Alien helped build Puma Punku, page 2

Yeah I saw this too on that program about Ancient Astronauts.

I was pretty intrigued myself so later I went online and went searching for more information... I have to say I was disappointed with what I've found it. While it still seems to be quite a feat to maneuver and work with those stones, there's been a lot of misinformation and exaggerations about this site.

Great points have already been made here. Most importantly, the site has been properly dated and proved to be less than 2,000 years old.

If interested, there's an older discussion here that has many answers, including statistical information, that pretty much debunks the "mystery" of Puma Punku.

www.unexplained-mysteries.com...

reply to post by enir nabu

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LOL that was what I thought when I saw the thread and the date. someone else watched ancient aliens the other night.
Do I believe the timing is a coincidence? no.
WHy not just state where you got your information from to begin with rather than calling it a refresher. At any rate they had a good point about the site and it is one that is not highly discussed so perhaps more ought to be done to evaluate the possibilites of the site and its origins.

Originally posted by NephraTari
reply to post by enir nabu

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LOL that was what I thought when I saw the thread and the date. someone else watched ancient aliens the other night.

Watched it also. Thought the same thing. TS, even quotes the program verbatim saying Humans built it, but were guided by Alien hands.

None the less interesting subject.

a look at wikipedia reveals a little about granite itself

en.wikipedia.org...

1. we really dont know how granite is made, but we have a few theories.
2. granite "rocks" (sorry i know) as it doesnt wear away very easy.
3. lots of things are built out of it. cus it doesnt wear away. they even used it as the rails for a trainstation (Haytor Granite Tramway, Devon, England) and its was those curling blocks are made of. egyptians used it for the pyramids


also they mentioned the use of emery (like the fingernail board) to cut it.
en.wikipedia.org...(mineral)

they could have cut the stones with friction, kinda like using sandpaper to cut. or like a demolition saw.

however, Naxos is a long ways away from lake titicaca (i love that lake name)

The Greek island of Naxos used to be the main source of this industrially important rock type. It has been mined on the eastern side of Naxos for well over two thousand years until recent times. However, demand for emery has decreased with the development of sintered carbide and oxide materials as abrasives.

as for moving the blocks......... i have no clue. maybe they wished it into place....

or built a HOVERCRAFT TRAILER WITH ALL THE VILLAGERS BLOWING AT ONCE TO LIFT IT!!!??? and 3 guys to push it. billows maybe.... who knows thats insane that they could make it to begin with

Originally posted by coredrill
I dont understand the basis of stating the age of Tiwanaku or Puma Panku as 15,000 years...

What is the basis of these measurement?

I have read that Tiwanaku started as a small agricultiure oriented village around 1500 BCE. it doesnt mean that the folks then jumped up into action and constructed the majestic structures right from the start.

The settlement grew into urban propotions between 600 AD and 800 AD and collapsed around 1000 AD.

But does this still account for 15,000 years????

Please check this link for a good paper on the radiocarbon dating of Tiwanaku.
Dating the Tiwanaku State

again......15,000 year old??

I would like to see some evidence of this as well. Where did 15,000 years come into play? However, I do think that it is possible that this site was pre-existing when a group of Meso-Americans came and built a settlement around the existing structures. It wouldn't be the first time this happened in South America. I remember reading that an archaeologist theorized this as the case for Teohuanaco(sp?). That site once was next to a farely large lake (evidence being the dry lake bed existing today, and the findings of a harbor leading out into the dry lake bed). Some geologist stated that the lake bed dried up some 5,000 to 8,000 years ago. So to me, in my mind, it is completely plausible that this site is much older than the evidence we see there today leads us to believe. When the lake dried up, so did the settlement, and many years later was repopulated by some group of people. It could have been people fleeing from the conquest of the Aztecs, who knows.

I will try to find some references to the above pieces of info, but to simply poo-poo this speculation as completely impossible is ignorant. And we are supposed to deny ignorance!!!!!!

Originally posted by UnitedSatesofFreemasons
Puma Punku is now understood to be at least 14,000 years old, essentially, right out of the stone age.

The site has been unquestionably dated to 550 AD.

Originally posted by UnitedSatesofFreemasons"Cave men" were able to build the most sophisticated stone work the world has ever seen.

"Cave Men" is a perjortive term. Ask Geico.

Originally posted by UnitedSatesofFreemasons200-450 ton stones, made from Diorit, which is a material that can only be cut with diamonds.

The stones are primarily red sandstone and some andesite, which is a form of diorite. If diorite is so hard to carve, how'd the egyptians carve the urn at the following link, 4000 years before Pumapunku was built:
iorite_Vase_Neqada_II_Predynastic_Ancient_Egypt_Field_Museum.jpg" target="_blank" class="postlink">Diorite Urn

Originally posted by UnitedSatesofFreemasonsEven more impressive is the exact cuts they made in the stones, 1 cm deep, not one millimeter off from edge to edge.

