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posted on Mar, 11 2009 @ 01:55 PM
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Whew, thank goodness I no longer have the desire to donate money to political campaigns or charities as I once did. I'll now use that money to pay my sin taxes.

Thank you, incompetent leaders of this flat-broke country.




posted on Mar, 11 2009 @ 02:12 PM
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Yes there optional.
But it's my right as a American to choose.
That's why it's a option.

When the government start's taxing everything that's LEGAL but deem bad for you or immoral to the point you have to quit you"Insert habit here"
That's wrong on so many level's.

To increase Tax's to get a desired effect against one's freedom..Freedom to smoke cuss drink and go to strip club's just to name a few .


It's your freedom and right to not smoke.
It's my freedom to smoke.

And if i want a dang Pepsi not a diet Pepsi..it's my right and choice.

You can't Tax and Tax to get a desired outcome.

If you want people to stop smoking...make it illegal.

If you think soda pop regular flavor is bad for me ..BAnn it make it illegal.

But to Tax me to the point only the rich can afford to smoke it is pissing me off.
End of July smokes are going up 12 dollars a carton in my state..another Tax because none fought the last Tax.

Last month or carton's cost us for generic's 20 dollars a carton.
This month 30 dollar's
In july the price will be for generics 38 to 40 dollar's for tobacco they sweep of the floor's.cheap stuff.

It's not Morally or legally right to Place a Tax on stuff that's legal to start with after all these year's.
It hurt's lower class America badly.
Heck there poor already...let's take there smoke's too..poor sob's.
ain't right man



posted on Mar, 11 2009 @ 02:15 PM
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reply to post by TheAmused
 


If they tax sex all us guys married over 5 years would get a REBATE a the end of the year!



posted on Mar, 11 2009 @ 02:21 PM
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Originally posted by theindependentjournal
reply to post by TheAmused
 


If they tax sex all us guys married over 5 years would get a REBATE a the end of the year!


See our Tax dollars at work

Stimulus Or lack of it lmfao



posted on Mar, 11 2009 @ 02:22 PM
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Amazing how someone posts in this thread saying they support this tax. How can you honestly support More taxation? If you voted for Obama, nevermind I understand.

How about instead of raising taxes for budget shortfalls, they curtail spending. Stop providing for illegal immigrants (ack sorry undocumented theives). Stop throwing money at everything conceivable.

When they raise the tax on water and implement tax on the air you breathe will they have gone too far then? What is the line?



posted on Mar, 11 2009 @ 02:25 PM
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I have about 6 years worth of rebate coming to me!



posted on Mar, 11 2009 @ 02:35 PM
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How about this, get a dump truck full of cigarette butts and dump it in front of congress and call it 'Recycling'.



posted on Mar, 11 2009 @ 02:37 PM
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They charge the s@@T out of for air man.

I went to the hospital with my mother inlaw she had a asthma attack.

She got her bill int he mail weeks later.

She got charged 350 dollar's for the air they put in her nose lol

High priced air man,..it was super medicine air.



posted on Mar, 11 2009 @ 02:40 PM
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Originally posted by tiso_us
How about this, get a dump truck full of cigarette butts and dump it in front of congress and call it 'Recycling'.


the dump truck would put of more carbon monoxide bringing it to dump there than if i lit all the butt's up at once.

that's a fact.
So it's two negative's too get a positive it never work's.

Still be nice to see lol



posted on Mar, 11 2009 @ 02:56 PM
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Originally posted by TheAmused
reply to post by Doom and Gloom
 


They charge the s@@T out of for air man.

I went to the hospital with my mother inlaw she had a asthma attack.

She got her bill int he mail weeks later.

She got charged 350 dollar's for the air they put in her nose lol

High priced air man,..it was super medicine air.


By the logic of some here I can say... Well they should charge more because I don't use it therefore tax the hell out of it. I don't need the oxygen they put into the bottles it doesn't affect me, so I don't care that you have to pay more. Everyday I hate the human race more and more.



posted on Mar, 11 2009 @ 03:36 PM
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I'm finding my dogs are much better companions and more loyal and truthful than humans. We get the government we deserve. I'm with you on the humans comment. At this point I think we need a slate wiper so we can start over.



posted on Mar, 11 2009 @ 03:45 PM
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That a common pattern in many trends. It's okay to tax the hell out of something because I dont use it. It's okay to ban something because I dont use it. It's okay to censor certain words because I dont speak them. It's okay to burn those books because I dont read them.

Most people are perfectly happy to adopt tyranny as a way of life just so long as the tyranny doesnt affect them directly. Some even get a little kick out of imposing pain and torment on others for doing what they themselves do not do. They look at it as a sort of "getting back at." It's their own brand of mixing their version of some "church" with government.

The taxers and tax supporters are all sadists reveling in the pain and misery of others.



posted on Mar, 11 2009 @ 03:50 PM
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Originally posted by TheAmused
reply to post by Doom and Gloom
 

She got charged 350 dollar's for the air they put in her nose lol

High priced air man,..it was super medicine air.




