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Famed Pastor Predicts Imminent Catastrophe

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posted on Mar, 9 2009 @ 01:49 PM
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True prophets of God are never wrong. They are exact and specific. Read about any of the phophets in the old testament...they spoke exactly what God intended to do and it happened exactly as stated. And, most of the time, these dire warnings came with an "out", typically repenting from whatever they were doing to bring about God's wrath. And God honored those thay did repent.

What gets me about today's prophets is that they claim to hear from the Holy Spirit and then link that back to a verse in the Bible. There's nothing specific about their warnings.

He says he feels compelled to share what is on his heart. That's fine and I feel like its all going to pot as well. But, if this is what God intended, I think He would be very specific about what is to happen. Now, I certainly don't want any of this to be true, but this is just another vague prediction in my opinion.

If God were speaking something to someone in a prophetic manner, I would expect that a phophet's message would include specific, when, where and the outcome AND what is needed to happen so that it didn't happen.

Just the way I see it.




posted on Mar, 9 2009 @ 01:50 PM
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I was raised in a fundamentalist christian family, and I've been hearing about the coming catastrophes for as long as I can remember.

There are groups of people that want the end of the world so badly they can taste it.
People are willing to believe in someone they think gets messages from God. Then they kill themselves en masse, or sell everything they own and go out to a hilltop and wait for God to rapture them. And get very tired of waiting because it doesn't happen. And then the pastor "reworks" his prophecy or math or whatever and discovers his mistake about the date and it starts over.

Yes... things in the world are bad and getting worse.
But as soon as I hear one of these predictions from a "Pastor" I just yawn.



posted on Mar, 9 2009 @ 01:50 PM
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Originally posted by kiddjay25
who cares hes a pastor is the op trying to fluff him up to be a modern day nostradomus. This is classic fear mongering...


Kiddjay in another thread you said you are ex-army and you are ready to fight the NWO etc. You even said you were looking forward to it.

Yet in a thread regarding just a different version on the same thing, you call it fear-mongering.

This is known as talking out of both sides of your mouth. And Kiddjay I am sorry to use your post as an example but just know there are tons of them just like yours.





[edit on 9-3-2009 by Bombeni]



posted on Mar, 9 2009 @ 01:54 PM
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How much more specific do you want him to be?

I studied a bit on him and I don't think he is trying to gain anything for himself and from what I can tell he has done a whole lot of good in this world. He's almost 80 years old, I doubt he is trying to scam anyone.



posted on Mar, 9 2009 @ 02:13 PM
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Originally posted by 2 cents
After some thought I decided to post this after reading that article on drudge and seeing this thread.

- This morning my GF woke up from a disturbing dream. She dreamt that things, like shooting stars, were streaking down from the sky. Then she saw large balls of fire as bright as the sun. Many other things happened but the most important thing was this. She tried calling her mom on the cell phone and finally got through. Her mom was calm and told her she would try to get home. Then her mother said, as if it were a recording, "if you can hear this it is Tuesday the 7th."

When my GF woke she immediately went to the calendar to see when a Tuesday the 7th occurred next. There are two dates coming soon. April and July of 2009. I did not see this article until this evening. I read it to my GF. She found it disturbing. Neither of us are Christian or religious.

I trust her dreams as she has had very accurate prophetic dreams before but nothing on this scale. I have no idea if anything like any of this will occur. I am NOT sounding any warnings. I merely pass it along as something to keep in mind and to see if any others have had similar experiences. I hope nothing like this ever happens.

Don't flame me for posting this. I am merely relaying a personal experience that may mean absolutely nothing.


[edit on 8-3-2009 by 2 cents]


HI 2cents great post.

Just wondering if your gf watches sci-fi or interesred in this subject?



posted on Mar, 9 2009 @ 02:26 PM
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David Wilkerson is one of the only pastors I have ever fully trusted and believed to be a true man of God. He is not out for publicity or to seek monetary gain. I am going to take heed to what the Holy Spirit has told him and prepare. What is the worst that can happen? I have an extra 30 day supply of food. Please if you have time research about David Wilkerson and the ministry he runs for troubled teens in his city and across America. He truly is the real deal...


As I said earlier, I had never heard of this man before this thread, but I defend his right to say it. Furthermore, I agree with you about stocking extra food, for many reasons.
I actually have enough food for my family and my childrens' families for one year, and NO, I am not a Mormon.
Many of us here on ATS have been advocating that for quite awhile now. It makes sense, just from an economic point of view.
The TRILLIONS of dollars that the government is in the process of printing out of thin air, WILL cause hyperinflation, at a time, when people are losing their jobs. In addition, the potential disruptions due to civil unrest, strikes, and terrorist actions can EASILY disrupt the nations food supplies at any one of a dozen different points in the food distribution chain.

