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Sarkozy: France will return to NATO

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posted on Mar, 11 2009 @ 11:13 AM
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My apologies to all for the error.

France did not join the Warsaw Pact
(Dear God, I don't know what I was thinking when I wrote that - probably had too much cough medicine or something).

I was recalling the "UNION OF SOVIET SOCIALIST REPUBLICS and FRANCE Agreement on economic co-operation" signed at Moscow on 28 April 1979. Which was not military in any way, but was looked upon with great suspicion by NATO.

Again, I apologize!




posted on Mar, 11 2009 @ 11:15 AM
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Originally posted by SlinkyDFW
So, it's okay to commit some of the hardware, and some of the cash, but only if it's convenient? Or France is all of a sudden in trouble?



That's just that Sarkozy (son of a hungarian nazi who fleed the Russian-Bolcho advance in the region) is fond of USA. Period.




A comment was made earlier that Americans were 'brainwashed' into their dislike of the French. That's not it. It's that we remember. The whole world watched when the bases were closed and all of the forces thrown out. That's why the Americans tend to believe that France would rather walk away from a fight, than stand alongside.



I DO AM REALLY TIRED OF THIS YANKEE KLICHé.

FRANCE HAS 1500 YEARS OF WAR AS FOR HER DIRECT HISTORY.

You Yankees are Kids in front of our war experience.

So pehleeeeez check out your own cowardise... Speak of WW1 & WW2 ?!?!?! How many years to enter both conflicts ? Might you tell me, y'all heroic screen-sitting dudes ?




Now Iran and North Korea are barking, and here we are again.


- Mere consequences of fifty yrs of US worldwide bang-bang policies...



posted on Mar, 11 2009 @ 11:19 AM
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reply to post by The Lass
 




The stereotyping c'est très désagréable


Agreed, it's childish.

The French armed forces are very capable.

And this would be, err, wonderful and all, if only NATO was an organization that still served any purpose.

Unfortunately nobody seems to get the fact that the days of worrying about massed Soviet armor pouring through the Fulda Gap are long behind us, indeed, they seem to have missed the fact that the Warsaw Pact no longer exists.



France should be taking the lead in building a combined EU military, and NATO should be disbanded - or rather should have been disbanded back in 1991...



posted on Mar, 11 2009 @ 11:27 AM
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Originally posted by SlinkyDFW
reply to post by Rigel
 


France should be a full member of NATO. As one of the largest Countries in the region, it needs to contribute the security of its' own land, just as Germany would, England, Italy....etc. I know they contribute, sometimes with soldiers, mostly with money, but until they get on board 100%, the ridicule above will continue. Just my thoughts...



I agree. But don't worry about our security on the "homeland" : may I recall you that France is the fifth army in the world ?


As for any threat... Well... Sure that a Tuniso-Moroccan Alliance would be a big challenge if ever realized...







and here is an article I thought was a little misleading:

www.diplomatie.gouv.fr...

It speaks of the will of the people, but it's not shown in it's actions.

.."The Alliance should be the special forum for transatlantic consultation so that Americans and Europeans are ready to work together politically and militarily within the Alliance when necessary for their joint security. France considers that the depth of the longstanding links between all the countries in the Alliance is a priceless asset that must be maintained in order to cope with current and future challenges and threats."..

Says a lot, if it were only true.



Same answer : Sarkozism.

This guy consider himself as a western man, not a European - my guess at least. But he likes to call himself - or pretending to be called - Sarko l'Américain - as ridiculous as it can sounds...

Europe needs its own armed force. NATO is an old geodiplomatic organ that is doomed to disappear in a world of cooperation with new powers like Brezil or India.





The threats in the region are real. I also have to remind people all the time that it's not the "North AMERICAN Treaty Orgainzation". It's Atlantic.

All the Countries seeking joint security and peace should get on board. The US just needs to back off some and let others do their part.



I'll just say : Propaganda.

NO THREAT in the present Europe - actually.

Except of course the time-to-time CIA Bombings of London or Madrid trains...





