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posted on Apr, 13 2009 @ 10:37 PM
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There are still a lot of differences amongst people around the world to have a NWO in place.
I ask you, how can someone who is promoting economic recovery, and saying to all those people who has lost their jobs that they can hope for a better future and that this mess is about to be over is an agent of NWO?


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posted on Apr, 13 2009 @ 10:58 PM
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We are about to enter a new era. One in which have never experienced before. For reference you can google G20 documents. Think global currency for one and all the implications that apply.

I saved my ass by listening to Dr. Doom Nouriel Roubini in 2007. He may have had some things wrong and I dont always agree but thank God I did before the sub-prime mortgage mess happened.


WOW, this one has got to be the biggest conspiracy ever.. Dont start spending your savings, dont begin to live beyond your means, pay off your debt.

Build up your first aid kits, emergency food supply, ammo, water, etc.


Baby boomers are getting ready to retire. Watch all Hell break loose when that happens.

FDIC does NOT have enough money to insure all the money, in the event all banks failed at once. Or simply BOA or Citi.

We must live below our means. I admit it's hard we have all been taught to spend, charge live the prosperous glamorous life.

If we cant pay cash for it we ar lying to ourselves.

You might want to read Suze Orman's New book.

Just my personal opinion.



posted on Apr, 13 2009 @ 11:04 PM
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I think perhaps the only solution at this point is to devalue all currency and form a global banking system. Yes the bad word "NWO"

I wish there was another logical solution but havent seen one yet.

Many people view this NWO a good thing. I for one am strongly opposed.

Others welcome communism. I am also strongly apposed.

I wanted to add one more thing. People can still make a lot of money.

There are still small business loans available, etc. I figure we have until about 2010-2011 tops before SHTF.

Make it while you can and save as much as possible. you may however be required to swap your cash for global credits.

I think some are with me on the implications that such a transaction would have. Very serious.



[edit on 13-4-2009 by wonderworld]



posted on Apr, 13 2009 @ 11:47 PM
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Ok let’s just imagine for one second that you are right, we are going to have a NWO. Then tell me what is wrong with it?

Countries and borders are just are imaginary lines drawn by us humans, borders don’t exist. Is it wrong to say that every citizen of this world will now be treated equally? I will like to know who else will benefit from NWO besides every people around the world. Is it the Elite? Power and control is derived from differences and Division among people…Divide and Rule…..NWO can only eliminate differences and Division.

Anyway none of the above is going to happen….. and not the subject of this thread.

Going back to the subject:

Citigroup, B of A rise on earnings hope


EW YORK (Reuters) - Citigroup Inc's and Bank of America Corp's shares rose Monday on hopes that the two banks will post the same sort of first-quarter profits that Wells Fargo & Co forecast late last week.

Citigroup's shares rose 12.5 percent to $3.42, while Bank of America's rose 8.4 percent to $10.35, after Wells Fargo reported on Thursday that it expects to post a record $3 billion first-quarter profit, helped by large mortgage refinancing volume. "People are saying, 'maybe that means banks will be profitable again,'" said James Ellman, president of hedge fund Seacliff Capital in San Francisco, which invests in financial stocks.





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posted on Apr, 14 2009 @ 12:30 AM
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The only way we the people can beat the corrupt few is to collectively abolish money and activate The Venus Project.



posted on Apr, 14 2009 @ 01:05 AM
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Yes!!

I own C, BAC, and ACAS. I bought ACAS at 0.61 and it closed today at 2.72 and I believe it is going much higher.

Nothing beats the US stock markets for personal business success. You only have 1 employee, yourself. Nobody gets in the way of your success. You pay the taxes and act responsibly. Plus, it scales perfectly. Every time. If you can double a dollar, you can double a hundred thousand dollars. Perfectly scaling operation with no additional costs. And when you really get on the side of Lady Luck you can get 4 times or 8 times or 12 times your money. This stuff truly amazes your friends and wows the ladies. I'm never going back to the old perceptions and horizons!



posted on Apr, 14 2009 @ 03:25 AM
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Nothing beats the US stock markets for personal business success. You only have 1 employee, yourself.


That's what I'm talking about! Several years back I read a book called "rolling stocks" and never looked back. Level 2 trading or day trading was never my cup of tea, I knew too many people had gone bust playing at stocks like it was a casino, but buying a stock for a month or three, when it's rolling up and down was (and is) easy money.