Religious spokesmen, the last time I checked, still have the same rights as everyone else. Many economists are predicting doom for the US and the world. Are they fear mongers also, or are they just calling it as they see it?

If we start deciding WHO can speak out on issues, then we are revisiting Germany in the 1930's and 1940's, and we may soon hear the words of Pastor Niemoeller:




“First they came for the Communists, but I was not a Communist so I did not speak out. Then they came for the Socialists and the Trade Unionists, but I was neither, so I did not speak out. Then they came for the Jews, but I was not a Jew so I did not speak out. And when they came for me, there was no one left to speak out for me.”



posted on Mar, 9 2009 @ 02:30 PM
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Biblical References About Dreams

-Did you know that 1/3rd of the Bible relates to visions or dreams? Important people who dreamed were Abraham, Joseph, Daniel, Ezekiel, Joseph (Jesus') father, Mary (Jesus') Mother, Paul, Cornelius and others.

-God has always talked to His children in dreams. Our culture has lost the significance and value of visions and dreams.

-Did you know that in scripture, dreams or visions are mentioned 224 times?

-Did you know that the first 2 chapters of Matthew contain 5 recorded dreams that gave valuable warnings or advice?

-Actually God’s own Son was revealed in a dream.

- Gen 40:6-8 And Joseph came in unto them in the morning, and looked upon them, and, behold, they [were] sad.

And he asked Pharaoh's officers that [were] with him in the ward of his lord's house, saying, Wherefore look ye [so] sadly to day? And they said unto him, We have dreamed a dream, and [there is] no interpreter of it. And Joseph said unto them, [Do] not interpretations [belong] to God? tell me [them], I pray you.

-Joel 2:28 and Acts 2:17 both say, “I will pour out my rains again, I will pour out my Spirit upon all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your old men will dream dreams. Your young men will see visions. In those days, I will pour out my Spirit on servants, men and women alike.” You can expect to hear from God.

-Matthew 7:7 tells us to, “Keep on asking, and you will be given what you ask for, keep looking and you will find, keep knocking and the door will be opened.” You can ask and receive night messages from the Most High God.

-God used to talk to man consistently in dreams.

-God speaks in a variety of ways, dreams are just one of them. Dreams from God are a whole new language.

-God gives us dreams to help us solve our problems, to tell us things we didn’t know, to show His love and tender care to us, to help us along our way and to entertain or show His love to us! And, best of all, this is available to all of us!

-You’re hearing from God and dreams help you get in touch with Him and make a God-connection.

-Our thoughts, prayers and dreams are tightly interwoven.

-God often sends dreams when we’re struggling with a problem.

-1/3 of your life is spent sleeping – usually without significance – unless you give it significance.

-Dreams can tell you more about yourself than any therapist, book, friend or relative.

-1 Kings 3:5 says “That night the Lord appeared to Solomon in a dream and God said, 'What do you want? Ask, and I will give it to you.'” Ask the Father questions and He is able to give you answers in your dreams. We should not depend upon dreams solely for our answers. First and foremost, always depend upon the Word of God for answers.

-Job 33:14-18 says, “But God speaks again and again, though people do not recognize it. He speaks in dreams, in visions of the night when deep sleep falls on people as they lie in their bed. He whispers in their ear and terrifies them with His warning. He causes them to change their minds; He keeps them from pride. He keeps them from the grave, from crossing over the river of death.”



posted on Mar, 9 2009 @ 02:32 PM
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Originally posted by marg6043

The problems is that this predictions has been going around for a long time even before this so call pastor got his prophetic message from god.

So why he is different or even special because he said that God told him so?

That is baloney.



I have not thought of David Wilkerson in years.

This is a level headed guy, not prone to nonsense, unless he has changed dramatically over the years. This is no money grubber and I'm familiar with him. He is the real deal who devotes his life to help others. The last I knew of him he lived like the poor people he helps. Shame on you Marge, judging someone you don't know so harshly.


Whether he is right or wrong, this is not a person you label a bad man unless you are given to label people knowing nothing about them.

I think if he says it, he believes it. Whether it is true or not is another issue. No different than the Martial Law bunch here, except he is a Pastor.

His book by the way was long ago. Where people got he is selling a book with this I don't know. It's getting really sad how many hate simply because of a persons Faith. All he did was share what he believes with his friends on his blog and he gets accused of profiteering and bad intentions for that? Sometimes ATS is embarrassing.