I want some of that air too...



posted on Mar, 11 2009 @ 03:51 PM
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You cry, whine, and complain, but in the end you are still bent over and talking it like the docile little b***h's you are.

Like someone said, I wonder how our forfathers would be thinking right about now.. I bet they would be thinking along these lines here.

These people would give a crap more about some American Idol than getting taxed out the wazoo for everything they enjoy doing. We should have let the central banks rape us back in the day and just made it the way it is today. All the blood and tears we shed for this country to be founded is just a waste of our time. WTF is wrong wit the people of the 21st century? Ya thats right a bunch of lazy useless good for nothing sheep they are.

Sucks to be us.



posted on Mar, 11 2009 @ 07:49 PM
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Originally posted by ThichHeaded
You cry, whine, and complain, but in the end you are still bent over and talking it like the docile little b***h's you are.

Like someone said, I wonder how our forfathers would be thinking right about now.. I bet they would be thinking along these lines here.

These people would give a crap more about some American Idol than getting taxed out the wazoo for everything they enjoy doing. We should have let the central banks rape us back in the day and just made it the way it is today. All the blood and tears we shed for this country to be founded is just a waste of our time. WTF is wrong wit the people of the 21st century? Ya thats right a bunch of lazy useless good for nothing sheep they are.

Sucks to be us.

Will you come to the u.s senate building and protest then if they announced they was?
Just asking.

Personally the government scare's me to death.


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posted on Mar, 11 2009 @ 08:06 PM
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Well...I live in a state where brand name cigs cost almost $8. a pack - the funds go to sliding scale health centers. They are raising the taxes on rolling tobacco and papers too...prices already up even though these new federal taxes are not yet in place. I've researched this and know that heart disease on average costs way more than lung disease and that the smokers in my state are for the most part funding nearly everyone's health care.
I would love to see a cost comparison in my state as to sex/pregnancies/STDs vs. smoking related illnesses vs. obesity/heart disease/diabetes.

I believe thin smokers are far cheaper to the state and fed government as well as to the hapless tax payer...that said I don't really believe in these "sin taxes".

Luxury taxes? Yeah! I'm all for those.



posted on Mar, 11 2009 @ 08:43 PM
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I was in NYC a couple times for the 9/11 truth movement. I have also been to DC a couple of times for rallies.

I do exercise my 1st amendment very very well..
Barking up the wrong tree.


[edit on 3/11/2009 by ThichHeaded]



posted on Mar, 11 2009 @ 09:34 PM
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I would love to see a cost comparison in my state as to sex/pregnancies/STDs vs. smoking related illnesses vs. obesity/heart disease/diabetes.

usgovinfo.about.com...

Smoking Deaths Cost U.S. $92 Billion a Year




www.msnbc.msn.com...

New U.S. HIV cases to cost $12 billion a year Study: Patients can expect to spend $618,900 for lifetime treatment


They live longer than cancer patient's..bigger tax burden.
20 years of treatment.

www.cnn.com...

STDs affect not only individuals' health, but also the economy, the CDC said the conditions cost the U.S. health care system as much as $15.3 billion annually.

kevincolby.com...

Teen pregnancies cost taxpayers an estimated $7 billion per year


www.examiner.com...

In a 2006 report issued from the Institute of Medicine, preterm births cost the United States and its taxpayers more than $26 billion dollars a year. That breaks down to approximately $51,600 per infant.


Add's up all sex related add's up to 288billion
Hiv patients live 20+ years with the illness..20 years of treatments.
sO 12 x 20 years = 244 million.

Would be more if you add if the mother need's assistance..the kids get free medical care till 16 i think in most state's.
based on there income.

So tobacco is second only to sex for costing tax payer's.

Remember The argument is smoking and soda pop is a option. or luxury.
Sex is a luxury also. and a option
I can choose not to have sex just as i can choose to. it's my freedom in life .
Many have went abstinent in there lifetime.

Just as drinking a pop or smoking it's my freedom to not smoke or to smoke.





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posted on Mar, 11 2009 @ 09:45 PM
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I have called and cussed our congressman out if that helps.lol



posted on Mar, 12 2009 @ 02:28 AM
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Thank you, TheAmused. That's great information but what about obestiy>>/heart disease/diabetes/disability/mobilityproblems/blindness/amputation costs? It costs a ton of money to open up a chest and deal with blocked arteries. I'm not picking on overweight people, I just think these comparative health care costs should be known before they start singling out one group over the others to lay a heavily regressive tax on them (the largest percentage of smokers are lower income...you think they're just a wee bit stressed out?)...I'm an ex smoker, btw. Most smokers don't get cancer, just COPD and the treatment is an oxygen tank and possibly some steroidal inhalers. That's relatively cheap. I'm glad I got out before I damaged my lungs too badly.






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