Traders are loving this economy, the ones getting hurt are pensioners, the institutional investors, fund investors, et al. I have one money market account that is worth less than it was 10 years ago. I only invested in that account out of charity for a friend, otherwise all those types of funds are useless in my book. Managing your own money is the way to go.

My motto is:

Carry no debt
Buy rolling stocks on the dips
Sell rolling stocks on the highs
Buy/resell property when the opportunity arises

...and keep a well-stocked, well-armed bug-out for those who can't adjust!



posted on Apr, 15 2009 @ 08:21 PM
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O.K you asked me what is wrong with a NWO.

Before I start I can be confident in saying you have never served your Country and you don’t seem to have that Patriotic feeling.

For one I am rather fond of our Constitutions and bill of rights and all the Freedoms that provides. I

am opposed to government interference in business, banking and bailouts.

I am opposed to global regulations that infringe upon my rights, although lately our own government is doing a good job at it. There is a fine line between Socialism and Communism.

Many who welcome this NWO also seem to welcome Communism.

Last but not least it is against my Christian beliefs. We have all been warned but not many have listened.

I started 2 of my own threads on this NWO subject. If you are interested feel free to take a peek. They are both still active, one more than the other.








posted on Apr, 15 2009 @ 09:25 PM
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NWO, Government, etc are the same thing. The natural order of life is you always have leaders and followers...leaders dictate and followers just follow...the same thing happens with animals and humans are no different. We human still follow the basic rule of nature..the fittest survive and that's it. The "rights" that you are talking about are given to you by the FITTEST and they can take it away from you whenever they want to. Question is what can you do about it? You are against the NWO and that's your choice...If you want to survive you joint the fittest or die joining the weak. If you think you are stronger than them then good on you, otherwise you know what is going to happen......end of story.



posted on Apr, 15 2009 @ 09:33 PM
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Going back to the subject....OP is still right about the stock market.

We are still waiting for the market crash( which as the days go by seems less likely), we are still waiting for Marshall Law (this was supposed to have happened November Last year).....guess I will never learn that doom and gloom predictions made on ATS never comes true.....I wonder how life is in reality



posted on Apr, 15 2009 @ 10:52 PM
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There is one major thing that bothers me with all this crap.

I live in Norway. And i hardly have any mortgage. I own my House, but i have a small mortgage on my car.

Last Christmas i got a present from the tax collector or who ever they are.
I got a card that told me that i had to pay 48% interest on what i earn to the Government.

I can get a reduction if i have a mortgage. The Higher my loan is the less tax i have to pay. But the other problem is that the banks had lowered the interests on my one loan, so i had to pay less interests. This again effected my tax of 48%. So when the tax collectors added things up at the end of the year, they told me that i wasn't paying enough tax compared to what i earn?

I had to pay the government a additional 9 800Kr on top of the 48% i already had paid.

The thing that bothers me is that i dont need to get a loan to buy anything.

But still i feel that the government is pushing me to get a loan by taxing me with everything they can think off.

I have no mortgage on my house, but still i have to pay a value tax on the house and property.

I have money in the Bank. And i also have to pay a tax on that as well.

Yeah global meltdown is over so let me pay the dam thing. That's how i feel right now. I plaid my cards right for 20 years by thinking that i shouldn't buy more then i can afford. I should of just spent money like crazy.

Now i have to spend 48%+ of my hard earned money just to get the idiots out of this crisis.

Man i can die happy now lol



posted on Apr, 16 2009 @ 03:38 AM
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The answer to your problem is to get more money.

There is some fractal something at work in the money markets, and the same type of movements are created on different time scales on different charts.

I've been staring at the Dow Jones Industrial 10-year chart and the Dollar Euro Index 3-year chart for quite a while and I am thinking that I see a pattern in the Euro, that occurs over about 3.5 months from May 2008 to middle August 2008. A similar movement has been happening on the Dow chart for about 9 years since the high in early 2000 to the point where we are now. On the Euro pattern the second retracement is not as severe as what we have seen recently on our Dow charts, but the two different time periods on the two charts look very similar in movement and achieve similar results. At the end of this pattern I see on the Euro chart there is a huge extended rally. If the Dow plays out a similar movement then the Dow would be rising to something like 17,000 where it would pause before moving on to 23,000.

So at the present time, if the Euro falls dramatically here, the Dollars could be going into the Dow at a fast pace. I think the Euro is about to plummet and help pump up the Dow. Everybody wins, and yet everybody says it is inexplicable. The news and gloomy forums are endless, calling for further downturn and misery. I think the opposite is about to happen. And that is why it will work -- the majority is not thinking of it. Of course, the news will have to explain it the whole way. I think it will be written off as Obama mania.