You're claiming here that the indians in Bolivia in 550 AD were using the Metric system.

Originally posted by UnitedSatesofFreemasons They also cut stone in such a perfect way so that they would be assembled like Legos, interlocking for premium strength. There are no trees around, so the crap they feed us about stones being rolled does not fit here.

The quarry is straight across the lake from the site. The stones were no doubt floated there on rafts.

Originally posted by UnitedSatesofFreemasons Some now speculate if they used some kind of metal to hold the stones together when in place. Not that the interlocking system wouldn't be enough...

The metal clips were used in several different sites much older than Tiwanaku or Pumapunka, in various places around South America.

Harte

Originally posted by shortywarn
while some dumb youtube hoax will go on 10 pages,,,, this probably won't and may be the best evidence to date of extra terrestial visitation

I don't think so.

The site, Tiwanaku, has been constantly looted since the area went into decline after 700 AD. It's beautiful and the stonework was better than the Aztecs who succeeded them, but it fails on a number of counts where "alien is the only explaination."

(for those who would like to see more about the place, check out Wikipedia as a starting point)
en.wikipedia.org...

Why isn't it convincing as an "alien site"?

Because the stonework in the area shows the technique gradually improving over the centuries.

In addition, the joints in the stonework can be seen very clearly: www.jqjacobs.net...

Compare that with the stonework in the Tower of London's chapel. There's more regularity to the stones and they're using complex columns and arches : en.wikipedia.org...:Whitetowerchapel.jpg

Even the ancient Egyptians used blocks of a more regular size, rather than hammering down what was available:
www.egypt-nile.co.uk...

Or the temple of Ramses at Abu Simbal (made out of granite):
picasaweb.google.com...

We have many examples dating to that time and earlier of monumental construction. None of it rivals, for instance, construction techniques of the early 1900's... like this courthouse of very hard red Texas Granite:
www.waymarking.com...

There's the exquisite Taj Majal:
en.wikipedia.org...:Taj_Mahal_in_March_2004.jpg

Or the stunning Salisbury Cathedral:
www.salisburycathedral.org.uk...

...but THAT was all the aliens could do? Grab local stone and put together a town and pier for locals? With irregular shapes and surfaces (not polished to a mirror polish like the ancient Egyptians did) and no delicate lacework or advanced and unusual shapes like a tower 800 feet high and reinforced with unusual compounds?

No cement?

They had advanced technology but could only carve faces from limestone?

I would expect a building by aliens to appear to be a thing of seamless joints and micro-precision rock block standards, with measurements of the height of every building so exact that we couldn't find any deviations. I would expect a covering on the granite so that it wouldn't chip or erode and complex interiors with multiple chambers. And plumbing. And unusual holes and plugs and outlets where devices were placed.

I wouldn't expect aliens to leave behind tool marks.

I don't see any sense in a race of aliens traveling zillions of light years to build a small town on a planet... a town that would be the equivalent of us living in shelters made of twigs and bushes, using stones to cut the twigs and bushes.

Frankly, I expect aliens to have better design and construction techniques. And a good grade of cement to allow the architectural spaces to conform to needs.

For those who didn't check out Bizone's link:

The true age of Tiwanaku has been determined, hundreds of radio carbon dates have been collected from the site, not one of them is older than 2000 years. ... It has [been determined] by professional archaeologists with professional equipment, not amateurs like Posnansky almost 100 years ago who worked before radio carbon dating was heard of, nor Rolf Mueller who's results were obtained and deliberately falsified as propoganda for the Nazi party who were claiming it had been built by ancient Aryans. ... The largest stone at Tiwanaku is known as the Bennet Monolith. It was moved and stood in a park in La Paz for a number of years before being moved back again. It didn't weigh anyway near 460 tons.

Source

Theres been so much crap written about this site I'm not surprised you're having trouble understanding the truth. so far its been claimed it was built by, Atlanteans, Lemurians, Aryans, Aliens, just about anybody but local indigenous people, who incidentally all the artwork its covered with culturally originates with. And ... the earliest South American civilisation anywhere on that continent is found in the Supe Valley, Norte Chico culture in Peru and dates from 3000bce.

Source
Source

There's plenty of other information on the link he posted as well. If you're intrigued by this topic, I highly suggest reading it. Thanks Bizone.

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- Strype

reply to post by punkinworks09

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Thats because The Natives of North america were more Environment friendly, regarding Nature as a God. All they did build on a grand scale was mound cities like Cahokia, Moundville, Angel Mounds etc...

Whereas, the natives of south America were like us...destroying nature all around them..breaking down rocks and constructing them etc.....perhaps

I don't know why, but the link I gave to a Predynastic Egypt carved diorite vase dating to 3600 BC didn't come through, so I'll try again.
5600 year old carved diorite vase

Harte

[edit on 3/12/2009 by Harte]

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wow -10052 points, I bet you're an alien


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