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posted on May, 9 2009 @ 12:42 AM
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The only purpose of a handgun is to kill another human.


A typical clueless response from a spineless nanny-statist. Wrong! As our US Constitution's 2nd Amendment clearly states, the purpose of a lawfully owned and operated handgun is to prevent another person from killing YOU! Get it? If handgun control is so wonderful, explain to me why the two US cities (NYC and Washington DC) with the highest violent crime rates also have strict hand gun control laws? A well armed society is a polite society.

I also love these cowardly Brits that yammer on about how superior the UK is with their gun control laws. The first thing that King George did to suppress the colonial uprising was to confiscate all firearms. The second thing was to control the free press. That's why the US Constitution's Bill of Rights lists freedom of speech and the right to bear arms as amendments 1 & 2.

If there's one thing petty tyrants fear, it's a well-armed, well-informed population.




posted on May, 9 2009 @ 09:01 AM
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Originally posted by riff_raff A well armed society is a polite society. I also love these cowardly Brits that yammer on about how superior the UK is with their gun control laws.


Once again, for those who missed it the first couple of times...
I repeat: Toronto has about 2.5 million population. Something like 80 murders in 2007. 54 gun related.

Stack that up against any comparable American city and you hit a statistic that goes way beyond simple good manners.



posted on May, 9 2009 @ 09:22 AM
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Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck Toronto has about 2.5 million population. Something like 80 murders in 2007. 54 gun related.

Stack that up against any comparable American city and you hit a statistic that goes way beyond simple good manners.


Well the "demographics" also play a huge part. 50% of all murders in the U.S. are committed by males of a specific group that makes up about 6% of our population.

Canada has a different demographic makeup. People love to pretend that doesn't matter, and it is rarely discussed but it matters a LOT.



posted on May, 9 2009 @ 09:39 AM
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Originally posted by Sonya610

Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck Toronto has about 2.5 million population. Something like 80 murders in 2007. 54 gun related.

Stack that up against any comparable American city and you hit a statistic that goes way beyond simple good manners.


Canada has a different demographic makeup. People love to pretend that doesn't matter, and it is rarely discussed but it matters a LOT.


Toronto has a hugely diverse demographic...you think it's all white bread, you need to come here for a visit. Google Caribana. Heck, c'mon up anyway!

We just aren't all packing. I just saw a stat that said 29% of Canadian households have firearms, compared to 39% of US. Now, I think that stat was 15 years old, but I doubt they've decreased. We just don't carry...'cept for the bad guys and cops...and we let them sort it out as a rule.



posted on May, 9 2009 @ 09:45 AM
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Originally posted by JohnnyCanuckWe just aren't all packing. I just saw a stat that said 29% of Canadian households have firearms, compared to 39% of US. Now, I think that stat was 15 years old, but I doubt they've decreased. We just don't carry...'cept for the bad guys and cops...and we let them sort it out as a rule.


Most Americans don't pack either (as in legal gun permits). But you can be sure the violent crime statistics in some parts of the U.S. do encourage some to pack.

I am single woman and if my car breaks down I don't want to be a "statistic" on the side of the road. That is a real concern out here for those that pay attention to the crime reports. There are plenty around here that will jump at the chance to prey on someone who looks vulnerable, fortunately with our gun laws a single female is not always vulnerable.

It is more for peace of mind than anything else, but yes it gives me a LOT of piece of mind.



posted on May, 9 2009 @ 09:55 AM
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Originally posted by Sonya610
I am single woman and if my car breaks down I don't want to be a "statistic" on the side of the road. It is more for peace of mind than anything else, but yes it gives me a LOT of piece of mind.


You are not going to see me try and talk you out of it. Frankly, it's the cowboy attitude that gets people killed. Maybe it should be mandatory for women to carry. Now that would be an interesting social experiment.

Great avatar, btw...love the movie. Seen Dark City?



posted on May, 9 2009 @ 10:18 AM
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If you look at the demographics of US murders, most are committed by Black and Hispanic males between 15 and 24 and perpetrated against males of the same demographic. I'm not being racist but those are the facts.