And the Europeople would get a great deal on the other side of the trade when they want to buy back Euros at a lower price with Dollars that have been multiplied. I think we should tax them for it.

The money falls out of the screen.... on both sides of the ocean!



posted on Apr, 17 2009 @ 02:19 AM
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Originally posted by THX-1138
The answer to your problem is to get more money.

There is some fractal something at work in the money markets, and the same type of movements are created on different time scales on different charts.

I've been staring at the Dow Jones Industrial 10-year chart and the Dollar Euro Index 3-year chart for quite a while and I am thinking that I see a pattern in the Euro, that occurs over about 3.5 months from May 2008 to middle August 2008. A similar movement has been happening on the Dow chart for about 9 years since the high in early 2000 to the point where we are now. On the Euro pattern the second retracement is not as severe as what we have seen recently on our Dow charts, but the two different time periods on the two charts look very similar in movement and achieve similar results. At the end of this pattern I see on the Euro chart there is a huge extended rally. If the Dow plays out a similar movement then the Dow would be rising to something like 17,000 where it would pause before moving on to 23,000.

So at the present time, if the Euro falls dramatically here, the Dollars could be going into the Dow at a fast pace. I think the Euro is about to plummet and help pump up the Dow. Everybody wins, and yet everybody says it is inexplicable. The news and gloomy forums are endless, calling for further downturn and misery. I think the opposite is about to happen. And that is why it will work -- the majority is not thinking of it. Of course, the news will have to explain it the whole way. I think it will be written off as Obama mania.

And the Europeople would get a great deal on the other side of the trade when they want to buy back Euros at a lower price with Dollars that have been multiplied. I think we should tax them for it.

The money falls out of the screen.... on both sides of the ocean!


The pattern on the Euro chart is happening from May 2007 to mid-August 2007. Not 2008. No doubt you thought I was crazy if you were making an attempt to see this fractal pattern in summer of 2008 and relate it to the DJIA. Summer 2008 set the Euro up for a major move down, yes, but I meant to say summer 2007 is the pattern that led to a major bull move on the Euro chart and so I think the Dow will follow through with this pattern and do some major climbing.

It is a climbing pattern, not a falling pattern. It is a retracing consolidation that leads to some good solid growth, only to feign strength and plummet before continuing again on long term paced growth.



posted on Apr, 17 2009 @ 02:34 AM
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Originally posted by Walkswithfish
Is this a good sign?

Or could this be a generated false bubble?

It is possible that the wealthy investors will launch a massive sell-off when the Dow reaches approximately 8,500 then the real collapse could happen.

I'd hold on for now, this could just be the eye of the storm, the worst may soon come.


we are now 8100+ nearing the 8500....could be by next week..lets see if we have the collapse



posted on Apr, 17 2009 @ 03:00 AM
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Here is a link to a picture that shows
this double pump rocket launch.... yfrog.com...

I am NOT saying the DJIA is going to mimic the future path of the Euro. Not at all.
I am saying that this double pump pattern can lead to huge new levels.
How it is going to scale... I don't know.
But it can go to a whole new level that makes you look back and go


Rattan, is the bull going to be tradable? Are you going to call that first break?
That I want to see!



posted on Apr, 30 2009 @ 09:02 AM
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BEVERLY HILLS, Calif (Reuters) - Sumner Redstone, executive chairman of CBS Corp, said on Wednesday that he thinks the U.S. stock market is at the start of a bull market.



posted on Apr, 30 2009 @ 03:14 PM
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Originally posted by THX-1138
BEVERLY HILLS, Calif (Reuters) - Sumner Redstone, executive chairman of CBS Corp, said on Wednesday that he thinks the U.S. stock market is at the start of a bull market.


that's nice i would like to see if he is backing that up with some investments of his own

because a recent article showed insiders of retailers/corporations are selling the most stock they have since the decline started in 2007....seems they are thinking they better take advantage of the rally while it lasts

www.bloomberg.com...

i think we can rally to 10,000 short term but the BIG THING for the bulls is the earning expectations over the 2'nd 3'rd and 4'th quarter.......earnings are expected to get progressively better or lese worse over the next quarter or two and then get almost robust by the 4'th quarter........

