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Pupils think Auschwitz is a beer

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posted on Mar, 10 2009 @ 01:38 PM
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Pupils think Auschwitz is a beer


uk.news.yahoo.com

Some schoolchildren believe Auschwitz is the name of a type of beer or a religious festival, rather than the notorious concentration camp.

Around 1.3 million people perished in the Nazi death camp during the Second World War, but a survey of more than 1,000 secondary school pupils aged 11-16 revealed that a quarter still did not know its purpose.

And it revealed that, despite the Holocaust being specified on the secondary National Curriculum as a subject that pupils must be taught, only just over a third (37%) knew that the Holocaust claimed the lives of six million Jews, with many drastically under-estimating the death toll.
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[edit on 10-3-2009 by baseball101]




posted on Mar, 10 2009 @ 01:38 PM
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This is surprising ... i can't believe that this is actually true ... how could students actually come up with these thoughts? ... how could anyone let their children believe that Auschwitz is a beer, or a bread, or even a drink! this is wrong ... and there needs to be something done ... it makes the people who died at Auschwitz's lives seem utterly useless ... what do you think?

edit to add: there were also students, who when shown a picture of Adolf Hitler, thought it was Winston Churchill, Salvador Dali and Albert Einstein! what the?!

uk.news.yahoo.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

[edit on 10-3-2009 by baseball101]



posted on Mar, 10 2009 @ 01:45 PM
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Whether or not an 11 year old knows about Auschwitz won't add value or subtract value from the lives lost. I'm not surprised though, there's a lot of pretty shocking examples of this type of wrongness among students. Like how a pretty large amount of American students can't find the USA on a map, ect.



posted on Mar, 10 2009 @ 01:46 PM
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Setting the Death camps aside for a minute this is really a sad sign of how real world history is simply not being taught this is an obviously good example. We all know history repeats itself.

We are supposed to learn from the past so that we wont repeat the same mistakes. But what good is history if it's ignored or heck not even taught to the next generations?

A great example is just read some of what people post here on ATS there is so much misinformation about real world events and straight out lies it's just smacks of ignorance.

I understand that in certain school systems around the world that the subject matter is not really covered until College or University level of maturity is reached but in the meantime people will assume something that is written on the web is real like

Auschwitz never happened or Man never landed on the moon do the leg work it's all over the place.



posted on Mar, 10 2009 @ 01:56 PM
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Originally posted by baseball101

This is surprising ... i can't believe that this is actually true ... how could students actually come up with these thoughts? ...


I can believe it's true. With each generation, the horror of WWII (not just the Holocaust) is becoming more and more removed. At the same time, the perception of war is being filtered through digital media where wholesale death and destruction is becoming a screen-based adrenalin rush detached from reality and often detached from any sense of history. Even those based in history renders the scenarios as 'cool' and 'exciting'.

Also, I think the teaching of history in the UK is problematic. Unlike, say America, there's a lot of British or English history to cram into relatively small part of an education. This is why, traditionally, history education in England has gone from 'Romans' to 'Norman Conquest' to 'Tudors' then onto a bit of the 'Victorians' and ending with the selected highlights from the two World Wards. This might be fleshed out with popular themes of the moment such as 'Black History' &c.

I can easily believe the Holocaust might get covered but not in much detail and perhaps not even covering death/concentration camps other than very superficially.



posted on Mar, 10 2009 @ 02:04 PM
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This is one reason why `WAR` is so apathetic now - war happens to other people and watched on TV - which is why the counterstrike generation are being recrutied then don`t handle that there friends dont regenerate when there shot



posted on Mar, 10 2009 @ 02:10 PM
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Originally posted by SLAYER69
Setting the Death camps aside for a minute this is really a sad sign of how real world history is simply not being taught this is an obviously good example. We all know history repeats itself.

We are supposed to learn from the past so that we wont repeat the same mistakes. But what good is history if it's ignored or heck not even taught to the next generations?

A great example is just read some of what people post here on ATS there is so much misinformation about real world events and straight out lies it's just smacks of ignorance.

I understand that in certain school systems around the world that the subject matter is not really covered until College or University level of maturity is reached but in the meantime people will assume something that is written on the web is real like

Auschwitz never happened or Man never landed on the moon do the leg work it's all over the place.


You have put my thoughts into words perfectly.
I see the youth of today (and some adults), as being totally ignorant of the most basic history.
I am ignorant of many things, but geography and history (basic) are not one of them.
Star 4 U



posted on Mar, 10 2009 @ 02:15 PM
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Originally posted by ghaleon12
Whether or not an 11 year old knows about Auschwitz won't add value or subtract value from the lives lost. I'm not surprised though, there's a lot of pretty shocking examples of this type of wrongness among students. Like how a pretty large amount of American students can't find the USA on a map, ect.


Show me where a large amount of students cant find the USA on a map. I don't want to read about first graders either.



posted on Mar, 10 2009 @ 02:15 PM
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Pfft misleading title alert.

SOME pupils think Aushwitz is a beer.

SOME.

And who are to blame?

