Originally posted by huckfinn
For all of you claiming to desire to see a complete collapse...Know this. You probably won't survive very long after the collapse occurs, so why don't you just kill yourself now and that way the living can implement a more constructive transformation process.

Fact...In the event of a "Total Collapse" of global society and descent in Anarchy, a Nuclear exchange would occur within Hours at the very most and most likely minutes, as it should be assumed that the people who want a breakdown have already targeted the places to be reduced to flaming heaps.

So, for all those who want society to collapse start with yourself...I understand that Freight trains can be a quick and easy way to achieve your objectives.

I perfectly know that a lot will die if that happens. Chance of surviving are near zero. Even the veteran will have a hard time because our world is dying, food i hard too find if there is no supermarket, plus the amount of humans will give a hard time to those who really want to live. Im not wrong if i say a lot will go in the forest and mountains, emptying them of all food and water due to their overnumber, then starvation, absence of life in "natural" places, death, decay. But then why dont i kill myself now? The reason is simple: I Want To Live, i want to survive, if i cant, i still can see the new world. Whatever the new world will be, destruction, nuclear war, or renewal, i have all the reasons to continue to live.

I know it's been said on this topic before, but I would like to restate.

Most of the people wishing for this coming big collapse have the delusional idea that they are going to be the "star" of their own Post-WW3 movie. They seem themselves as some kind of Mad Max/Rambo/Ultimate Survivalist. They rest easy in their illusion saying "I've got a BOB and guns, so I know I'm good."

Get real. You will be messing your pants just like the rest of us. You are going to be an extra in this movie.

It's astounding really how many people have came forward to say that a total collapse would be welcome.

Your entire argument stinks of hypocrisy. Your entire premise is based on the world as you see it. You cannot see further than the USA or UK.

Maybe it’s curiosity that is making people feel this way, a subconscious will to see what the world would look like with no infrastructure. If that is the case then I put this to you, and by you I mean the posters of this thread, to take a step back from the world that you live, and by that I mean the western world. Forget about the government, and the houses that you live in, the internet and personal belongings, your cars and other modes of transport, running water and electricity, and think about what your life would be like living in a country that currently has no infrastructure, countries such as Uganda, Sudan and Darfur. Because what you are hoping for is exactly that. If the economy crashes and the governments are overthrown it is in all likelihood that chaos would ensue.

We are thought of as the most intelligent species on this planet. But as a mass populous we act like parasites and with no laws to govern us and no rules to follow we would in all likelihood kill each other. So once again I put it to those of you who think that what you are talking about is nothing more than a hypothetical situation... Go and book a ticket to Darfur or Uganda and find out for yourself what life without a proper infrastructure would look like.

When SHTF....

My opinion: we all should ban TV from our lives. Period. That "thing"
is crushing people to an ignorant state and has the purposes people
who never watch it know.

When the "work force" sees the economy trap, feels the lies and deceit
each day biting harder and harder, TV will show the best entertainment
ever.

When life is hard (this already happens), instead of change and make
things right, the "zombies" will still watching the tube.

When SHTF, the zombie nation needs to be corrected.

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Yes, i hope everything collapses.
Why? because i deeply believe that wil force us into a new way of living.

more peacefully i believe. Secret technologies have to be made public, because no man can pay his electric and gas bills anymore.

And last, but not least, it is a lesson. A lesson that tells us we need to think different. It wil makes us see that we must not focus on money and buying sports cars and high tech stuff while others suffer because they dont have food.

We must build some kind of new economy, in which you work for your community and just get everything you need or want instead of money. In fact, we must say goodbye to money. Because money gives people power and makes peeple greedy. Money makes people evil.

Originally posted by msm1003 Go and book a ticket to Darfur or Uganda and find out for yourself what life without a proper infrastructure would look like.

That's the thing. If these people want to live like that, then there are places that they can go. I used to know an anthropologist who lived in Zimbabwe every summer, with a hunting and gathering tribe. It's not a barrel of laughs -- sometimes mother nature just doesn't cooperate with you.

Originally posted by msm1003
It's astounding really how many people have came forward to say that a total collapse would be welcome.

Your entire argument stinks of hypocrisy. Your entire premise is based on the world as you see it. You cannot see further than the USA or UK.