So why are our youth trying to kill each other? Because the US has allowed the creation of a violent culture with rap music and violent video games and, most of all, lack of parenting, among other things. If you take away the firearms do you think they will instantly stop committing murders? Or do you think they will just find another weapon? Pardon the pun but you can't fix a bullet wound with a band aid.

The US is hemorrhaging and the 2nd Amendment is not the cause.



posted on May, 9 2009 @ 10:26 AM
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Originally posted by testrat

The only purpose of a handgun is to kill another human. You can't hunt with it,


With all due respect, you may find it to be conducive to presenting a valid side of a debate by(at the very least) making a cursory attempt to research the topic you wish to inject your opinion into.

With that being said I offer to you "A Beginners Guide to Big Game Handgun Hunting"





Originally posted by testrat

The 2nd amendment is for the right to bear arms against foreign invaders. Last time I checked the US hasn't been invaded in awhile. Its pretty much a loophole that allows anyone to own a gun or go on a killing spree.

If people want to pretend and think they are John Wayne and shoot up bad guys, go for it. I'll run and hide, and be able to walk away from the incident.



Once again I shall suggest that you make an effort to research your debate topics rather than resorting to verbal blustering. SCOTUS in numerous rulings over the years has clearly defined the Second Amendment as being an integral right for law abiding citizens to facilitate the perpetuation of their personal defense and not merely for the purpose of "repelling foreign invaders".

St. George Tucker published an edition of Blackstone's Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States. Blackstone is still considered to be a solid legal resource for the interpretation of Constitutional Law. Tucker stated within this work "This may be considered as the true palladium of liberty . . . . The right of self defence is the first law of nature: in most governments it has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the narrowest limits possible. Wherever standing armies are kept up, and the right of the people to keep and bear arms, is under any colour or pretext whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annihilated, is on the brink of destruction."
www.constitution.org...


When the Supreme Court's Second Amendment rulings are studied over the course of this nation’s history, there is an undeniable pattern establishing a clear view of this amendment's importance in the maintenance of personal as well as collective liberty.


“the states cannot, even laying the constitutional provision in question out of view, prohibit the people from keeping and bearing arms, so as to deprive the United States of their rightful resource for maintaining the public security”- Presser v. Illinois, 116 U.S. 252, 264-66 (1886)

“as all citizens capable of bearing arms constitute the reserved military force of the national government the states could not prohibit the people from keeping and bearing arms, so as to deprive the United States of their rightful resource for maintaining the public security”- Maxwell v. Dow, 176 U.S. 581, 597 (1900)

“Marshaling an impressive array of historical evidence, a growing body of scholarly commentary indicates that the "right to keep and bear arms" is, as the Amendment's text suggests, a personal right.”- Printz v. United States, 521 U.S. 898, 938-939 (1997)

And finally in the most recent case - District of Columbia v. Heller (2008) "The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home."



posted on May, 9 2009 @ 11:09 AM
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Originally posted by janon
So why are our youth trying to kill each other? Because the US has allowed the creation of a violent culture with rap music and violent video games and, most of all, lack of parenting, among other things. If you take away the firearms do you think they will instantly stop committing murders? Or do you think they will just find another weapon?

The US is hemorrhaging and the 2nd Amendment is not the cause.


But you don't get as much collateral damage from a knife fight. We have plenty of disadvantaged or disenfranchised youth...or just plain bored stupid mofos if you prefer..., and if they try reasonably hard, they can find guns.

But I maintain that there is a gun culture inherent in America, and that's why so many more murders occur...why not blame the second amendment?



posted on May, 9 2009 @ 11:25 AM
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Originally posted by Doc Velocity

Originally posted by aorAki
I don't have to deal with nutters who feel it is their right to carry a gun

For your information, the American people do not "feel it is their right" to carry a gun. We don't feel it is our right, we know it is our right, and we have a hardcopy guarantee of that right called The United States Constitution.

In brief, the Founders of our nation wanted to ensure that Americans would always be able to revolt and overthrow a corrupt central government, by force of arms if necessary. That is why we're guaranteed the right to privately own firearms.

It is indeed fortunate that you live in New Zealand, where you never need worry about your country becoming a superpower and the target of international terrorists and socialist scumbags within your own government. See? Sometimes it pays to live in New Zealand, even if you are the butt of 150,000 Australian jokes.

