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Just like if a black guy has his pants down, walking in an alley at midnight, or talking to someone in a "secretive" location and such.
Originally posted by FritosBBQTwist
The point of this thread is to argue whether or not racial profiling is okay.
I for one agree that police have been abusing the whole probable cause scenario, and there are corrupt cops.
My point is that minorities, are in A LOT more crimes than the majority. So, with that said, would you be opposed to increased police presence in areas with more minority groupings?
I am one who does not like to judge, but to compare. At my school, which is a fairly nice one, there are still a HEAP amount of white kids that are involved with drugs.
By making the comparison of that to even poorer kids, in even worse neighborhoods, where more blacks are present, and in rougher family situations, that those kids/adults would be FAR more prone to drug use and violence.
So what is wrong with doing a search (not a full raid, rip everything apart fiasco), on lets say a owner of a car that is more prone for drug dealing, or an area that is more prone for drug trades, by a race that is more prone to do so? That to me, is probable cause.
Now, with that said - to the comment regarding oppression. I am fully aware of the past and how that affects the present. But be realistic. That is part of the cause of this. I am not that naive. It would be like giving a dog 2 seconds to run from its cage before you shoot it. It isn't fair.
All I have to say here is that black, white, asian, hispanic, martian... it dont matter.. the constitution does not see color... the constitution does not see nor recognize statistics... the constitution sees an american for be an american citizen of this country in such applies those rights.
Let me first say that I live in a city of high segregation. Crime rates are obviously, higher in the poorer parts of the city. Just yesterday, I was driving around a "ghetto", where me and my buddy heard a gunshot very close by. Instinct took over and we got out of their ASAP.
As seen, blacks and other racial minorities are more likely to go to jail than other races (preferably white in this situation).
Also, by obvious reasons, hijackers of airplanes are going to have a higher chance of originating from the middle east.
Now, regarding crime rates, if an officer was in a ghetto, normally filled with blacks, how is it racial profiling to take a guess that there would be a person with drugs or weapons or a violent history, if STATISTICS show that they are more likely to have something?
I am not saying to randomly check every black or muslim and what not, but if there is any type of criminal activity comes to the cops mind, shouldn't he have the right to do a search? I will tell you one thing, in my city, the ghettos are just filled with violence and all sorts of criminal activity, where I could make an estimated 90% of it comes from blacks, if not more.
Another example would be if the authorities are searching for illegal immigrants, it would only be common sense to search in the Southern California, Texas area, etc, and look for Mexican oriented people?
I think I have provided enough examples to get my point across. By no means am I just saying for cops to search every minority, but given certain scenarios - don't you think it should be allowed?
Originally posted by 44soulslayer
You're a cop driving down the street, looking to investigate local drug gang involvement. Are you gonna stop:
a. the black man wearing baggy jeans, gold chain and a red bandana
b. the white man wearing baggy jeans, gold chain and a blue bandana
c. the white man wearing a suit and holding a briefcase
d. the black man wearing a suit and holding a briefcase
I would say, 99% of the time, respondents would choose either a or b. Its not the race that makes the difference, its the attire and appearance. The driving factor behind who to search is not ethnicity, colour or race- its appearance and behaviour.