The adults. So go kick yourself. 'Cos it's your fault for miseducating your youth.



posted on Mar, 10 2009 @ 02:20 PM
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What is so surprising about this? It is only natural with each generation that those memories fade off. This is why we are bound to repeat history, hence our current economic bust similar to the one in 1870's.

Go ask the students who pol pot or the khemer rouge was they will repeat chinese dish and color of makeup.

Go ask american students about same topics they will probably say aushwitz type of sandwich.

How can the elites perpetrate the same acts over and over again if people remember them?



posted on Mar, 10 2009 @ 02:22 PM
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how is that misleading? i never said all pupils think auschwitz is a beer ...



posted on Mar, 10 2009 @ 02:34 PM
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I always thought Auschwitz was a place in Germany.



posted on Mar, 10 2009 @ 02:36 PM
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Originally posted by baseball101
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how is that misleading? i never said all pupils think auschwitz is a beer ...


and you never said some pupils think auschwitz is a beer.

It would be like saying jews celebrate Christmas.

Not some jews. Not all jews. Just Jews.



posted on Mar, 10 2009 @ 02:39 PM
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Some students steal traffic cones, hijack shopping trolleys and puke up their bursaries outside their local boozer.

Some students are satanists. Some students are artists. Some students take their filthy washing home to their mother and to her dismay finds the tattered remains of a porn mag amidst his crusted y-fronts.

But not all.



posted on Mar, 10 2009 @ 02:55 PM
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You know what - with all the really serious problems in modern education - it is actually a positive thing in a way. It is very very far from those "some" students, far both on time line and far from reallity. And it is positive. There are always those who are not interested in "old stuff". So place were a lot of people died/were killed /suffered is becoming "old stuff" instead of something real and close. And i find it positive.
Instead of some kind of open wound it is becoming just another page in "boring school book about some dudes killing other dudes long time ago".



posted on Mar, 10 2009 @ 03:05 PM
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Originally posted by ZeroKnowledge
You know what - with all the really serious problems in modern education - it is actually a positive thing in a way. It is very very far from those "some" students, far both on time line and far from reallity. And it is positive. There are always those who are not interested in "old stuff". So place were a lot of people died/were killed /suffered is becoming "old stuff" instead of something real and close. And i find it positive.
Instead of some kind of open wound it is becoming just another page in "boring school book about some dudes killing other dudes long time ago".


Really that was the dumbest thing I have read in a long time.

By what you wrote it is okay to forget everything bad that has happened because it is "old stuff". It didn't happen in their generation or it happened in a differant country so it is okay they don't learn it.

Sure lets do that.

Have you seen the movie Idiocracy? Your post made me think of that movie.



posted on Mar, 10 2009 @ 03:06 PM
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dont be to hard on them, i saw a poll of high school grads that 40% thing Alaska is a island



posted on Mar, 10 2009 @ 03:14 PM
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Have you seen the movie Idiocracy? Your post made me think of that movie.

I am glad that it did. A good movie.
It is not OK to forget about bad stuff. But everyone - you ,me,and other billions of people do that. Societies forget bad stuff, nations forget bad stuff.
However me,you and billions of other people cannot forget something that just happened or exists now and can hurt us now.
The positive is not that it is becoming forgotten. But that it (as of now) can be forgotten. Even with crappiest of school books and with lousiest of teachers, kids of people who went through all this could not forget it or allow themself to not know about it.
This is what i meant.



posted on Mar, 10 2009 @ 03:22 PM
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Originally posted by ZeroKnowledge
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Have you seen the movie Idiocracy? Your post made me think of that movie.

I am glad that it did. A good movie.
It is not OK to forget about bad stuff. But everyone - you ,me,and other billions of people do that. Societies forget bad stuff, nations forget bad stuff.
However me,you and billions of other people cannot forget something that just happened or exists now and can hurt us now.
The positive is not that it is becoming forgotten. But that it (as of now) can be forgotten. Even with crappiest of school books and with lousiest of teachers, kids of people who went through all this could not forget it or allow themself to not know about it.
This is what i meant.



If we allow people to forget about the holocaust or slavery then that opens the door for another generation to rpeat those mistakes.

Imagine 2000 years from now, nobody remebers slavery.

A guy says, hey I can go over hear, kidnap a bunch of these people and force them to work my farm or factory without pay. It catches on and soon we have a slavery society once again.

Same thing with the holocaust.

A guy rises to power and decides that a certain race of people are keeping his down, so he rounds them up, starves, tortures, exterminate and experiment on them. Just like Hitler. But nobody knows who Hitler was because it was "old stuff" and nobody cared enough to teach it.

My remark about your post reminding me of the movie Idiocracy was not a good thing.



posted on Mar, 10 2009 @ 03:37 PM
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I don't see what the big deal is here anyhow!

do they know what a concentration camp is? Isn't that enough?

I don't want to derail the thread but this is ludicrous

Nobody talks about settler colonialism or the slave trade and all is good
Ohh but if we don't speak on how a U.S. ally's people were victims then ohh noooooo.

Come on man



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