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Pentagon says Chinese vessels harassed U.S. ship

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posted on Mar, 9 2009 @ 11:44 AM
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well were they chinese navy or civilians . is there any chance they might be covering up smuggling operations in area by harassing us navy ship that might have noticed them. what they could be smuggling i don't know weapons, drugs, bootleg movies, i don't know but if cartels are using submersibles to bring drugs here to us why couldn't someone be using something similar in thsat part of world.




posted on Mar, 9 2009 @ 11:45 AM
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They probably just noticed the "For SALE - Going out of Business" sign on the ship. They were just the repo crew checking in on their property.


I never liked that ship anyway!

Seriously you are right. We would do the same to any vessel straying too close to our waters. The question is, is why is the MSM reporting it so quickly.

I read Military.com's newsletter everyday to stay relatively informed on the Military and there was no mention of it in today's newsletter.

It was 33 minutes old on CNN when I tagged it, but it had to have happened hours ago because of the time difference and it occuring during daylight.

The MSM wants us to know about this, badly, and quickly, why?



posted on Mar, 9 2009 @ 11:47 AM
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well were they chinese navy or civilians . is there any chance they might be covering up smuggling operations in area by harassing us navy ship that might have noticed them. what they could be smuggling i don't know weapons, drugs, bootleg movies, i don't know but if cartels are using submersibles to bring drugs here to us why couldn't someone be using something similar in thsat part of world.


That's always a possibility, maybe the PTB don't want any product moving out of the Golden Triangle now that they have Afghanistan running at near full production capacity?

Seems to be much more of some political statement based on how quickly the MSM reported it.



posted on Mar, 9 2009 @ 11:49 AM
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Capt IM SO SIK Was found in a dingy asking for political asylum in the west.


Well, hey, would he be interested in the number two job at Treasury?

Evidently you don't have to be a citizen to get top government jobs anymore!



posted on Mar, 9 2009 @ 11:50 AM
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Originally posted by Harlequin
The president of the USA directly ordered the admiral of the carrier group to NOT assist the liberty.twice.


That's interesting - got a link for that one. Sounds a bit like Obama is working up a list of little little things the Chinese are up to, the ship was in international waters after all.



posted on Mar, 9 2009 @ 11:51 AM
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jealousy?? nah, i laugh at the poor and broke debt ridden america and its stupid yankistaniy , who have ruined and screwed by the rich bankers , who made your nation a whore for israel , don't believe me ? read the protocols of zion ,you will understand ...


Believe me some of us understand a lot better than you imagine when it comes to this.

As they used to say on the old Skin Bracer Aftershave commercials...

"Thanks I needed that"



posted on Mar, 9 2009 @ 11:52 AM
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I'm surprised you never heard of that before

Wow



posted on Mar, 9 2009 @ 11:53 AM
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Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
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This might have something to do with what's going on right now in North Korea

China is North Korea's biggest benefactor I surmise?




It's more like North Korea is a prisoner of China.



posted on Mar, 9 2009 @ 11:55 AM
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I have to confess I can be the paranoid type at times. Ever since the false flag attack by the Israelis on the U.S.S. Liberty you would think they would better escort Spy Vessels.


Dude, this thread is about the US vs. China!!! What does Israel have anything to do with that?

We are talking about China deciding to shake a stick at an unarmed US Navy ship, and you bring up an incident involving Israel in 1967?

People really need to get off the I hate Israel band wagon. Also, that wasn't a "false flag." A false flag is when US attacks a US vessel and says it was "insert country they want to invade here."

No one claimed that it wasn't the Israel air force and navy that made that mistake to attack a US ship in 1967! Please stay on topic and keep the anti-Israel stuff to the threads where it might be applicable.



posted on Mar, 9 2009 @ 11:57 AM
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Back to the thread... take a look at this ship. It's a cat hull for whatever reason, and I believe that the twin hulls are capable of taking on ballast. (?)

www.msc.navy.mil...

Notice anything? I believe that there is a "lifting" capability perhaps?

It's happened before:

en.wikipedia.org...

