Originally posted by realboogyman
Wasn't Pres. bush saying "We will Not negotiate with terrorist" Now that is exactly what Obama wants to do. Show's weakness. Which amaerica has became weak over the past few years and maybe it was because we didn't negotiate so i see this 2 ways. Show our weakness and "give in" or keep fighting a war that noone can win. A war against terrorism? Wow thats alot, considering what is now a terrorist act is toothpaste on a airplane.

actually i think "..we dont negoitate with terrorists.." dates back to reagan

[edit on 10-3-2009 by neo67]

Originally posted by neo67

Originally posted by realboogyman
Wasn't Pres. bush saying "We will Not negotiate with terrorist" Now that is exactly what Obama wants to do. Show's weakness. Which amaerica has became weak over the past few years and maybe it was because we didn't negotiate so i see this 2 ways. Show our weakness and "give in" or keep fighting a war that noone can win. A war against terrorism? Wow thats alot, considering what is now a terrorist act is toothpaste on a airplane.

actually i think "..we dont negoiate with terrorists.." dates back to reagan

The Taliban didn't do anything to the US, the Americans killed 1.3 million , who is the terrorist ?

Originally posted by branty

Originally posted by neo67

Originally posted by realboogyman
Wasn't Pres. bush saying "We will Not negotiate with terrorist" Now that is exactly what Obama wants to do. Show's weakness. Which amaerica has became weak over the past few years and maybe it was because we didn't negotiate so i see this 2 ways. Show our weakness and "give in" or keep fighting a war that noone can win. A war against terrorism? Wow thats alot, considering what is now a terrorist act is toothpaste on a airplane.

actually i think "..we dont negoiate with terrorists.." dates back to reagan

The Taliban didn't do anything to the US, the Americans killed 1.3 million , who is the terrorist ?

dude get a grip all i was saying is reagan first coined the phrase.

Originally posted by branty

Originally posted by neo67

Originally posted by realboogyman
Wasn't Pres. bush saying "We will Not negotiate with terrorist" Now that is exactly what Obama wants to do. Show's weakness. Which amaerica has became weak over the past few years and maybe it was because we didn't negotiate so i see this 2 ways. Show our weakness and "give in" or keep fighting a war that noone can win. A war against terrorism? Wow thats alot, considering what is now a terrorist act is toothpaste on a airplane.

actually i think "..we dont negoiate with terrorists.." dates back to reagan

The Taliban didn't do anything to the US, the Americans killed 1.3 million , who is the terrorist ?

So you are for us negotiating with them and possibly walking away?


Edit for correcting mixing all theses quotes into one big mess

[edit on 10-3-2009 by jd140]

The problem with 'reaching out' to thugs is that they don't always play by the rules. These 'outlaws' are capable of hurting others without remorse. And the fact that Gitmo is (going to be?) closed by Obama sends out a message to all these thugs is that America will tolerate bad behavior, which (in a 'normal' society) is not supposed to include killing each other. Tisk! Tisk!

Originally posted by branty


Originally posted by neo67


Originally posted by realboogyman
Wasn't Pres. bush saying "We will Not negotiate with terrorist" Now that is exactly what Obama wants to do. Show's weakness. Which amaerica has became weak over the past few years and maybe it was because we didn't negotiate so i see this 2 ways. Show our weakness and "give in" or keep fighting a war that noone can win. A war against terrorism? Wow thats alot, considering what is now a terrorist act is toothpaste on a airplane.




actually i think "..we dont negoiate with terrorists.." dates back to reagan



The Taliban didn't do anything to the US, the Americans killed 1.3 million , who is the terrorist ?

Reagan was before my time. I am just stateing what I heard Bush say at some point in time. Thanks for correcting me either way.
And either way if the taliban are terrorist we dont negotiate. And the guys in the whitehouse apparently can't negotiate. So either way you want to read it there will be no negotiation between The U.S and the taliban or with the U.S within itself

Obama has been making touchy-feely gestures to the Muslim world since he took office. Little things he knew they'd pick up on like his inaugural speech saying something like "We are a nation of Christians, Muslims, as well as Jews, Hindus ..." This is the first time a President didn't do the list as "... Christians, Jews, Muslims, etc" His first visit to the Middle East was Turkey, and other indicators pointed out already.

Now we don't really know how Obama thinks. He's a virtual nobody, an unknown quantity. A politician from the most corrupt place on the map and no real track record.

Is he trying to appease the Muslim world, maybe because the country desperately need to hit them to but billions more in probably worthless T Bills?

Is he trying to bring down the level of tension with a few chosen words, giving them a more receptive signal, hoping to soften them up for the the final kill?

Could he just be smooth-talking, but in the end pushing the same overall foreign policy - keeping the Middle East in disarray with tribal infighting that keeps them from ever going anywhere?

I'll pick the latter as probable? The US likes to send Middle East countries mixed signals. They are blood brothers with the Saudis. They give billions in foreign aid to Egypt, Jordan, Pakistan. Their controversial support of Israel benefits the US in ways little understood. The Iranians throw so much weapons and money into their proxies in Lebanon and Gaza just to keep Israel on it's toes. The Saudis then pour billions more in countering Iran's Shiite clerics by trying to maintain their Sunni dominance in the region.

Muslim leaders fall for it every time and are at each others throats racing than taking a unified stand on anything.

They think they have Obama on their side. They think he's one of their boys.

They could be right.

We'll see.


Mike F