— Doc Velocity





[edit on 3/11/2009 by Doc Velocity]


hey, hey, hey.... the kiwis and the aussies are good guys, but their rugby teams get a little nutty when they play each other, and the fans go alittle crazy too.



posted on May, 9 2009 @ 11:36 AM
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Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck
But you don't get as much collateral damage from a knife fight. We have plenty of disadvantaged or disenfranchised youth...or just plain bored stupid mofos if you prefer..., and if they try reasonably hard, they can find guns.


True it is trickier to kill lots of people fast with a knife. But does it matter to me? Nope. A thug with a knife (or even a thug with just his fists) is a threat to my life and security, and my gun is the great equalizer.

If you ban guns then those of us that are physicall smaller will be at a HUGE disadvantage (as will men that encounter more than one opponent). I will not live in fear, I will not be afraid to leave my home at night because I am less than physically threatening. I have a right to live like a first class citizen and that means be out and about without being completely vulnerable.



posted on May, 9 2009 @ 12:18 PM
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Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck

But you don't get as much collateral damage from a knife fight.

So you ban firearms. So the focus is taken off guns and is now placed on knives because stabbing deaths have skyrocketed. Gosh we'd better ban knives now... Slippery slope. Next thing we know, we'll have to show ID to buy plastic spoons.

We have plenty of disadvantaged or disenfranchised youth...or just plain bored stupid mofos if you prefer..., and if they try reasonably hard, they can find guns.

That can be said about any country, even those that ban firearms. Banning them only removes them from law abiding citizens and criminalizes those that don't agree with the ban. Those that would use them for illegal purposes don't care because they are already criminally minded.

But I maintain that there is a gun culture inherent in America, and that's why so many more murders occur...why not blame the second amendment?

When you say 'gun culture' you really should say 'violent culture' because the gun is just the tool but the violence is really the issue. The 2nd Amendment is in place for law abiding citizens not for criminals to commit murders.


My Glock has never killed anyone.



posted on May, 9 2009 @ 01:16 PM
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I will agree to disagree! If your protection is a gun, it shows how bad the world is getting and what lengths people go through for protection and self belief.



posted on May, 9 2009 @ 03:34 PM
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Originally posted by The Shade
I will agree to disagree! If your protection is a gun, it shows how bad the world is getting and what lengths people go through for protection and self belief.


My next door neighbor (a 5'2" female) had an incident a couple of years ago during which a male (probably high on drugs) banged at her front door and then went around the back of the house (through a gated backyard) and tried to bang his way in that way too. She was hiding in a closet.

I am sorry but that is just ridiculous. I keep a 9mm next to my computer/family room desk and a .38 next to my bed at night (well in my purse but take it with me, I can't always find my purse during the day) so the two main areas of the house have a weapon within a few feet 90% of the time. If some drugged up nut tried that at my house I would not be hiding in a closet trying to dial 911, I would not be worrying if he was going to hurt/kill my animals, I would just tell him to leave asap or shoot him during the day, at night just shoot.

I am not going to be one of those pathetic women on the phone with 911 begging for help as the assailant beats her to death.



posted on May, 12 2009 @ 08:55 PM
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I applaud you in the last line of your post... stay tough and smart lady... you are one of the rare ones around




posted on May, 12 2009 @ 09:05 PM
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Originally posted by SantaClaus

Originally posted by bamaoutlaw
sounds like you live in a not so good city(slum) to be honest.


Well to be honest, I do.. Philadelphia doesn't have many "safe" places. In fact, I would go so far as to say there are none without gun violence. But, for all the times I've seen a gun pulled on me, I can guarantee the aggressor would have pulled the trigger a lot easier had I been packing myself.

Now, I could have shot them while they walked off, but what good does that do? I'm not dead, victory for me.

Has my knife saved me from being stabbed? Potentially, but thats because I can flash it in front of someone who doesn't have heat waaaaay before they get to me. Now they have the choice between a knife fight or just walk by.

I would go so far to say, that if you're carrying for protection here, you're an automatic enemy of both the criminals and the police.





