Thank you Truth
Reply to Socratic Question from TruthWithin
Q1 Can you say with 100% certainty that all of the planes in the sky right now are for flight only and in no way are spraying chemicals (other than
engine exhaust) that are expelled to create a certain effect?
All of them? No.
There will be planes flying somewhere in the world dusting crops. There will be water bombers putting out forest fires. There will be aircraft seeding
clouds. There may
be some limited military testing going on, but as I said in my previous post, those things most certainly do not fall under
the bracket of "chemtrails" in the everyday sense. They are a side issue, and one I will address later.
Heres a typical situation.
Joe Sixpack goes out into his garden. Its a lovely day.
The sun is out, the sky is blue, and theres not a cloud to spoil his view (its probably raining in his heart though, but thats a different matter) and
he's sitting in a recliner sipping a beer and catching some rays when he notices a line in the sky that sits there for an hour or more, and slowly
starts to spread out.
"Whoa" he thinks, "My perfect Buddy Holly moment has been ruined. What is that thing, and how come its not going away?"
So he goes back into his house, turns on the PC, and spends the next five hours slowly drifting into paranoid psychosis that plays on his worst
nightmares. What Joe really
needs to do (apart from grab another beer and go back and top up his tan, he's a bit pasty), is talk to a
meteorologist and a pilot. What he does instead is rely on ignorance, and - sadly - lies.
Lets deal with some of the biggest lies first, heres four of them.
Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies....
Lie No.1 - persistent contrails
Some of the zealots
(I call them "chemtrailers") involved in propagting the chemtrail myth will argue that there is a visible difference
between a "chemtrail" and a contrail. Again, don't be fooled.
The argument is that "chemtrails" persist, while contrails don't. If I had a dollar for everytime I've seen the argument that contrails can't
persist put forward by a chemtrailer over the years, I'd have approximately $1745 by now (okok...I'm guessing there).
Simply put, contrails can and do persist, in the same manner that clouds tend to stick around for a while. Its all to do with the relative humidty of
the atmosphere at height. If conditions are correct, the trail may last for several hours. It may get dispersed by wind, forming a cirrus cloud
(cirrus are thin, wispy clouds). I refer you intially back to the link I posted previously regarding contrails, and also to NASA here, as they pay
their scientists to explain things a hell of a lot better than I can;
Contrail Identification Chart and Formation Guide
Contrails can, and do persist. Persistent contrails were first properly observed in World War 2, when the bomber streams of the RAF, Luftwaffe and
USAAF cris-crossed the European continent. They are nothing new.
Lie No.2 - Grid patterns
"You can tell when they are spraying, because the lines are in grid patterns"
Heres an interesting resource that people might like to play with;
Airline routemaps (dotcom)
In 2007 29.5 million commercial
flights took place. Thats roughly 80,000 flights a day globally. Add to that military traffic (which on global
terms I estimate will be less than 1% of the commercial flights figure) and Thats an awful lot of things in the sky. (LA-X for example, hosted
61,895,548 passengers in 2007)
Two things come to mind here. Firstly, the map site I linked above shows the main arterial air-routes. Those are like highways in the sky. The old
addage that the "shortest distance between two points is a straight line applies perfectly to air operations. Planes travel on set routes, in set
corridors, similar to train tracks. Their movements are controlled, and diversions only take place because of emergencies or extreme weather patterns.
As with train tracks, those routes cross, separated by height and if they cross in areas of favourable atmospheric conditions for contrails, theres
going to be crosses in the sky.
Furthermore, as the saying goes - "what goes up, must come down". And it does. But it can't come down all at once.
Airports employ holding and stacking patterns. Aircraft approching the landing strip, in busy times, are assigned areas of the sky to wait in. Those
areas can be tens of miles wide, and 1-3 miles deep
depending on how busy things are on the ground. In his post above, my opponent has kindly
linked a picture of what a holding pattern looks like in favourable contrail conditions. (Thanks Truth!).
Combine air lanes, and holding/stacking patterns, and grids appear. Oddly, they appear mainly over urban areas. Why? Well because thats where the
Lie No.3 - Persistant contrails are a new thing, and theres much more of them now that their used to be, which proves that spraying is
As I noted above, the first persistant contrails were observed in WW2. They most certainly are not a new thing.
As for the increase in them, well, is it really any suprise that the increase in regular air travel has caused more contrails? Think about it. Air
travel has increased an average of 4.38% a year in the past 20 years (Heres the maths, in 2007, there were 29,500,000 commercial flights, that means
that in 1987, there were "only" 12,596,447 flights - less than half the 2007 figure). More planes = more chances for contrails = more observation of
contrails. Its not rocket science (its meteorology!)
Lie No.4 - Samples have been taken from chemtrails in (insert town here) where heavy "spraying" occured that prove there are increased amounts of
(insert chemical name here) in the air! They're spraying us!!!!1111!!!!!1
Of all the chemtrail lies, this one is the one that preys most on peoples out and out gullibility. Let me explain.
Firstly, there are some concepts that you need to understand. They are very simple, but few people fail to grasp them.
The first is this - the sky is huge
And by that I mean that when you look up, you have no frame of reference whatsover, unless you have a radar system or a complex opto-mechanical
measuring device. We live in a 3D world, and yet we very rarely comtemplate "up" as a distance to factor in.
Contrails have a tendency to form at about
26,000ft, and above. 26,000ft is 8666 yards, or 4.9miles
UP. (Conditions may vary, due to the
The second is this - the atmosphere is not uniform from top to bottom.
What we experience at ground level, is not the same as what is going on at 26,000ft. Theres a couple of reasons for that, the first is friction,
because at ground level the atmosphere moves slower because of ground effects. The second is thermal induction, whereby over land masses the
atmosphere tends to heat up differently than it does over oceans, causing rising and dropping air temperatures. Warm air rises and cold air sinks,
producing weather patterns and wind.
The wind speed five miles up is not the wind speed at ground level. Anything ejected out of a plane at five miles up in aerosol form is, therefore,
not coming straight down, due to the effects of atmospheric dispersal. Anyone who claims they saw a "chemtrail" form above them, and that something
came down over them in minutes enabling them to take a sample of it is lying. Its akin to claiming that you have caught smoke in a jar from a
bonfire burning 5 miles awat
. There is a reason why crop dusting is done at low level and this is it.
Not only that, but the atmosphere is polluted
from all kinds of sources, including factories, power stations, mining activites, dust, nuclear
explosions, industrial process, automobile exhausts etc.
For more information on this, I draw your attention to ATS's very own Chadwickus, and his thread
Manufacturing Industry - The REAL Chem Trail
which details some of just what is in the
air around us.
And remember, the "samples" referred to are taken only after
the event. There are no background samples, and no constant air quality
monitoring carried out in these cases. In other words, no one knew what was in the air before hand. If thats the case, how on earth can they claim
that something else was introduced into it?
In my next post, I'll be looking into the paranoia
aspect of chemtrails.
Socratic Question to TruthWithin
Q1. You said this in your previous reply;
No. However, if I was dumping out chemicals with the intention of killing people, no one would be able to tell the difference from 1000 feet away.
Given that you are not (to my knowledge) an evil genius mastermind for the NWO, why is it, do you think - that the people supposedly carrying out the
"spraying" of the alledged chemicals decide to do it in broad daylight where people can see it happening, and not at night-time, when the majority
of the populace is asleep, and would never have noticed what was going on?
I hand the floor back to my esteemed opponent.