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reply posted on 7-3-2009 @ 05:04 PM by Terapin
reply to post by Republican08


Irans Arrogance???? Israel has nuclear weapons. Not Iran. Israel is doing everything they can to convince the world of the lie that Iran is working towards a nuclear weapon but it simply isn't true. The IAEA which has Irans cooperation, conducts regular inspections within Iran and has stated repeatedly that Iran does not have, nor are they producing weapons grade material. The US Secretary of Defense recently stated that Iran is no where near capable of producing a nuclear weapon any time soon. The US was pulled into a war in Iraq based on lies about weapons of mass destruction, and Israel would love for you to swallow another lie about Iran. Israel has been lying about Iran for a long time.

Iran has made no move towards war with Israel, and has made statements to the contrary. Israel has repeatedly stated that they wish to attack Iran, with US help of course.

Israel will not attack solo as they know Iran is quite capable of defending itself and could cause serious damage to Israel. Global Fire Power ranks Irans military might as 16th in the world and Israels as 26. Israel would face serious opposition in any conventional conflict against Iran. If Israel attacked Iran they would also have to deal with Russia who has stated that they would come to to the aid of Iran if they are attacked by Israel.

Israel has demonstrated arrogance again and again towards its neighbors and Gaza is only one example. Israel is in violation of a number of UN resolutions, the Geneva Conventions and various international laws. The arrogance lies with Israel not Iran.

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reply posted on 7-3-2009 @ 05:57 PM by FredT
Originally posted by finemanm
Also, the Israeli military will not go into Iran. If anything, it would be a short but devastating air campaign. Israel has done this before. They destroyed an Iraqi nuclear reactor in the 80's or 90's.


Yes, but its a far different matter this time around.

Iranian nuclear facilities are dug in. I posted an article a while back from AWST showing a centerfuge site that had at a minimum 200 feet of alternating reinforced concrete / packed earth. This combo is beyond the capacity of convnetional bunker busters. In addition, the alternating layers will be challanging for fusing as typical bunker busters rely on void sensing.

This is not some ill defended reactor site under construction. Unless the IDF is intent on comminitng even more atrocites they will not be using nuclear weapons. But given its Israel can you rule that out?


The truth is that when the Israel Air Force is in the air, all its Arab neighbors hide their planes in bunkers and hangers. No Middle Eastern country is stupid enough to go up against Israeli F-15's and F-16's flown by some of the best pilots in the world.


As good as the IDF is, you cannot overcome pysics with even with thier arrogance. Many of the sites are well beyond the range of the F-15's (Forget the F-16's) Iraq was closer in and the the aircraft were loaded to the gills with fuel. Unless the USAF tanks the IDF aircraft, its questionable if they have the combat radius or can extend it with any sort of meaningfull load to get at the more important targets.


There is a line in the Jay-Z song 99 Problems that sums up Iran. "You know the type, loud as a motor bike, but wouldn't bust a grape in a food fight."


You never know and if the IDF bombs the SAM sites while the inevitable Soviet advisors gets killed, you can expect at the very least that the Soviets will re arm them to the hilt.

The S-300 would preclude anything but a F-22 or a B-2 in that airspace based on open literature.
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reply posted on 7-3-2009 @ 06:07 PM by Foppezao
reply to post by FredT



They can also use Thermobaric or Vacuum bombs, the smaller the space the more effective these weapons..Israel had come to an agreement to fly through Turkish airspace while being refuelled there.Most likely by American or Turkish NATO planes.


reply posted on 7-3-2009 @ 09:38 PM by FredT
reply to post by Foppezao


Thermbaric bombs work best in cave like structures. From my understanding its not as effective against structures equipped with multiple blastdoors that are stressed to withstand signifigant over pressure

One aspect to remember is that Iran has had a front seat to 3 USAF air campaigns to see exactly what works and does not work.

Im not saying some will not be damaged or destroyed but that there are too many targets too spread out to get them all given the limitations the IDF has in projecting power.


reply posted on 7-3-2009 @ 09:51 PM by FredT
Originally posted by finemanm
Also, whats the deal with calling every action Israel does an "atrocity?"

Was the US invasion of Normandy an atrocity?

Was carpet bombing Berlin in 1945 an atrocity?


Hmmmmm apples and oranges. Gaza was hardly a shinning moment of IDF modeartion eh? I mean all those dead kids. I realize the IDF could drop on a school filled with disable children and the apologist would immediatly defend such action but really.


I'm sure some of the anti US passifists would say that Hiroshima and Nagasoki were attrocities; however, no one ever accused the US of war crimes in WWII.


Citybusting was an acceptable form of warfare. Most have moved on and recognized it as unacceptable today but clearly for the IDF its do as we say no do as we do eh?

Is going into Afganistan and attempting to capture or kill Al Queada members an attrocity?

Was the The U.S.-Mexican War (1846-1848) an atrocity while we were expanding towards the Pacific?

Is it an atrocity when Iraqi Sunnis blow up Iraq Shiites during their pilgramige?

How about when those pakistanis beheaded Daniel Pearl, was that an atrocity?



*cough Strawman cough* Was that from your AIPAC talking points manual?


The bottom line is that when Israel acts to defend its citizens, it is called an atrocity.


Yet is acceptable to fly through several countries and drop bombs on Iran on what grounds?



But in regrads to the topic: Again I point out that this is hardly a Iraq type operation and without help from the US Its going to be hard to pull it off


Why don't you check out this link to see only the major terror attacks since the Oslo Accords on Israeli civilians: www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org...


Hmmm you called the OP's source bias yet you post this one "Hello Pot its the kettle.......... YOUR BLACK"

BTW how many people has HAMAS killed? Hint go to the State of Isreal Interior Ministry. The IDF killed almost as many children in its recent Gaza massacre.


reply posted on 7-3-2009 @ 10:56 PM by finemanm
reply to post by FredT


The souce I cite is nothing more than statistics. Open the link and see. You don't have to agree with my position; however, I don't think you can argue with statistics.


reply posted on 7-3-2009 @ 11:14 PM by finemanm
Originally posted by FredT

Yet is acceptable to fly through several countries and drop bombs on Iran on what grounds?



Well, you tell me, "Mr. I have a military airplane flying over the desert as my avitar" when is an acceptable time to fly over several countries to drop bombs on Iran?

Is it after they launch a rocket at Tel Aviv with a nuke attached to it?

The Iranian president has stated on several occasions that "Israel must be wiped off the map",[5][6] an English idiom which means to "cause a place to stop existing",[7] or to "obliterate totally",[8] or "destroy completely".[9]

Note: I left the foot note in from: en.wikipedia.org...

So, if you knew that a country's publicly stated foreign policy towards you is that you should be "obliterated totally" and you had intelligence that they were close to reaching the technology to carry out that threat, are you then obligated to wait for them to act first?

Israel is tiny. If Iran did launch a nuke at Israel, there wouldn't be much left to retaliate with.

Also, don't forget, Hamas is sunni, and arabic. Iran is shia and persian. The only reason for Iran to hate Israel is its hatred for Jews.


reply posted on 8-3-2009 @ 01:41 AM by bobbylove321
reply to post by finemanm


Except you are missing one BIG point, WHAT NUKE????

Iran doesn't have nukes. It's a lie that Israel is trying to brainwash people with just like the U.S. did with the WMD for Iraq. What WMD??
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