Well all those people who are against Icke need to take a second look at him and his books. He has been talking about what we are seeing right now for over 15 years.

Putting the reptilian theory aside, everything else i believe is spot on. The governments, not just the US, are leading us down the path to a reality that is just like that written by G.Orwell in the book 1984.

Its time we listen to such people as Icke, wake up and start to see the lies everywhere spread by the governments.

Times are changing, it is up to us to make the change a positive one for the human race.

We need to stop arguing on the finer details and come together as one and agree that there is a problem in soceity that stems directly from governments, not the people.

Great message Icke, keep it up.

Peace and Love.

Originally posted by Blaine91555

Originally posted by easynow
why is this thread not the number one topic on the board right now ?

I think because all the wind has been taken out of the violent peoples sails by logical posters, so there is no room for them to spew nonsense. There is not much else to discuss other than to say, Icke is right.

SPOT ON!

Its about time people start believing Icke (not everything) but at least hear him out and not bash him as an idiot which he is definately not.

David Icke - i salute you Sir!

Sometimes I feel like Taiwan is a model for the new world order, just as China is already (as Alex Jones explained in the Endgame).

How do I know? I've been living in Taiwan for three years. The president was elected through media manipulation. He made everyone believe that the economy was going to go sky high, while the US was already in unconfirmed recession.

Everyone voted for him through blind greed, and invested wholeheartedly until many went bankrupt. We didn't listen to him, as he already proved a poor and untrustworthy mayor of Taipei before, but many did, and he won the elections through a landslide victory.

So here's the thing about the encouragement of riots by the government. It is clear that there are a fair amount of people in Taiwan who don't support unification with the "dear" neighbors who happen to be pointing 1500 missiles at us as I write this message, and give Taiwan the choice between so-called peaceful unification or war.

Yet, the present incompetent president (or possibly competent by pretending to be incompetent) invites these Chinese leaders here, who have always expressed their strong opinion on how Taiwan should unite with China. To everyone's surprise (NOT!), someone is bound to attack these guys.

It appears that the president is encouraging riots so that there will be no choice but to bring in a police state (as we have seen in November 2008 in Taiwan). For this reason he provokes the people by making unreasonable decisions that will obviously make a lot of people furious.

Why not also make the Chinese angry by attacking their politicians in Taiwan, and let them come here and show the people a thing or two about what "police state" means (reminder: 228, 1947). If you look at Wikipedia, it says the KMT stands for eventual unification, but not for now, as it's not accepted by the people. Now we are about the sign an economic cooperation agreement with them.

Riots don't lead to the downfall of any leaders that we are rioting against, do they? If a woman throws pea soup into a man's face, he will go and clean it up and continue as he did before pushing for carbon tax while encouraging the third runway at Heathrow Airport in London to be used for increased air traffic.

They always get what they want by manipulating the people. The people are rioting because the government wants them to. Wesley Tarpley calls it color revolution, mass mobilisation in his book on Obama - The Post Modern Coup. The government encourages people to riot in order to attain their goals even sooner.

When the president of Taiwan said he heard the people, he sent out the police after them. That's how well he heard them. What's the point of protesting against someone like him? He'll just sit in his office laughing at the people as he comes closer and closer to attaining his goal of unification with China.

Any one saying that violence is the answer should be at the front line when the time comes, what that? oh you are busy on that day, what about the next day.

People always go for violence first.

Look at the Berlin wall, I remember the day that it came down. Something unthinkable then.

When the time is right the people will rise up, the Army, police etc will not hinder them because they are right. The establishment will fall. Like all great powers Americas time will come.

The establishment will try and control the situation but like dominoes or a house of cards the inevitable will happen.

I remember decades ago (and even these days) watching the news about riots breaking out in eastern Europe, Middle East, and Africa. I asked myself "what are they rioting about?" Being older and having learned about a small fraction of their history, oppression, horrible living conditions, genocide, etc. I can at least understand that there's not a whole lot of reason to do anything else. I can envision if us Americans were to riot just how ridiculous that would look to those in such dire circumstances. Because of my love and respect for those people, I would not make a mockery of the only choice they have left.

[edit on 10-3-2009 by saint4God]

Be very, very aware of anyone who starts rioting, or encourages others to do so, amid peaceful demonstrations. Who are they and why are they doing this when it is handing all the aces to the system to impose a Police State? They are either stupid or agents of that State.

Wise words but hard to apply. Why? I've been witness to situations in which masses even though were warned not to riot, if the government wants you to, then you are going to riot. Unfortunately masses are easily manipulated and it doesn't take much for a couple of agents to fuel a protest and turn that into a violent action. I've seen it happen and is unavoidable. Touch people where it hurts them the most and you'll see the reaction. If we were to be so much correlative with each other then the world would have been a different place wouldn't it? People despite the disastrous economical situation, despite the dark pit their lives are getting into day by day, still believe there is going to be e recovery, things are gonna get better, government loves us all, there is a bright future and love e and pace...:p Oh my...oh my... And in the moment you threat their existence, take away their daily bread, their freedom, their rights...you think somebody is going to sit at the corner and think that this is done in purpose so people can riot and the government can take over whatever is left from them? Nahhhh... bear with common sense. Nobody will bother to think twice. I wish I'm wrong but history speaks in my defense. The best we can do is to spread the information and make aware whomever is close to us and is willing to listen to us. At least at the end somebody is going to be aware enough to say NO and maybe became the core of the future human kind resistance.

free_spirit_earth,
I can't have an informed-enough opinion on Icke, but with the rest of your words I totally agree.

ElectroMagnetic Multivers,
I partially agree. Non-compliance is part of the way to go. But a larger part is accepting our responsibilities.
Not paying taxes will not solve the problem. There do exist some things that taxes are useful for. Not paying your mortgage is not right. It's your responsibility to pay off money you borrowed. Just demand a fair deal (because chances are your current deal isn't fair ).
Same applies for utilities, in a way. You consume power / water. So you have to contribute your part. It's just that the system is structured in such a way that we pay a lot more for what we get.

While on the topic of public utilities, it should be quite obvious among ATSers that among them, power & telecoms could easily be provided for a very small fragment of the current (monetary and environmental) cost. We have to work our way to that goal, guys...

Walkswithfish,
I agree with you my friend. Self-sustainability is the way to go. Depending on the (whatever) system is the easy way to go and it promotes sloth. We have to be responsible to ourselves, the others and this planet we live on...

Originally posted by ohh_pleasee
Personally I think we should shut off the t.v. and people should stop paying their taxes. EVERYONE.

The system cannot stand when we realize we are the ones holding it up 100%.

But then again, try to convince someone that they don't want their little charity slice back from the government.

That may not even be the correct way to go about it, but regardless, its the monetary system that is in control. If there is a change that needs to be made, it needs to be made there.

THe only way to stop paying taxes is to change your deductions at your employment to the max you can claim, then don't file next year. It's tempting in the present economy. It would give me an extra $400 a month take home pay.