Only thinking out loud, along the submarine lines that is...


[edit on 9/3/09 by cbianchi513]



posted on Mar, 9 2009 @ 11:57 AM
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OK time for an Eye opener
Yeah I try and see both sides I try to be fair.



posted on Mar, 9 2009 @ 11:59 AM
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That's interesting - got a link for that one. Sounds a bit like Obama is working up a list of little little things the Chinese are up to, the ship was in international waters after all.


The U.S.S. Liberty and her crew was another "research vessel" attacked by unmarked Israeli Mirage Fighter Jets and Gun Boats in the 1967 Six Day War in the Middle East.

24 American Sailors were killed and many more horribly maimed and wounded after suffering repeated attacks for hours by napalm, machine gun fire, phosphorous grenades and had sailors machined gunned down by Israeli gunboats trying to flee the ship in life rafts.

Reports suggest that Lyndon B Johnson had agreed in advance that the Israeli's could sink the ship and kill all on board and then claim it was Egypt who caused the attack as a pretext to the U.S. directly entering the war on Israel's side.

Google it to find out more. It's history, history about what sometimes happens to unescorted 'research vessels' and why.



posted on Mar, 9 2009 @ 12:03 PM
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OK time for an Eye opener Yeah I try and see both sides I try to be fair.


Bravo Slayer, I think it's relevant in this case though, as perhaps in reality, there aren't two sides but merely an illusion that there is two sides? That is kind of the lesson of the Liberty, your so called friends are putting you six feet under and or at the bottom of the ocean, while your so called enemies are the ones that save your butts.

It was another Russian 'research ship' that happened by on the attack of the Liberty that saved the Liberty from what was certainly meant to be a watery grave, where no loose lips would have been left to sink any other.

Once the Russians identified the attackers as Israeli any chance of pinning it on Egypt was lost.



posted on Mar, 9 2009 @ 12:05 PM
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Notice anything? I believe that there is a "lifting" capability perhaps?


That's a possibility they could have been running a submersible even inserting or extracting a landing party or VIP.

My best guess? Jack Bauer has been kidnapped by the Chinese yet again after saving President Taylor and defeating the Juma regime!

It's about time we helped that guy out!

Way to go Navy



posted on Mar, 9 2009 @ 12:07 PM
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The Chinese are just showing their unprofessionalism, the worst kind of weakness in a military force. They displayed such back in 2001, and had a casualty as a result, and have done so again. Furthermore, they have failed to respect traditional Maritime rules of conduct. We are in a much more powerful position to make apparent to the Chinese what it would be like if their naval ships could not safety leave port or venture beyond territorial seas.

They are taking our patience and professionalism for granted, it should never be viewed as a sign of weakens, but one of strength. We can send armed escorts in international waters if we so chose, but there is no need for that. Harassing a non combat ship in international waters in order to try and keep naval activity from being observed is weak. In times of conflict such tactics will not be successful, they are a measure of last resort and depend upon restrain from others. It is time for China to grow up and realize the rules of the game and not take for granted the courtesy displayed by others in similar endeavors.



[edit on 9-3-2009 by WestPoint23]



posted on Mar, 9 2009 @ 12:10 PM
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We are talking about China deciding to shake a stick at an unarmed US Navy ship, and you bring up an incident involving Israel in 1967?


Sorry it involves someone you love! For the record we are all trying to love them too.

The point as explained in other posts in the thread is how "Research Vessels" sometimes become convenient targets of political posturing, machinations and maneuvering.

Please don't call the anti-defamation league on this one. It's relevant to research vessel incidents. Sorry if it strikes close to home.

As stated in other posts on the topic, why did the MSM report this so quickly?

What is the political angle? Could it be an entirely staged incident?

If so what is the plan? What are they trying to accomplish in that?

Conspiracy site stuff...

Now if the anti-Defamation league can answer that, please do call them. I sure am curious.

Thanks and Solom good buddy!



posted on Mar, 9 2009 @ 12:10 PM
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Are you sure CNN didn't steel this story from ONN?


