Are there ANY churches out there that don't teach pre-trib?, page 1
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reply posted on 11-3-2009 @ 03:59 PM by concerned190
reply to post by Icarus Rising

See, I take that verse as bieng post trib. AFTER the tribulation Jesus comes. The sun darkening and moon not giving light, stars falling is when Jesus comes. IMO he is telling us this so we will not be decieved.
Mark 13:21-23
21At that time if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ[a]!' or, 'Look, there he is!' do not believe it. 22For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform signs and miracles to deceive the elect—if that were possible. 23So be on your guard; I have told you everything ahead of time.

so the verses you quoted tell us exactly to the tee what will happen at Christs return so we will no be decieved.


reply posted on 11-3-2009 @ 04:34 PM by concerned190
reply to post by kettlebellysmith


Here is a link that I've been reading......www.tribwatch.com...
Don't know if it helps......but its a start



reply posted on 11-3-2009 @ 04:41 PM by concerned190
reply to post by Nohup


I am sorry...I believe no, I know there will be a second comming. I am trying to find a church that believes as I do that the second comming only happens ONCE at the end of the tribulation. If I am wrong, then great, I wont have to go through the tribulation but it bothers me to no end that churches want to send "feel good" sermons, i believe they do it to get more people to attend. I feel they should be preparing people for the end not telling them "be good, be kind, do nice things, believe in God and he will take you to heaven and you wont have to deal with the end"


reply posted on 11-3-2009 @ 05:19 PM by concerned190
reply to post by Iamonlyhuman


I understand. Your right 100%. I just want a good place for my kids to learn too. thanks


reply posted on 11-3-2009 @ 05:30 PM by Supercertari
Originally posted by concerned190
reply to post by Nohup


I can only add the previous recommendation of Catholicism, that may be beyond the pale for you but if you were interested might I reccomend the following two (brief) sections of the Catechism of the Catholic Church which gives a summary of Catholic believes concerning the current era and the second coming. This is an expansion of the concluding clauses on the fundamental expression of the Catholic faith as prayed each week - The Creed. Would be interested to hear your thoughts on them if you would care to.

www.vatican.va...
www.vatican.va...

To wet your appetite, here I paste the summary of the two sections from the Catechism itself:

680 Christ the Lord already reigns through the Church, but all the things of this world are not yet subjected to him. the triumph of Christ's kingdom will not come about without one last assault by the powers of evil.

681 On Judgement Day at the end of the world, Christ will come in glory to achieve the definitive triumph of good over evil which, like the wheat and the tares, have grown up together in the course of history.

682 When he comes at the end of time to judge the living and the dead, the glorious Christ will reveal the secret disposition of hearts and will render to each man according to his works, and according to his acceptance or refusal of grace.


CCC 680-682

[edit on 11/3/09 by Supercertari]


reply posted on 11-3-2009 @ 05:45 PM by Supercertari
reply to post by concerned190


My pleasure
I hope when you do read them you'll be pleasantly surprised by the references and footnotes which are almost entirely scriptural.



reply posted on 11-3-2009 @ 05:54 PM by Icarus Rising
reply to post by Nohup


Have to disagree with you there. There will undoubtedly be a Second Coming of Jesus Christ.


John 14

2 "In My Father's house are many dwelling places; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you.

3 "If I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself, that where I am, there you may be also.

4"And you know the way where I am going."


As for Scritural evidence of the Rapture,


1 Thessalonians

16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.

17 Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord.

Revelation 15

1 Then I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvelous, seven angels who had seven plagues, which are the last, because in them the wrath of God is finished.

2 And I saw something like a sea of glass mixed with fire, and those who had been victorious over the beast and his image and the number of his name, standing on the sea of glass, holding harps of God.



reply posted on 11-3-2009 @ 06:46 PM by Icarus Rising
reply to post by FlyersFan


How much Scriptural evidence is there for transubstantiation of the eucharist? Indulgences? Purgatory?

The evidence for the Rapture has been there all along. Just because Darby got it wrong doesn't mean it won't happen in the form God intends. Everything else is just opinion.

[edit on 11-3-2009 by Icarus Rising]
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