WAR: Spain to Pull Troops out of Iraq ASAP.

Originally posted by devilwasp
spain isnt as strong as america so its citizens have never had to deal with these attacks spain has never really had a terrorist attack

Errrrrrrrrmmmmmmm.

Are you serious?

Really,I think the Spanish people have a great deal more experience of terrorism in the last 20 or 30 years than most countries, including the USA.

I respect Spain's decision in withdrawing their troops. Is it a wise decision? No��

Why?

Although not intentionally, Spain have just empowered terrorists even more. It�s the same reason why you never negotiate with terrorists.

Ex. In the Philippines, terrorists kidnap people for money quite often. In most cases, the family of the kidnapped victim pays for their release.

It doesn�t take a genius to figure out that kidnapping is very profitable for them, which explains why kidnappings have become so common in the Philippines.

I always keep myself updated daily regarding the fighting in Iraq, and there have been several quotes by terrorists, trying to encourage people in other countries (that have troops in Iraq) to unite and over throw their government like Spain.

Bin Laden even referred to Americans as being weak and cowards after what happened in Somalia.

If you show signs of weakness, you�re basically asking terrorist groups to use you and rape you.

In the long run, I believe Spain decision to withdraw troops will have dire consequences.

Its very percular to listen to americans argu that the democtratic actions of a democracy in another continent are wrong? When the governments of France and Germany go with there popular will of the people they are villified while when other countries go against the will of there people they are praised?

Truth is this war was a very bad move and most of the euros know this. They have suffered wars in a way americans can never understand. Its one thing to lose friends in a war on another continent , its completely another level to be occupied by a foriegn power. If I was an Iraqi and the USA came into my town and forced there version of society on me with force of arms...Its hard to speculate on a hypothetical but I think I too would rebel and maybe even take up arms as well.

One sides terrorists are another sides freedomfighters and whats happening in Iraq now is turning these terrorists into freedom fighters....atleast thats the way its being percieved on Iraqi streets.

WHEN Australia withdraws from Iraq, it is to show the US and the world that we are not afraid to stand up to the terrorist lunatic in the Whitehouse. And that we do have a peaceful functioning democracy here.

Iraq has never done anything to threaten Australia, why would we want to invade their country ?

Bush can rant and bluster like a madman about all the cowardly nations that do not want to fight HIS war.

It will end up USA versus the rest of the world. Wait and see.

Spain IS apeasing a bully.....you know that giving into a bully makes them think they can keep you in line and you'll give up your lunch money again.

To the Spanish people...
Remember when you were bad a-s-s-es?

Who was a leader in the charge to discover the new world?

When the term Conquistador meant something fierce?

How about the Spanish Inquisition? I mean you people knew how to get mid-evil back then?

What hapened? Why now soo passive you'll give in to threats?

NO one else in the EU gave in to this threat, including the French and Germans....but Spain?
I never thought Spain was as wimpy as the French....
Heck ive expected France to surrender to OBL after his last tape...but never did i think the firery Spanish blood would run soo cool.

What have the Spanish gained from attacking Iraq? Remember that Iraq had posed no threat to Spain and it is also now clear that Iraq didn't pose an international threat, they didn't have any WMD's! The only thing spain has got is dead soldiers and dead civilians. The Iraq war has caused terrorism in their country. Can you be suprised that they no longer want to be roaming around the middle east with Bush and his coalition, placing 'democracy' wherever in the world he sees fit (wherever the imperialist, oil driven motives lead)

How about credibillity for standing up to a tyrant?
Respect for upholding justice?
How about not being a target for threats? (we'll stop hurting you if you do as we say IS A THREAT from OBL)
Ever been hounded by a bully? It only took once or twice of standing up to them before i wasnt worth their efforts....

Iraq attacks Iran.
Iraq supported hamas terrorists.
Iraq gassed its own people.
Iraq occupies Kuwait.
Iraq attacked both Israel AND Saudi Arabia during the gulf war.
Iraq continued to defy world community with inspections.

How much more of a reason do you need to stand up in defence of others, or is it ok to be selfish and hide yourself while others suffer?

Interesting and revealing turn of events behind the "curtains" of Spains haste to withdraw from Iraq.
I just ran across these articles mentioning "why" Spain left.....it is interesting to note three things:
> There was a secret deal between Spain and Sadr made
> The city if Najaf, where Sadr is holding out in, was the area that was under Spanish sphere of operations and control
> The objective of the hurried Spanish troop withdrawal was to "isolate the American troops in the expected assault of the holy city to capture al-Sadr �dead or alive."

Secret deal with al-Sadr led to Spain's leaving Iraq
Socialist-Connected Intelligence Agents Negotiated with Al Sadr to Cease Attacks on Spanish Troops


And here is a link to a Spanish to English trnaslator for anyone wishing to verify:
Babel Fish Translator


Dubious indeed!
One comment that was made was:

...an editorial on this in the Spanish press (in a newspaper that is anti-Socialist) and they said that Spain has gravely damaged its credibility with the world, and that it is quite possible that it will never be trusted again.

seekerof

Zapatero promised to pull out long ago.
It was one of the things he promised the Spanish people when he was campaigning.
That was long before Sadr was a real problem.

He reaffirmed his stance on bringing troops home after being elected.

He may have sent persons down to Sadr afterwards to let them know his intentions to pull out but I don't think they are pulling out due to recent events.


[Edited on 23-4-2004 by AceOfBase]

Just found this Geostrategy-Direct analysis on WND:
Al-Qaida revealed Spain strategy last year

As early as December 2003, al-Qaida-aligned operatives posted a communiqu� on the Internet spelling out the organization's strategy to force NATO allies to abandon the United States in Iraq. The strategy envisioned a wounded Spain as being the first to withdraw its troops from Iraq in a move that would be followed by other European Union states.

A 50-page report, published by the al-Qaida-aligned Information Center for the Support of the Iraqi People, detailed a strategy by Islamic insurgency groups in North Africa to achieve a Western military withdrawal from Iraq. The report, which appeared on al-Qaida-related websites, devoted eight pages to the role of Spain and its participation in the U.S.-led coalition in Iraq.

seekerof