If you go to his actual blog you will see he is predicting riots and fires like we saw in the 1960's that will start in New York and spread to other cities. Not exactly a leap since it is already happening in Europe. Now is it? I've seen the same suggested on CNN and MSNBC. I'm sure others have suggested what is happening in Europe may happen here.

He is not even predicting the end of anything and some are posting as if he did. I wonder how many of you read the article and then went and read the blog? Very few I'm afraid.



[edit on 3/9/2009 by Blaine91555]



posted on Mar, 9 2009 @ 02:33 PM
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Well, let's see if we gave God a reason for our present financial calamity. First, you may recall, the height of the Dow Jones curve is located at May 15, 2008.

"http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=^DJI#chart1:symbol=^dji;range=1y;indicator=volume;charttype=line;crosshair=on;ohlcvalues=0;logscale=on;source=und efined"

Then things slowly went downhill.

Anything of note happen on May 15, 2008 that might get God a little more upset than usual? How about this:

www.cbsnews.com...

If the will of the people cannot be upheld, then the system is corrupted. If the system is corrupted, perhaps God decided to withdraw his blessing of support from it.

There are no atheists in foxholes in war. If this comes down to desperate conditions, many will turn their hearts back to the God that gave them their freedoms to choose to begin with, don't you think?

I used to fly to the Philippines back in the seventies. There was a large military base surrounded by small towns. In that environment, a woman working in a factory made less than $1 per day. However, women who sold their bodies could make eight times that amount. The average income for an American looked like a mountain of money to those locals. It was a condition ripe for corruption, so it slowly turned into a sex trade. Today, that area is buried under volcanic ash from Mount Pinatubo, like the old Bible story of Sodom and Gomorrah.

You can't curse God for hurting you if He chooses to withdraw the protection that He was giving you. He did the same thing to Job. You may be hedged about by guardian angels up to this point, but your wall of protection may be lost due to turning your back on Him. You see, you do it to yourself. Throughout the entire Bible, He notes that, for all these things (sins against Him) His hand is outstretched still. He never leaves you or forsakes you, He may turn you over to "the buffetings of Satan" to straighten you out.

It can happen to a nation or to an individual. If it happens to a nation, and you happen to be one of the people who did not directly sin against God, you might want to ask yourself: "What did I do when I could have stood up for what was right?"

Don't blame God.

[edit on 9-3-2009 by Jim Scott]

[edit on 9-3-2009 by Jim Scott]



posted on Mar, 9 2009 @ 02:43 PM
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Let me just pull out from WND what they reprinted:


"An earth-shattering calamity is about to happen," he writes. "It is going to be so frightening, we are all going to tremble – even the godliest among us."


What is the calamity exactly? When?

Too vague to be phophetic.


"It will engulf the whole megaplex, including areas of New Jersey and Connecticut. Major cities all across America will experience riots and blazing fires – such as we saw in Watts, Los Angeles, years ago," he explains. "There will be riots and fires in cities worldwide. There will be looting – including Times Square, New York City. What we are experiencing now is not a recession, not even a depression. We are under God’s wrath. In Psalm 11 it is written, "If the foundations are destroyed, what can the righteous do?"


Which areas or New Jersey and CT? Which cities?

So we are under God's wrath but God can't be any more specific than that? All this pastor is telling us to do is stock up on a 30-day supply of food. So, are we to assume that his "vision" is to take place in the next 30 days?

I don't doubt that he empathizes with the turmoil in the world. Sometimes when you feel raw emotion so deep, you want others to feel what you feel. And I believe this if often manifested through these kinds of warnings.

Remember, God often chose the most unexpected person to deliver a propehtic message. Look at Jonah. He didn't want to be a prophet and spent time in the belly of a whale before he was spit up on the shore of Nineveh. He often uses these people as even more reason to prove the power of God and it also proved Him to the prophet as well.

And look at Moses. The guy wasn't a great speaker, but God spoke through him to deliver the Israelites. And the plagues were very specific, in a specific order and happened just as He said.



posted on Mar, 9 2009 @ 02:44 PM
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What kind of merciful God is going to bring judgement on us now? This nation is in dire straights, if there is a God he should be helping out, not creating some calamity. There are probably millions across this nation praying, but this pastor says God is going to ignore those cries for help because us nasty sinners need a terrible calamity...

Just another prediction for the weak minds to soak up, nothing new...



posted on Mar, 9 2009 @ 02:52 PM
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Ask yourself what we are calling God, or lucifer. Are they really Gods in that sense, or are they both merely misperceived creatures who have mastery over time and space and perhaps a long lifespan in which to traverse time and space. OR are they just representations and man is typicly fallen inside and out. Nothing changes.