Wait, wait, hold up a sec. You said "For all the time I've had a gun pulled on me." EXCUSE ME! You don't own a handgun at this time and "plan on buying one" later and you've had guns drawn on you.


WOW

You have got quite a Zen thing going on there if you're able to get over that without arming yourself.

I'm quite impressed!


I waited and thought about buying my Glock for about 4 years before I actually got one even though no harm has came to me (thank God). I've taken classes and got licensed and practice a lot and now I can say I think I'm OK and competent to defend myself if I need to.

I would need to if some guy pulled a gun on me.

This would be the an instance that I think I would need my gun, you know? Not an instance that I would be glad I didn't have one. I don't follow you. (I won't hold your inconsistencies against you because your avatar is so cute.
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posted on May, 13 2009 @ 02:03 AM
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The reason why we put so much effort into trying to persuade schoolkids in the UK not to carry knives for 'defence' is that carrying a knife makes you far more likely to be stabbed.

I strongly suspect the same goes for guns and shooting, but gun culture is so embedded in the US that I doubt this argument gets much of an airing.

I feel much, much safer knowing there are no guns around here. We've been burgled a couple of times but there is no way I would ever shoot a burglar. Equally the first rule of mugging is: do not resist. Sure, you might win, but it's hardly worth the risk.



posted on May, 13 2009 @ 02:42 AM
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Agreed ... but you cannot pick up a gun and claim revolt ... even against armed "Baddies" you need to be able to reduce an armed individual with your own power rather than show your armed force ... your body is your first defense on the street and in the home. Be comfortable in confronting an attacker ... only then can you discern whether you need a tactical advantage against the unknown
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Carrying an arm is not for minors... minors lack the key ability to reason what weapons are necessary or even what is considered "defense". I strongly encourage Parents to be involved with defense matters ... its like drugs in a sense, if you dont talk to your kids about it they plain dont know about it

[edit on 13-5-2009 by conspiracyrus]


one last edit ... Being armed on the street does bring attention to you . weather it be a hand gun or a knife ... what truly counts in gun ownership is the amount of b and e's in your area ( or if you are in an armed town the lack thereof). when your asleep and u hear the glass shatter thats where a weapon is necessary to confront

[edit on 13-5-2009 by conspiracyrus]



posted on May, 13 2009 @ 06:54 AM
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Originally posted by Wembley

The reason why we put so much effort into trying to persuade schoolkids in the UK not to carry knives for 'defence' is that carrying a knife makes you far more likely to be stabbed.

I strongly suspect the same goes for guns and shooting, but gun culture is so embedded in the US that I doubt this argument gets much of an airing.


LOL...well if you are 16 years old that is probably true. If you are 16 and carrying an illegal gun, and associating with people that will sell you an illegal gun, and hanging out in crowds where a gun is "needed" or a social symbol, gosh darn who would have thunk it...it may mean YOU ARE MORE LIKELY TO GET SHOT!

In the U.S. a HUGE portion of the gunshot victims are just that, young black males (they make up something like 70% of the gunshot victims).

Seeing as how I am a single white female in her 40's I guarantee you that my choosing to carry a weapon is NOT going to increase my chances of getting shot by a thug. It does not put me in "social circles" where gunweilding thugs are common.



posted on May, 13 2009 @ 08:01 AM
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Originally posted by Sonya610

Originally posted by Wembley
The reason why we put so much effort into trying to persuade schoolkids in the UK not to carry knives for 'defence' is that carrying a knife makes you far more likely to be stabbed.

LOL...well if you are 16 years old that is probably true...
Seeing as how I am a single white female in her 40's I guarantee you that my choosing to carry a weapon is NOT going to increase my chances of getting shot by a thug.


Once again, Sonya, I'm not going to try and talk a woman out of carrying a gun, or tell her it's wrong...not my business.
With regard to knives, though...I figure a man carries a knife. Cuz men get handed stuff to do, and at least half of it you can do with your pocket knife. Now schools here have a zero-tolerance policy for knives...unless of course, you're carrying a kirpan...and I can't give my 17 yr old his Grampa's pocket knife for fear it gets confiscated or some damn thing.

Mind you, I just heard yesterday that girls aren't allowed to take skipping ropes to school, either...the threat factor, you know.
Sigh.





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