. Again, I am looking out for the men.


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posted on Mar, 22 2009 @ 05:19 PM
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I know you didn't write that. I did. Your response to her is as follows:



Yeah, I see you just came here to bash my editorial mistakes. I have to respond to tons of posts here single-handedly, respond in a timely fashion before the next wave of attacks against my beliefs/proof to back them up and not make even one mistake? I'm sorry, not everyone is as perfect as some women claim to be. As you may have noticed, I went back and capitalized that 'I' you alluded to. I wouldn't want you to go picket against me or anything.Is that better now? Did you actually come with any proof to support feminism or are you finished? You have really only helped my cause. Aside from the personal onslaught with no other reason to even respond, I guess I should thank you.----There I edited this 3 times for you.



(Emphasis and underline mine)

This is what I'm talking about. Are you sure you're castigating her for her personal attack, or are you castigating her gender for her personal attack?


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posted on Mar, 22 2009 @ 05:23 PM
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hey its a forum..i didnt understand what did u meant but i guess we were both screwed by other sex, we should both take actions to prevent being hurt again and respect our selfs,we saw this thread and just wanted to cry some of our pain out,maybe say a nice opinion.well i dont know about grown up thing,i dont see nothing wrong about posting here..its a thread after all.
i guess abused men and women should find each other and get in love,that would make a nice relationship



posted on Mar, 22 2009 @ 05:23 PM
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Originally posted by projectvxn
reply to post by sinister_scarecrow
 


I know you didn't write that. I did. Your response to her is as follows:



Yeah, I see you just came here to bash my editorial mistakes. I have to respond to tons of posts here single-handedly, respond in a timely fashion before the next wave of attacks against my beliefs/proof to back them up and not make even one mistake? I'm sorry, not everyone is as perfect as some women claim to be. As you may have noticed, I went back and capitalized that 'I' you alluded to. I wouldn't want you to go picket against me or anything.Is that better now? Did you actually come with any proof to support feminism or are you finished? You have really only helped my cause. Aside from the personal onslaught with no other reason to even respond, I guess I should thank you.----There I edited this 3 times for you.



(Emphasis and underline mine)

This is what I'm talking about. Are you sure you're castigating her for her personal attack, or are you castigating her gender for her personal attack?


[edit on 22-3-2009 by projectvxn]


I am referring to "SOME" women, and yes, I rightfully placed her in that particular paradigm, as she was representing those particular women, of whom I was referring to. All other women who would not have taken that same classless attempt at my personal abasement just for the sake of pointing out a textual flaw ...are exempt.

[edit on 22-3-2009 by sinister_scarecrow]



posted on Mar, 22 2009 @ 05:25 PM
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Originally posted by sinister_scarecrow
Here they are with their own Women's council now, THANKS OBAMA, YOU SELLOUT!


What exactly is your problem with the said council? Is it that women are going to have fair representation in presenting their concerns with inequality?


Look at what Obama just did for these women ...(who get nothing...[laughs]) and notice that MEN are no part of this.


I'm sorry, do you want a position on the Tampax board of directors too?

Perhaps having some "MEN" on this committee would offer a counterbalance and a different perspective, but, what are YOUR motives for believing men should be on this council? Is to to enforce equality among the sexes or is it to shoot from the hip, your very obvious views against women?



They are taking everything from us men and getting away with it because we are letting them.


WHAT exactly are "women" taking away from you "men"? Are we not all human? Do we not all have the same rights to opportunities? Should we not be allowed to express our opinions on matters that DIRECTLY affect Women? We're all citizens, we're all people, and NO ONE is property anymore - Equality all around.



Wake up men....women are far more of a threat than any UFO.


Sure. We're a threat. We have the Uterus you need to carry children and to sustain population on this planet... Yup, I can see the threat there.



(flag please, this is more important than you know, it needs 2 B heard, THX)


I fail to see how you're narrowminded opinion on the issue needs to be brought to light? Deny Ignorance anyone? How about, Deny Sexism? Deny Inequality? Deny Chauvinism? Deny Feminism?

Embrace Change. Embrace Equality for everyone.
 


Originally posted by SkitzoFrenic
women belong in the kitchen! they were created to serve man.


Wow. I do make a killer loaf of bread...In fact, I probably would look pretty good barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen slaving over a hot stove.

Do you or have you ever had a female Doctor? Dentist? Lawyer? Teacher? Serve? Wow that's a novel idea.



Well im no christian, but if u ask me, feminists are satan worshippers, because they are going directly against the word of god.


Dare I point out what's wrong with this statement? Sure, lets start at the very beginning.

"Well I'm no Christian" - Okay so then why are you using your backwards interpretation of Christianity as a basis for your argument?

"Femenists are Satan worshippers" - quite the accusation, coming from someone who admits to not being a Christian....


"Going directly against the word of god" - Again, I beg the question - if you aren't a Christian, then why are you using this as part of your argument? How about you state YOUR opinions based on YOUR beliefs.
 


Originally posted by sinister_scarecrow
No offense, but I think any man who agrees to feminism to this extent is hardly "hetero". You have assisted in sealing the fates of all of your fellow men, that's gay men included.


There is no need for personal attacks in this thread. AT ALL. No offense? Are you kidding me? No Offense? Wow...just when I think i've seen it all, someone comes along and proves me wrong... Congratulations.
 


Originally posted by TheMajestic
From what i have seen is that when women have so much power eventually they will screw it up like men have.
the same goes for any race nation ethnic culture or empire all gain all lose it.


Power Corrupts. Absolute Power corrupts absolutely. A person's sex, is not a determining factor in this equation.
 


Originally posted by sinister_scarecrow
Every woman I know makes more than me and I have been to college. All lies! This is the very thing I am talking about, women everywhere lie.


Your generalizations about women are starting to burn by $40 bra, and that is a shame. Just because "all" of the women "you know" make more then you, doesn't mean that ALL women EVERYWHERE do. Nor, does it mean that ALL women lie. Grow up, and look at the juvenile arguments you have provided.
 


Originally posted by Illisongrander
I would be utterly opposed to a "female run" world. Just as I am opposed to a male dominated world. What about balance?


THAT is the key word - BALANCE. Thank you.
 


Originally posted by sinister_scarecrow
My wife makes $26.00 and hour and, until recently, I only made $14.00 an hour.


In this day and age, I hope one of you signed a pre-nup.




- Carrot

PS. Welcome to ATS and enjoy your stay.



posted on Mar, 22 2009 @ 05:29 PM
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Oh, and I'm no teenager. I've had my run in with stupid girls. But I don't form my opinion of an entire sex because a few of them walked on my heart. It happens.

But none ever took anything from me that I didn't willingly give up. And that is the trick to it. Only you can give up what is yours. I can't take control from you, you have to give it.



posted on Mar, 22 2009 @ 05:29 PM
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women in the kitchen?well i just CANT see that as equality and fair...):
infact i love to cook and would love to cook for my womenm and i love love for my women to cook with me..
i guess if only the man works,,the wife should focus more on the house and cooking..and the baby.
if two ot them works,,they should both do equal work,but still woman are more good at cooking and doing laundry as men..were kinda handicaped..i guess we should repay them with love or something ):



posted on Mar, 22 2009 @ 05:33 PM
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projectvxn i respect ur post right there (:
we are still responsible for letting bad woman hurt us,but still they are a little responsible for doing such stuff...
i just cuted a new girl,saying i dont want to be her gay friend..i dotn want to be used to listen to all her stuff...while she goes to have sex with some jerk that dosnt listen to her...little immature by me...why not have a girl only as a friend BUT NO...i just dont want another like that...(:



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