Maybe it’s curiosity that is making people feel this way, a subconscious will to see what the world would look like with no infrastructure. If that is the case then I put this to you, and by you I mean the posters of this thread, to take a step back from the world that you live, and by that I mean the western world. Forget about the government, and the houses that you live in, the internet and personal belongings, your cars and other modes of transport, running water and electricity, and think about what your life would be like living in a country that currently has no infrastructure, countries such as Uganda, Sudan and Darfur. Because what you are hoping for is exactly that. If the economy crashes and the governments are overthrown it is in all likelihood that chaos would ensue.

We are thought of as the most intelligent species on this planet. But as a mass populous we act like parasites and with no laws to govern us and no rules to follow we would in all likelihood kill each other. So once again I put it to those of you who think that what you are talking about is nothing more than a hypothetical situation... Go and book a ticket to Darfur or Uganda and find out for yourself what life without a proper infrastructure would look like.

We are by no means "intelligent". An intelligent creature wouldnt destroy the world that permit it to live. We are only perfidious. We have the perfect body to create things, chaos things, metal casting, weapons, etc. In a normal human mind, there is nothing to be happy if the world collapse. As you said, people are used to llive in comfort, and arent able to imagine a world without houses, electricity, ready to eat food, clothes and where they must fight with their lives on the line to survive. But its what gonna happen, if you dont believe it wont change that fact. The coming world is made for solitary person. Humans group wont stand a chance until they have a minimum of organisation, that is unlikely. That kind a world is what we need, whatever u say.

Ok, I was feeling a bit depressed before. No I don't really want it to happen.

Originally posted by TheNetherlands
Yes, i hope everything collapses.
Why? because i deeply believe that wil force us into a new way of living.

more peacefully i believe. Secret technologies have to be made public, because no man can pay his electric and gas bills anymore.

And last, but not least, it is a lesson. A lesson that tells us we need to think different. It wil makes us see that we must not focus on money and buying sports cars and high tech stuff while others suffer because they dont have food.

We must build some kind of new economy, in which you work for your community and just get everything you need or want instead of money. In fact, we must say goodbye to money. Because money gives people power and makes peeple greedy. Money makes people evil.

You dont believe these secret technologies will save you dont you? If you do you are WRONG. You cant imagine what behaviour will adopt your own neighbour, it is an utopia to think everyone will stay together like in a horrible tale. Chaos is chaos, gandhi-like people will die first. Human nature is barbarous. Our current society banned this barbary, but it is always in us. And without this society, it will come back, you will forget all of these conditioning, once you are on your own, without anyone to do the work for you, haha a lot will get mad for this. You cannot builld a new world on chaos. It's hard to believe because we saw a lot of movie about end of world but these movies were still far from reality.

No.

In a perfect world...I'd like to see people stand up and take responsibility for allowing the demise of the Constitution and the USA without being forced into it by calamity...


peace

Originally posted by WickettheRabbit
I know it's been said on this topic before, but I would like to restate.

Most of the people wishing for this coming big collapse have the delusional idea that they are going to be the "star" of their own Post-WW3 movie. They seem themselves as some kind of Mad Max/Rambo/Ultimate Survivalist. They rest easy in their illusion saying "I've got a BOB and guns, so I know I'm good."

Get real. You will be messing your pants just like the rest of us. You are going to be an extra in this movie.

I couldn't agree with you more.
Too add to things, I see that life is difficult. It is unfair. We are powerless over those in power, and power corrupts. Most of us believe we are on such a moral high ground, that we would never behave like those we see skimming the cream off the top. We somehow believe that collapse would make things easier; that out of the ashes of devastation the great Phoenix of Justice, and Equality would rise take flight. Yet we fail to see that history is doomed to repeat itself, that it always has been this way. It is NOT governments that need to change. Governments have been doing what they have always done. The truth that we fail to see, is that over thousands of years, not much has changed with people. In fact, life is better for humanity than it ever has been. We can't see that in light of conflict, in light struggle, and of change. And things are always changing, yet they always remain fundamentally the same.
Those wishing for collapse do so only to mask their own impotent rage at the machine. Those not in charge only want to be in charge. Those aspiring to lead usually harbor false conceptions of what it is like to lead. Those SO cocksure that they would somehow come out on "top" after collapse fail to see how their mentality exactly emulates those they espouse to see toppled from the mountain tops; fail to see how much more difficult and unfair life will really be...
Get real...you don't want a collapse...you just want to run the show your way...and your way, in the end, will be no different than the way the show has been run for thousands of years