"Because the vessels' intentions were not known, Impeccable sprayed its fire hoses at one of the vessels in order to protect itself," the statement said. "The Chinese crewmembers disrobed to their underwear and continued closing to within 25 feet."


Serious? What? Have you EVER heard of this happening before? They stripped down while they blasted them with a hose?

And this?


"They dropped pieces of wood in the water directly in front of Impeccable's path."


What wood, from what ship? I don't get it... wouldn't the ship be able to just keep going? Seriously, I don't understand this.


He said the Chinese crew members used poles to try to snag the Impeccable's acoustic equipment in the water.


Used poles? Like fishing poles? UMM... I thought the acoustic equipment (the sonar) was built on to the ship, but I could be wrong about that.

[edit on 9-3-2009 by Techsnow]



posted on Mar, 9 2009 @ 12:20 PM
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This has been ongoing lately, this isn't a one time incident.

RAW DATA: Pentagon Statement on Chinese Incident With U.S. Navy


On March 4, a Chinese Bureau of Fisheries Patrol vessel used a high-intensity spotlight to illuminate the entire length of the ocean surveillance ship USNS Victorious several times, including its bridge crew. USNS Victorious was conducting lawful military operations in the Yellow Sea, about 125 nautical miles from China's coast. The Chinese ship then crossed Victorious' bow at a range of about 1400 yards in darkness without notice or warning. The following day, a Chinese Y-12 maritime surveillance aircraft conducted 12 fly-bys of Victorious at an altitude of about 400 feet and a range of 500 yards.

On March 5, without notice or warning, a Chinese frigate approached USNS Impeccable and proceeded to cross its bow at a range of approximately 100 yards. This was followed less than two hours later by a Chinese Y-12 aircraft conducting 11 fly-bys of Impeccable at an altitude of 600 feet and a range from 100-300 feet. The frigate then crossed Impeccable's bow yet again, this time at a range of approximately 400-500 yards without rendering courtesy or notice of her intentions.

On March 7, a PRC intelligence collection ship (AGI) challenged USNS Impeccable over bridge-to-bridge radio, calling her operations illegal and directing Impeccable to leave the area or "suffer the consequences."

The Chinese ships involved in the March 8 incident included a Chinese Navy intelligence collection ship (AGI), a Bureau of Maritime Fisheries Patrol Vessel, a State Oceanographic Administration patrol vessel, and two small Chinese-flagged trawlers.

U.S. Navy ships and aircraft routinely operate in international waters around the world, and this area is one such location where we operate regularly. Chinese ships and aircraft routinely steam or fly near U.S. Navy ships in this area, however these actions were considerably more aggressive and unprofessional than we have seen, and greatly increase the risk of collision or miscalculation.



[edit on 3/9/2009 by Keyhole]



posted on Mar, 9 2009 @ 12:21 PM
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The Chinese are just showing their unprofessionalism, the worst kind of weakness in a military force. They displayed such back in 2001, and had a casualty as a result, and have done so again. Furthermore, they have failed to respect traditional Maritime rules of conduct. We are in a much more powerful position to make apparent to the Chinese what it would be like if their naval ships could not safety leave port or venture beyond territorial seas.



Exceptionally well written and eloquently said! It’s a pleasure to star such a superb post.

Here is a thought though. These are the people who gave us Sun Tzu and the Art of War and War as an Art. Is it unprofessional or an elevated form of artful expression designed at demoralizing or humiliating an enemy?

Trying to get the kids to duke it out with Marcus of Queensbury rules in this day and age is rather futile.

Why and is it safe to assume the modern vestiges of this ancient culture steeped in wisdom and cunning would play the game by our rules.

Sun Tzu I imagine is required reading at West Point is it not?



posted on Mar, 9 2009 @ 12:26 PM
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Used poles? Like fishing poles? UMM... I thought the acoustic equipment (the sonar) was built on to the ship, but I could be wrong about that.


My understanding is that many sonar arrays are dragged under the water tethered to the ship by wires. It's not only an expensive piece of equipment to loose but loosing one in the middle of a mapping survey would pretty much ruin the survey itself.



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