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Topic started on 8-3-2009 @ 11:49 AM by jdub297

Nov. 18, 2008
Rahm Emmanuel: “You never want a serious crisis to go to waste.”

online.wsj.com...

Mar. 6, 2009
Hillary Clinton: “Never waste a good crisis.”
in.reuters.com...

Mar. 8, 2009
Obama: “Time of crisis can be 'great opportunity'”
apnews.myway.com...

Ever since Chief of Staff Rahm Emmanuel paraphrased economist Alan Friedman last November, saying, “You never want a serious crisis to go to waste,” the Obama administration has followed this path to push its agenda into the forefront of the public consciousness.

By turning every issue (climate, health care, banks, housing, the economy, et c.) into a “crisis,” Obama and his administration have preyed upon fear and desperation to push aside reasoned debate.

Using Congress as the scriveners, Obama has crafted blueprints for his socialist plans and turned them over to the Democrats in the House and Senate to solve, or fail.

When, you have to ask, will we become desensitized and deaf to the cries of “crisis” every time Obama wants to move his socialist agenda another step forward?

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reply posted on 8-3-2009 @ 11:55 AM by stikkinikki

Excellent! Still glad I voted for the man. Best choice we had IMO. Anyway, every end is just a new beginning just as every crisis is an opportunity. Are economy is CRASHING just like the Soviet empire crashed. Ain't much anyone can do about that at this point. We can't reverse back into a bubble. Might as well adapt and change. Help your neighbors and family and remember the story of the Good Samaritan.

The dollar is NOT a founding document of the United States of America. Three documents matter above all: Declaration of Independence, Bill of Rights, and the Constitution.

Habeas corpus is a given.

We have to ask ourselves what does it really mean to be an American.

reply posted on 8-3-2009 @ 12:05 PM by madhatr137

I think you're applying a commonly held practice in socio-political theory to Obama that has been used by countless political figure, for centuries. From Leo Strauss, to Machiavelli, to Ceasar...crises are always used for social-political advantage...W. Bush did it, Clinton did it, HW Bush did it, Reagan did it, Carter did it....rinse, repeat, ad infinitum...it is a very basic socio-political ideology.

Fact is, for better or for worse, it is only after crisis that we can actually progress to another stage in our development. If everything always remained the same and peachy keen, there would be no need to change anything, would there?

And I agree with Stikkinikki, we do have to ask ourselves what it really means to be an American...a Human, even. Are we consumers, or are we citizens?

reply posted on 8-3-2009 @ 12:17 PM by disgustedbyhumanity

Originally posted by madhatr137
Are we consumers, or are we citizens?

Most importantly we are people. It is mankinds duty to make the world as good as place as possible for all people. That is progress and it takes a social rather than a capitalist agenda. That is why I favor Obama's programs. He will have us move forward as a whole rather than just having the upper classes move forward while the lower classes fall back.

reply posted on 8-3-2009 @ 12:23 PM by jdub297

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You and I may agree on these underpinnings of our freedeom, but they are meaningless in an administration that does not adhere to them as well.

The Second Amendment, is leaving us, now, one step at a time:

"Holder Revives Talk Of Weapons Ban"

www.cbsnews.com...

www.newsok.com...

"Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban"

[url]http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Story?id=6960824&page=2

reply posted on 8-3-2009 @ 12:29 PM by jdub297

Originally posted by madhatr137
Fact is, for better or for worse, it is only after crisis that we can actually progress to another stage in our development.

True, social manipulation has capitalized on "crises," but not all of them have been manufactured by the manipulators.

Further, "we can actually progress," and have, without Macchiavellian manipulation of our "development."

I do not want to "develop" along the Obama agenda.

jw

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reply posted on 8-3-2009 @ 01:10 PM by Hastobemoretolife

This would be good if his agenda was to revert back to the constitution. Instead though, he is trying to move the US to a failed socialist system.

The government is too large as it is, all he is going to do is make it even more unsustainable and the Government bubble is going to pop.

Liberal economic polices is the reason we are in this mess and he want to do more. Great, well we might not have an election in 2012 if he keeps spending money like he is.

reply posted on 8-3-2009 @ 01:12 PM by DangerDeath

They are applying the rule: fix the problem without paying attention to culprits

Smart, indeed!

reply posted on 8-3-2009 @ 11:34 PM by jdub297

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I might agree with you, if we define "problem" as 'democratic republic.'

Obama's "problem" is a nation with conservative values and limited federal government.

jw

reply posted on 11-3-2009 @ 07:22 AM by madhatr137

reply to post by Hastobemoretolife

First of all, political ideologies do not fail or succeed, nations and people do. We have this concept of socialism and communism as being failures, conceptually...they aren't. The nations that we associate with these ideologies have risen and, mostly, fallen...but this is due, not simply, because of an ideological flaw, but because of a plethora of other additional factors; internal corruption, over expansion, war, etc.