IN case you were wondering analysts have CONTINUOUSLY been OVER estimating earnings when looking out 2 quarters ahead..........IN 08 they called for medium growth in earnings over 1Q 09 and what did we get ....negative growth of more than 30 % and what happened was the market tanked in jan-mar when they realized the earnings weren't going to be there......so as of march the DJIA prices in an awful 1Q earnings but guess what this CURRENT RALLY has also priced in that analystis who are consistently WRONG 6 months out (on earnings estimates) will be correct in their bullish earnings assesment......me thinks they just wanted to MILK a bear mkt rally and suck in the sheep on hope.........Just watch The SHEEP will be led to SLAUGHTER when the market realizes 2'nd half earnings aren't there ...this will take almost 3 to 6 months

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posted on May, 1 2009 @ 03:53 AM
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Hello,

I am new here and have been browsing around for years for entertainment, info et al.

I trade for a living. The majority of my friends and associates are traders. I do not wish to irk anyone in anyway; however, no one I know is building long term long positions. This "rally" is generally accepted as a hope rally and does not have big money support

News is generally accepted in my circles as "garbage" and you trade your charts. Normal people trade the news. Most of us do not. If you are familiar with the term technical analysis the charts tell you everything you need to know. News is a distraction that doesn't not alter price targets, but will divert it temporarily ( sometimes radically). the market is not really random. Believe it or not.

Fundamental investors ( news, data etc..) are more prone to investor in multi year spans. The few I have met and chatted with are all still short equities and finance from a broad view. long coms and metals. etc. Most people other then the general public do not use this method. It is inefficient and more.. how do you say.. "guessing".

When we profit we are not "lucky". Also, most of us(my friends etc) saw this coming since about 2006 ish. So did the fed etc ( since early 2001). They are not fools. These guys are not inept or retarded; however, it is much easier to think that then to think someone would ahave known and was making money off of you. For us to make money you have to lose money sorry and short selling is not to blame. That is asinine.

The market moves in cycles and waves. The market doesn't care about you or your 401k it is a zero sum game. Smart money takes dumb money. If you don't trade you are dumb money generally.

I pulled my friends family and clients out of the market long between 13-and 11k and they will stay out until we crest the high again or we show a convincing turn at 5100 or 2500. There are much better investments. What about all the lost money potentially on a rally? Would you rather be in wishing you were out, or out wishing you were in? Right. This is not gambling. You never worry about what you could have made only what you could have lost.

Contrary to common belief we do not look at companies earnings or inside tips etc.. all you need to do is look at a bar chart or candle chart. It is all right there. The market is all patterns and geometry.

What we are seeing now, again, is a bear market rally. The term is "pump and dump" How this is foreseen to go is:

At first good news will trickle out and and then some more, etc.. and people will start to buy back in ( Joe and Sally 401k) retail speculators will enter the market looking towards 15k etc (get rich!!)... casual investors may even double up to recoup their losses. Positive news (inexplicably) will come out driving this sentiment. CNBC will be telling you good things.

Eventually it will get to a point ( if it doesn't collapse before then ) where even the most cynical people will have to admit it is time to buy and they will buy in as well. Around that time it will be market top and the selling will occur. The shoe falls or lifts when it seems like everyone is in or out. That is not an accident nor is it random.

We are targeting , again, 10-11k. I am looking towards the fall however a lot of my friends are looking much sooner then that(which i disagree with) around the 9k level. We wait and watch and react.

I am not even going to go into the plethora of reasons as to why this is not the end. You cannot "fix" these problems they must work themselves out. No one can "fix" this is has to run its course. There is nothing to fix, it is in motion. I don't "want" to see people on the street but wishing won't change the market. It knows where it going regardless. Personally I am looking to ride short dow futures until 51 or 25 neither seem out of question. sorry. Something to look at might be FAZ. might not. be safe and smart guys.

ST



posted on May, 1 2009 @ 05:31 AM
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In another thread I predicted the market will be choppy until just before Summer Solstice. That will be another good time to buy in. It will be a low, but not as low as March.
I'm pleased to see people interested in making money on this conspiracy website.
Keep the ideas coming!



posted on May, 1 2009 @ 06:01 PM
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Hmmm I wasn't going to come back to post... but I realized we are posting charts now...on a tin foil hat forum(no offense as I visit often). Which is very interesting. This is my last post.

lets "gamble"... I say.. we are 100% going to hit 614.3 before 1066 on ES (sp500) . I wish you all the best with your endeavors and I recommend watching the movie Pi.


ST





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