so if UFOs are soooo common at Mt. Adams as viewable from the basecamp at Gilliland Ranch then why have no climbers reported viewing ufos up close and in person? Its not as if Mt. Adams is Everest! Many many people have climbed this mountain before and i've yet to find a single report of a hiker/climber reporting anything about ufos.... its only those at the ranch that see them rather than those who are actually in the middle of where the ufos are being reported as seen. It reminds me of the local Spook Lights we have in Northern Wisconsin/Michigan which really are nothing more than a mirage created by lights from the highways and reflections. Real or not i'm discouraged by the fact that they are only viewable from a hippie ranch and not from those in the midst of the ufo's supposed location. I hope i'm wrong and that viewers can kindly redirect me to online accounts of upclose and personal witnesses on Mt. Adams to the supposed UFOs.

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Sir, a few minutes investigating the Gilliland Ranch case would reveal that their has, in fact been a real investigation at the Gilliland Ranch. Don't be lazy bud. You made it A51 with some amazing stuff. Take the time and do some research. You can't rely on us to do it all for you.

sitting on a ranch is NOT investigating when you have the actual action within LEGAL hiking distance. Please explain the "real investigation" ... a bunch of old men sitting around a campfire with a camera and scope again is NOT an investigation ...its a joke. Climbing the mountian with all sorts of recording devices while coodinating with those below watching the events IS an actual investigation in my humble opinion.....

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I have never saw a video from the ranch that couldn't be copied by a hiker with a light over on that mountain. Why do the lights never move much, and never above the outline of the mountain. All the glorious sitings James claims to happen and all he can catch on film is hiker headlamps on the mountain. Smells fishy to me, scam imo.
Peace

we did not go up the mountain but we did see some hikers in the vicinity of the lights from the previous night. Rob spent extra time there with his crew and I am fairly sure he spoke with James about hiking and who's allowed etc. I remember being told that the local native americans control the mountain so trying to access the portal and all that other stuff would need approval. James says he's been there and said he could get approval if needed.

Maybe chrisonabike can add some input here with regards to the mountain.

Originally posted by Crakeur
we did not go up the mountain but we did see some hikers in the vicinity of the lights from the previous night. Rob spent extra time there with his crew and I am fairly sure he spoke with James about hiking and who's allowed etc. I remember being told that the local native americans control the mountain so trying to access the portal and all that other stuff would need approval. James says he's been there and said he could get approval if needed.

Maybe chrisonabike can add some input here with regards to the mountain.

i havent read this on any of the hiking/climbing forums i've read regarding Mt. Adams , but then again i've never been there in person and i'm sure you have more accurate first hand info. Thanks for the update! Also to the other poster, i completely agree alot of these phantom lights are very real geological anomolies. As you pointed out, "earhtquake lights" are quite a possability given the siesmic activity in the region.

However lights that appear to react to lasers and to alter their trajectory based on an interaction with the Gilliland witnesses, IF TRUE, does cast a shadow of doubt on this "earthquake lights" theory.

1993, Professors Derr and Persinger put forward a theory that earth lights may be generated piezoelectrically under a tectonic strain. This theory suggests that the strains which move faults also causes heat in the rocks, vaporising the water in them. Rocks and soils containing piezoelectric elements such as quartz (or silicon) may also produce electricity, which is channeled up through soils via a column of vaporised water until it reaches the surface — somehow displaying itself in the form of earth lights. If correct, this explains why such lights can behave in an electrical and erratic – or even apparently intelligent – manner Persinger, M.A. (1993). Perceptual and Motor Skills. "Geophysical variables and behavior: LXXIV. Man-made fluid injections into the crust and reports of luminous phenomena (UFO Reports) - is the strain field an aseismically propagating hydrological pulse?". Derr, J.S. (1993). Perceptual and Motor Skills. "Seasonal hydrological load and regional luminous phenomena (UFO reports) within river systems: the Mississippi Valley test.".

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I agree with your comments. I'm on the fence on this one, especially since i have never been to the Ranch in person yet hard for me to judge. I think you bring up a good point regarding the subjective nature of a supposed "response" from the lights in regards to lasers/spotlights. This very well could be all geologically related rather than military/et/supernatural. Whatever the case it is curious and from what i've read is somewhat consistant