The phrase "failed socialist agenda" harkens images of collapsing communist nations, with populations dressed in drab, gray clothing, waiting in breadlines for their meager rations. But nobody is pushing for that dystopia. Its silly.

What is being pushed for?

A Universal health care system, which practically every other "successful" capitalistic liberal democracy in the world has, which don't operate perfectly but, having used them myself I can say that they're actually quite good, at least its a hell of a lot better than having to go without visiting the doctor ever because you're an uninsured worker and can't afford to see a doctor.

Removing the limitations on science which, lets face it, have been been imposed by the interference of big business and big religion. We have the tech, we need to use it.

Regulating business...admittedly...yeah, its a bit anti-capitalist...but they are the ones that have gotten us, by being unregulated, into this crisis. American Politics has bent over backward for far too long in favor of business, at the expense of the common citizen, of the middle class. Far too few people control far too much of the wealth. Because access to money means access to politics, it means that those who control the money control politics...its not difficult to see where I'm going with that...

Anyway, I have to go to work, where I am uninsured, so I can't write more...but I leave asking this...

If our economy collapses completely, are we going to turn around and make note of the collapse as being due to a "failed capitalist agenda"? Probably not. But, if all things were equal, we should because "our" failure is due to, if not the same, very similar factors as the failure of those socialist nations that have failed before us. Over expansion, greed, internal corruption.

reply posted on 11-3-2009 @ 07:33 AM by mental modulator

Originally posted by jdub297

When, you have to ask, will we become desensitized and deaf to the cries of “crisis” every time Obama wants to move his socialist agenda another step forward?

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Well frankly the desensitizing have come from the eyebrow high pile of OBAMA threads

OBAMA'S MUSLIM - GAY- ZIONIST -TERRORIST -FASCIST - MURDERER - CHIMP -
ZULU - INDONESIAN - KENYAN - SOCIALIST - AL QUEDA...

So many turds have been tossed, its mind numbing, truth from turd?

reply posted on 14-3-2009 @ 10:14 AM by jdub297

Originally posted by mental modulator
Well frankly the desensitizing have come from the eyebrow high pile of OBAMA threads

What would you expect 6 weeks into a new administration? How many threads were posted about GWB or 9/11?

UFO 'proof' of aliens?

There are other threads and other news reports about the BHO plan to generate "crises" to enlarge the government's ability to "respond" with new programs/regulations. Witness A.G. Holder's push for new 2nd Am./ gun restrictions, now being echoed by DHS in light of Mexican unrest.

Witness Energy's Chu and EPA's Browner's plans to institute "cap-and-trade" in the "stimulus" program for Al Gore's climate crisis.

Perhaps the "Global IP Security Treaty", for which Obama has declared a "national security" risk in refusing to release details? Of a "TREATY?"

If Obama didn't have an "eyebrow high" list of broken promises, pledges and ouright lies, there wouldn't be as much to say.

deny ignorance

jw

reply posted on 17-8-2009 @ 08:08 AM by Credge

reply to post by disgustedbyhumanity

There's a difference between what he says and what he intends, though. That's an important distinction that some haven't caught on to yet.

Edit: Wow, I didn't see the date of the post. Crazy. Sorry about thread necromancy JUST to say that. I thought this was recent.

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reply posted on 30-8-2009 @ 09:27 AM by jdub297

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Necromancy? Not really, unless you consider 'waking a sleeping giant' to be a resurrection of sorts.

The majority of Americans are now realizing the results of Obama's agenda.

Isn't it funny how time has borne this out?

Your observation is exactly on-point:

Obama will say ANYTHING that gains him support, regardless of his intentions.

I've said the same thing since he and Hillary were facing-off in 2008.

Read his books if you want to see what he really intends to accomplish.
(Been saying that, too. Is it too late?)

So, here we are nearly 6 months later and what do we see?

Economic "crisis" necessitating unprecedented government intervention.
Swine flu "crisis" necessitating unprecedented government intervention.
Energy "crisis" necessitating unprecedented government intervention.
Banking "crisis" necessitating unprecedented government intervention.
Automobile "crisis" necessitating unprecedented government intervention.
Housing "crisis" necessitating unprecedented government intervention.
Credit "crisis" necessitating unprecedented government intervention.
Health care "crisis" necessitating unprecedented government intervention.
Media "crisis" necessitating unprecedented government intervention.

Wanna know what's next?

"Civil unrest," "inflammatory speech," "right-wing terror," and anything else that threatens an expanding liberal/progressive/Obama constituency.

I won't say "I told you so."

Deny ignorance!

jw

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