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Germany did NOT simply lose the war!

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posted on Mar, 7 2009 @ 11:18 AM
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Hello everybody! Just found this very interesting article from the net. I was wondering if there is somebody here at ATS to confirm this story?


"To finish on Germany and World War II I will tell you something you definitely never read in any other book, something which will surely make you wonder about what you are told in your school books and will question your present picture of the world. As you know from history books, the German Reich never signed a peace treaty, because a peace treaty has to be signed by the leaders of the nation. But Hitler probably went to South America (or died) and anybody else was dead or gone as well. So Donitz, substituting for Hitler, signed a cease-fire treaty for two arms of the Wehrmacht.


And this cease-fire was broken by the Allies in their attack, led by Admiral Byrd in 1946, on Neuschwabenland, the German territory in Antarctica.


They tried to get at the elite of them all who sure were smart enough to have a back door open – Neuschwabenland! And since the German elite, the Schwarze Sonne (Black Sun) and the VRIL-Gesellschaft was at that time and still today living in this particular area (at least some of them do), the Allied Troops had been destroyed within weeks.


And because of the broken cease-fire, the German Reich was again – and still is to this day - at war with the Allies!!!


You may wonder, but this is an irrefutable and definite fact of which every important, high-ranking German that I have met knows. If the Allies would have won in Neuschwabenland against the “Schwarze Sonne”, they would have come out with it on every front page in the world. But because of their defeat they kept it very secret. "

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posted on Mar, 7 2009 @ 11:51 AM
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The Allies occupied Germany for over half a century. I'm pretty sure they can stick that one in the "Win" column.



posted on Mar, 7 2009 @ 01:06 PM
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Yes of course, but i find this whole Antarctica incident very interesting. There is so much they don't teach us at school. Even here in Scandinavia where the school system propably is not as corrupted as in US.

The history is allways written by the "winners"



posted on Mar, 7 2009 @ 01:25 PM
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You don't need a peace treaty to tell you you've won a war.If the'e really was a group called "the Black Sun" hiding in Antartica I can't see them being very powerful now.
They would have probably been wiped out at a later date,though I doubt they were ever there at all personally.



posted on Mar, 7 2009 @ 02:07 PM
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Actually, Donitz was named as Hitler's successor two days after Hitler committed suicide. Donitz then formed a government in Kiel. The government didn't even last a week before Donitz sign the surrender terms and dissolved the government he formed.

Since Hitler was suffering from rigamortise, he was no longer the leader of the Nazi party.


Donitz was not substituting for Hitler, he was chosen by the higher echelon of the Nazi party and succeeded Hitler as the legal leader of Germany.


The surrender was legit.


And if their were nazis still hold up somewhere in the world that refuse to surrender even after the surrender treaty had been signed it would not an act of war to attack them. In fact, this happened in Germany itself. Some of the most fanatical SS troops organised together, at least one group managed to get well over 2,000 troops together, and they continued to fight for a couple of weeks after the surrender had been signed.





[edit on 7-3-2009 by A NeWorlDisorder]



posted on Mar, 7 2009 @ 02:52 PM
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Thanks for the replies! From the same source...


"In 1938 a German expedition to the ANTARCTIC was made with the aircraft carrier Schwabenland (Swabia). 600,000 km2 of an ice-free area with lakes and mountains were declared German territory, the NEUSCHWABENLAND (New Swabia). Whole fleets of submarines of the 21 and 23 series were later headed towards Neuschwabenland.



Today about one hundred German submarines are still unaccounted for some equipped with the Walter snorkel, a device that allowed them to stay submerged for several weeks, and it can be assumed that they fled to Neuschwabenland with the dismantled flying disks or at least the construction plans. Again it must be assumed that since the test flights had been very successful some so-called flying saucers have flown directly there at the end of the war. Perhaps some may think these assumptions to be a bit on the daring side, but there are strong indications that is may well have happened that way.


There is a question why in 1947 ADMIRAL E. BYRD led an invasion of the ANTARCTIC, why he had 4,000 soldiers, a man-of-war, a fully equipped aircraft carrier and a functioning supply system at his command if it was a mere expedition? He had been given eight months for the exercise, but they had to stop after eight weeks and high losses of planes undisclosed even today. What had happened?


Later Admiral Byrd spoke to the press:

“It is the bitter reality that in the case of a new war one had to expect attacks by planes that could fly from Pole to Pole.”




Who knows what the truth was (or is). After all are we even sure Hitler committed suicide? I remember reading that even the russians were not that convinced that body was actually Hitler.



posted on Mar, 7 2009 @ 03:18 PM
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It can be safely assumed that Germany lost the war, German people lost the war. If Nazi party members fled somewhere with enormous amount of supplies that 100 submarines can carry (like 10000 tons tops?) and continue their war, Germany as a country certainly does not - and only wins from it. Compare WW2 victors USSR and Germany in 2009.
You also seem to forget that when Admiral Byrd was on his expedition - his forth one to the area by the way since 1920s - he had 2 destroyers one carrier and one submarine. It was not about second D-Day with those forces,was it ....
And as for almost 5000 man - 3500 of them are crew of single air carrier. At that time US had enormous fleet so if it was a military operation against Nazis - navy got very cheap on forces. Where are personnel carrier ships with marines for enormous Neuschwabenland?
One sub? One air carrier? Two destroyers? One communication ship and the rest support.
After "heavy losses" - in which not a single ship was sank - no serious expedition with heavier punch was launched. By the same US that previously defeated the same technology of Nazi Germany. In WW2 terms if what is described in secret diaries is correct a small skirmish got all US navy scared without loss of a single ship. Japanese sank several of them in Pearl harbor and yet US acted much more determined then.



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