Allright personally I'm praying for collapse and anarchy because it'll weed out the socialist drones that have been brainwashed since the cold war and WWII. don't get me wrong I'm all for some peace but most people don't realize it but if you want peace in a situation like what were in now war isn't a preperation it's a necessity, if we are going to recover our economy and sense of well being and our society in general we have to go to war but when they start hauling us off to the FEMA "emergency" centers I bet that more than half of the "freedom fighters" will be nowhere to be found because they'll be bowing to the socialists begging them to spare their lives. if our founding fathers saw this s*** going down Hell would rain from the sky with their rage at what their country has become. everyone that reads this just take a look at this "wonderful" country of ours and reflect

Let it all come down so we can build on the ruins.
it would bring me pleasure living in the times were people stood up and brought the ptb down to start anew.

Well I am happy to say that what you are currently experiencing is as close to a collapse as you're going to get. It's a fact...I could prove it, but what would be the point.

The people who had a plan for collapse, don't possess the strength to carry it out. Apparently, the think they'll be able to convince Americans to destroy their own country.

So, you see that it doesn't even matter what you Hope for, as collapse of the State is not achievable anymore.

Better luck next time...I'll see you there!!

[edit on 10-3-2009 by huckfinn]

I'm an anarchist to the core.

I can't wait for the system to collapse so we can 'build a new world in the shell of the old.'

Exciting times we live in...

Originally posted by milesp
I'm an anarchist to the core.

I can't wait for the system to collapse so we can 'build a new world in the shell of the old.'

Exciting times we live in...

You're something to the core alright...I guess once this world is gone then you'll abandon anarchism and become the very thing you currently claim to stand against.

It's minds like yours that provide me comfort when I have to watch your bodies broken and souls ripped apart. So full of falsehood.

I'm disheartened but not surprised by what I've read here. The numbers of people that believe that a systemic collapse will result in some sort of 'levelling the playing field' is astounding.

I'm a child of the Cold War and approaching my 60s. I was raised with a survivalist mindset and am far better equipped in that regard than most of the people here. I was preparing and equiping myself when many here were still collecting Matchbox toys or Beanie Babies. But in NO way do I went to see an apocalyptic unravelling of the social order. I own several fire extinguishers, too, but don't hope for a fire.

Think back to Katrina. Remember the misery, death and despair of those people? Now, keep in mind that as righteously PO'd as they were about not getting enough help or quickly enough they DID have hope that help was eventually going to come. That sense of hope was what motivated so many people to work together.

Now imagine that same situation, spread across the country and around the world. Take hope away --- completely. No utilities, no communications, no entity capable of providing help. No end in sight whatsoever. Food disappearing, clean water disappearing, no medical help. People will quickly devolve to every-man-for-himself. Personal survival instincts will set in. Imagine this continuing month after month.

People feel that this chaos will provide a 'reset' that will usher in a more 'peaceful' period. That's pollyanna thinking at its worse. Look around the world at other countries that have devolved into chaos. There are plenty of examples. In no case does a peaceful, democratic society emerge. Instead, a whole new breed of predators takes control by force. Taking advantage of the disorganization, desperation and helplessness of the population. Some individuals and small groups resist but are brutally eliminated. Poverty, predation, disease and famine prevail.

Don't take my word for it. Study. What you need to know is right in front of your eyes. Don't delude yourselves. If the entire system implodes the suffering will be unimaginable. And I don't care how many MRE's, guns or heirloom seeds you have or how carefully you've built that mountain retreat. Sooner or later you WILL suffer.

Without question, the current system DOES need a reset. Things have been allowed to get way out of control for far too long. Greed, dishonesty, classism and disregard for our resource base has gotten us to this point. But any 'reset' needs to be done in a manner that protects social order. Any uncontrolled collapse will only cause the people most at-risk and those that are already suffering to bear the brunt of the ensuing apocalypse. That is hardly replacing the inequities of the current system with anything better. It only allows a new crop of thugs to take control and without any of the current social boundaries in place.

Think. Be very afraid of that for which you wish.


[edit on 10-3-2009 by jtma508]