[edit on 11-3-2009 by Rigel]



posted on Mar, 11 2009 @ 11:39 AM
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I think OTAN could be enhanced by the formal establishment of an EU military, however not all EU members are part of NATO (par exemple Austria, Finland, Irelande & Sweden). That will come over time when the EU finally begins to bed down. Some nations such as England may have concerns about their armed forces coming under EU control but it's the way ahead & may reassure the United States that Europe is not forever being carried on their shoulders.



posted on Mar, 11 2009 @ 11:54 AM
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So your leader has already fleed his people once before, when they needed him most, and is now running your Government? And how did get this office? The people put him there. Is he even a Citizen?

I like you Rigel, you make interesting points. He may be a friend to the Western world, maybe it's the hamburgers and french fries, or the Supermodels he likes to chase around, I don't know. (Was he really drunk at a G-8 summit meeting?)

What I do know is that he is actually trying to get your Country moving in the right direction, for once. He may be "sarkostic", but he's trying at least.

Should you need help with your Morroccan invasion, NATO will most likely be right there by your side.

As far as your 1500 years of war experience is concerned (it's actually over 2000 years) ....you should be proud.
All those wars, for what? I guess that's why the Americans speak with an English evolved dialect, and not French.

Not fighting with you, just making a point.



posted on Mar, 11 2009 @ 11:56 AM
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Originally posted by Maxmars
Ironically, the French assertion of sovereignty and unwillingness to simply 'go along' with American plans shortly after World War Two was a stunning show of integrety.


Shockingly American in fact. Early America anyways...



posted on Mar, 11 2009 @ 11:58 AM
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Originally posted by Rigel

I DO AM REALLY TIRED OF THIS YANKEE KLICHé.

FRANCE HAS 1500 YEARS OF WAR AS FOR HER DIRECT HISTORY.



Actually, French military history goes back farther than that to the Gauls and the Romans. The problem France has with military history is that it has lost (almost?) every war - or would have without outside assistance - for that 2,000 years.



posted on Mar, 11 2009 @ 12:04 PM
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Exactly, and for over 2000 years, they have been practically trying to conquer the World. They almost did at one point! Hitler probably studied all the French invasions and thought he would try it out to see what would happen.

Maybe there's something going on that we don't know about, and France wants to try to conquer someone again, and they need help....again?



posted on Mar, 11 2009 @ 12:09 PM
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Originally posted by Rigel

I agree. But don't worry about our security on the "homeland" : may I recall you that France is the fifth army in the world ?


As for any threat... Well... Sure that a Tuniso-Moroccan Alliance would be a big challenge if ever realized...




Actually....this list has you somewhere around 22...

en.wikipedia.org...




[edit on 11-3-2009 by SlinkyDFW]



posted on Mar, 11 2009 @ 12:58 PM
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Originally posted by Rigel
Without France, no United States, historically.


Without the United States, no France, historically.


This story is making news just now? President Sarkozy had made it clear he intended to do this a long time ago, the date is simply symbolic. France also tried to join NATO back in the 90's under Chirack, multiple times. They were, ironically, rejected by the U.S., mostly, because they wanted command of NATO Southern Command at Naples, Italy. This precondition was not accepted, and so the proposal stalled and never progressed. This time however the U.S. is not adverse to France heading two commands when it joins again as a full member. These positions are common among the more influential members of the alliance, they reflect reality in military capability, theoretically.
One Command is organizational and the other is regional, located in Virginia and Lisbon Portugal, respectively.

Well, the french will be seeing a lot more of us on their soil.

[edit on 11-3-2009 by WestPoint23]



posted on Mar, 11 2009 @ 01:33 PM
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Originally posted by The Lass
The stereotyping c'est très désagréable


The French bring with them an aircraft carrier, 2 command ships, 4 SSBN's, 6 SSN's, a helicopter cruiser, 24 destroyers & frigates, 2 LPD's, 266 Mirage 2000's, 109 Mirage F1's, 34 Rafale, 350+ Leclerc MBT's, 200 light tanks, 4,000 APC's, 1800 reconn & IFV's, 80 eurocopters etc etc etc

Quite a substantial contribution to NATO, I think you'd agree ?