The prophecy in my mind are goals of a secret elite who would like to see hell on earth for there selfish purposes. It has always been in my mind that prophecy might be more, it might be a telepathic communication, in the guise of prophecy, or even the originators of the prophecy somehow were part of a secret cult that could envision the future or had there hands on some exotic ritual or abilities. I still find it hard that a God, doesnt know himself, doesnt know his people, and has to punish not correct via nature. These are just a few reasons I find it hard to believe in the Bible God or any equating God, and find that the true communication to us is through our daily psyches interaction with the world, and mind altering substances telling us how to look at his/her/its alledged creation.

I am highly suspect of both masons, pastors, big corporations, politicians and law enforcers who all seem to fit in with some kind of mass conciousness moving in the same socialist direction being imposed through force over time, as if a pre planned intent is being drawn upon slowly. I think prophecy is code for, "really old ideas for a modern elite psychosis to enact theyre insanity on the world so it doesnt look like they are trying to fulfill prophecy."

[edit on 9-3-2009 by mastermind77]



posted on Mar, 9 2009 @ 02:56 PM
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Are the riots in Europe fantasy? You really should read what was said. It was not any different than what the talking heads are predicting may happen.

Sorry but I hate to see a person I know to be a kind and decent man attacked for no reason. That was taken from his Blog, he is not a news reporter nor did he seek to spread his message beyond his Blog.

I'm curious, do you think riots like those of the 1960's are not possible right now? If not, why not?



posted on Mar, 9 2009 @ 02:59 PM
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Originally posted by mastermind77

I am highly suspect of both masons, pastors, big corporations, politicians and law enforcers who all seem to fit in with some kind of mass conciousness moving in the same socialist direction being imposed through force over time, as if a pre planned intent is being drawn upon slowly. I think prophecy is code for, "really old ideas for a modern elite psychosis to enact theyre insanity on the world so it doesnt look like they are trying to fulfill prophecy."

[edit on 9-3-2009 by mastermind77]


It is wise to be suspicious, unless it reaches the point where you label innocent people who mean nothing wrong. When it reaches that point it is paranoia or slander one.

Once again, read the Blog. This is being blown WAY out of proportion.



posted on Mar, 9 2009 @ 03:00 PM
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As I matter of fact, I think it will be a MIRACLE if there are no riots or civil unrest, during this extremely serious crisis. People are losing jobs in droves now, including several members of my family in the last month. How much longer can this continue before people, with no hope at all, begin to take matters into their own hands?



posted on Mar, 9 2009 @ 03:03 PM
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Here is David Wilnerson's Blog, from where this WorldNetDaily obviously took it upon themselves to read and then make a sensation out of it, where they advertise about a hundred books for purchase on the same page:

davidwilkersontoday.blogspot.com...

His actual full writing does not leave you feeling that he is trying to gain any fame or make money or cause undue panic.



posted on Mar, 9 2009 @ 03:11 PM
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Me too. I remember the tone in the 60's and it is similar now. I expect the same this time around.



posted on Mar, 9 2009 @ 03:12 PM
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It's a shame how people attack based on their hatred only and not the facts. Oh well, at least it exposes those who's hatred has consumed them.



posted on Mar, 9 2009 @ 03:13 PM
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Excellent post, Blaine. You said it better than most. I, too, was surprised at some of the unfounded insults hurled at the man like he's doing it for money when it is on a free blog and he did not ask for the publicity WND gave him. Or that he is some charlatan.

He's before my time so I cannot personally vouch for him but you did well to call out the attacks on his motives and character and to provide support for your defense.

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I have to disagree with you about the specificity regarding the prediction. It seems pretty specific except the time frame. However, if you notice, that is pretty on par with Biblical prophecy. It more often than not gives time frames instead of specific dates. The pastor does give us an idea on the the where and what's, though. That is pretty specific, in my opinion.

However, I do agree that you have a good question when you ask:


All this pastor is telling us to do is stock up on a 30-day supply of food. So, are we to assume that his "vision" is to take place in the next 30 days?


[edit on 3/9/2009 by AshleyD]



posted on Mar, 9 2009 @ 03:15 PM
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Me too. I remember the tone in the 60's and it is similar now. I expect the same this time around.

We were young newlyweds in the 1960's, and we were terrified that our first child was going to end up in a world of hurt. I'm afraid we weren't wrong. He just lost his job last week due to layoffs, and he has a family to feed.




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