Don't forget the foreign legion, a mean ass bunch of people (cut throats perhaps?
) defiantly the sort of people you want on your side as opposed to trying to kill you!



posted on Mar, 11 2009 @ 01:35 PM
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Originally posted by Sliick
We shouldn't really worry. The french will do what they do best, run away



Funny. Reminds me of that fantasyic Bruce Springsteen song, they should play it in the Presidents Palace. The French needed saving twice last century by the Anglo Saxons. From what I've been told though the French made the quickest advance in Gulf War 1 so maybe it's time to let them join the party.



posted on Mar, 11 2009 @ 01:42 PM
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Originally posted by badgerprints
I am an American.



No US presence anywhere but in the US.

No more flotillas of multi billion dollar warships.

No more trillions a year in overseas bases.

No more time money and effort wasted in places where we are not wanted.



No More USA

No More freedom to post what you want.

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posted on Mar, 11 2009 @ 01:59 PM
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I fail to see how bringing our troops back to defend the US, where they belong, threatens our "freedom"


If anything jeopardizes our freedom here at home, it's the massive military apparatus we have spread around the world, and the epic deception necessary to keep the US taxpayer paying through the nose for it.

If you want an Empire, go someplace else.

Most Americans don't want it, don't need it, and are sick to death of paying for it. It does nothing but supply immature militarists a Viagra substitute.

This isn't "pacifism" or "isolationism" - it's called realism.

By all means, we should have a well-equipped, well-trained, capable military.

But it should be based here in the US, defending the US, not spread all over the planet. No other country on Earth does that the way we do. It's insane.



posted on Mar, 11 2009 @ 02:04 PM
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Originally posted by SlinkyDFW
reply to post by Rigel
 


So your leader has already fleed his people once before, when they needed him most, and is now running your Government? And how did get this office? The people put him there. Is he even a Citizen?
Should you need help with your Morroccan invasion, NATO will most likely be right there by your side.


Not sure to understand well what you're talking about.

> Oh - and the Marocco-Tunisia hypothesis was just a big joke, brother !



As far as your 1500 years of war experience is concerned (it's actually over 2000 years) ....you should be proud.
All those wars, for what? I guess that's why the Americans speak with an English evolved dialect, and not French.

Not fighting with you, just making a point.



Thanks for the information about France's history.


Let me just remind you that French Empire* once (and that was one or two century ago) was the biggest empire in the world...


Quel dommage that a young nation called USA decided through an agency they called CIA to discretly dismantle the Europeans empires by the mean means of two World-War well weakening theses disturbing Alliés, then more or less bail-out (Marshall Plan, Fondation Ford & Rockefeller"s activism, Stay-Behind, Gladio etc.) all the western europeans nations, - to finally try to develop their own empire with the help of military "junts" and other chemical facilities like Agent Orange or Napalm-BBQ-Parties.

WoooootWoooot ! Americaaaaa !



*I just wish you if not yet to travel through contemporary Africa to just speak french with millions franco-speakers most of the time nostalgic of the french eras...




[edit on 11-3-2009 by Rigel]



posted on Mar, 11 2009 @ 02:05 PM
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Originally posted by SlinkyDFW

Actually....this list has you somewhere around 22...

en.wikipedia.org...



Check out the number of Nukes, dude...



posted on Mar, 11 2009 @ 02:07 PM
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Originally posted by WestPoint23

Originally posted by Rigel
Without France, no United States, historically.


Without the United States, no France, historically.


Just two milleniums of history that made possible a messy two-centuries Experiment that was called the United States of America...



posted on Mar, 11 2009 @ 02:14 PM
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He's got a point. without the Yanks the French would surely now be speaking German, even more probable they'd be speaking Russian. Thankyou USA for saving us the Brits and those non too thankful French.



posted on Mar, 11 2009 @ 02:23 PM
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Do you know why America entered (soooo lately) the War ? I'll tell ya :

Because if France was now speaking German, USA also would...



Edit : ... and without all the Allied Forces, even Russians, USA would never had won that war.

Also, as the US soil was preserved of becoming a war-theatre (thanks the two oceans), the challenge soon reveals itself to virtually be a huge bucks-making machine... What GrandPa Bush had happened to understand well before any war just had burst in the euro-territories.
Ah the good old Roosevelt smoking cigars with his good friend Staline in Yalta... Just to cut well in two parts such a tasty big European Cheezy Cheese...




[edit on 11-3-2009 by Rigel]



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