Bush's connections and now a possible connection to controlled demo consulting and planning company

spooky24
First off if you would consult history books rather than truther sites you would know that in signing the Paris Peace Accords both the Republic of North Vietnam and the United States agreed that neither side knew just what happened in the Gulf of Tonkin. The agreement stated that by decree the incident was meaningless as neither side could prove the other was the aggressor. LBJ's Decision Points says the exact same thing.

What happened to the originating planes and the people on them is an unknown.

You can't debate in a vacuum. You simply can't cherrypick events and criticize them without working them into a solid time line. Who-What-When-Where and how.

All the phone calls were fake-the radar returns fake-all the air to ground and ground to air recordings-more than 90 min worth-are fake as well. If your going to debate that then where is your proof?

Highly decorated war hero's who are now professional pilots flying passenger jets just disappear off the face of the earth?

Well either way those pilots are regrettably dead right? So arguing rather they died in a building somewhere or on a plane is kinda useless. And doesn't prove a point either way. They were just more victims of a crime most want the truth for.

If you want proof, you are on the thread. This gives you a pretty well thought out timeline with info that a lot of people don't know about. Did they hijackers know about the upgraded floors then? Was that part of everything they had on them? Or did they have a guy inside Turner construction company?
Sure that is possible, but what are the chances?
I am sure you agree it was quite a feat to make the maneuvers the planes did, going the speeds they were going.
So with no practice they hit 2 nails on the head in the recently renovated parts of the building?
And shouldn't that have been a godsend?
Of ALL the levels to hit,they hit the ones with recent renovations!!! Should help with these fires that firefighters will not be able to get too. But sadly no, that great fireproofing was dislodged and made ineffective. And we all know the rest

And none of the info presented from a "Truther" stand point is ever redacted or stating the proof can't be shown due to national security. When they present a source it doesn't have black sharpie every where.

Ha ha ha nice thread OP and I am so pleased that you had also posted this.

Seems like the veil is slowly but surely getting removed.
Just like a blindfold removed from the eyes of many.

reply to post by tjeffersonsghost


there was a comptroller of the white house at the time
he was owner or ceo of a remote control air tanker company
2 trillion Dollars disappeared on his watch
he was a dual passport israely American...
and some israelis were arrested with advance knowledge that 911 was going to occur...dancing in celebration

the comptroller was Dov Zakhiem



thats remote control airplanes

sandfOP

dup

reply to post by Danbones

Could you give a link to the vid? Not working here

Bumping this for those who haven't see it and have been asking about it.

a reply to: _BoneZ_

Good bump, was just thinking about searching for this for another thread.

Why exactly did this building have fireproofing that needed to be removed if a plane hitting it full of jet fuel couldn't damage or destroy this impenetrable frame??

Wow, thanks for bumping this thread. Can't wait to get home and watch the vids, etc.

a reply to: In4ormant

Why exactly did this building have fireproofing that needed to be removed if a plane hitting it full of jet fuel couldn't damage or destroy this impenetrable frame??

An internal inspection revealed that application of fire protection on WTC structural steel was substandard.

FIREPROOFING" AT THE WTC TOWERS

APPLICATION DEFICIENCIES

Fireproofing was applied directly to the long joists that supported each of the floors. Inspections of the floors with asbestos-containing fireproofing (up to the 38th floor in the North Tower) found that there were numerous areas where the fireproofing had never been applied. Top and bottom chords and truss web members were exposed, and the red lead on the trusses was clearly visible in many locations. Photo 1 shows a truss with fireproofing missing from its end where it meets the outside wall. Also, the fireproofing was frequently thinner than the 3/4 inch described in the Federal Emergency Management Agency-funded ASCE BPAT report on the collapse of the towers. Many of the problems observed were clearly the result of poor workmanship.

However, the nature of the structures that were fireproofed and application methods used could also contribute to the problem. Applying fireproofing to a long-span or any type of joist construction is difficult. The round rods and small angles making up a truss are difficult targets for the installer. Spray fireproofing materials are typically applied from the floor with an extended spray nozzle. The installer may be unable to reach or see certain areas of the trusses that must be covered. This frequently results in thin or absent fireproofing on surfaces hidden from the floor by the bottom of steel members (photo 2). In the WTC, this resulted in sections of the top surface of the bottom chord of the trusses receiving an inadequate coat of fireproofing. These are deficiencies that would have been easily discovered by the ASTM field quality assurance tests for adhesion, cohesion, thickness, and density had these test methods existed at the time of construction.

LACK OF QUALITY ASSURANCE TESTING

The WTC was built before there were accepted standards for determining if the fireproofing as applied in the field would perform properly. Would the material remain on the steel (adhesion), resist physical damage (cohesion), insulate properly (thickness and density), and behave as a fire retardant? Architects relied on the "testing" undertaken by Underwriters Laboratories. However, without field quality assurance tests, there was no way of knowing if the properties of the applied fireproofing matched those of the material subjected to the UL test. The previously discussed tests would not become available until years after the completion of the WTC. For example, the ASTM test for adhesion would have detected the bonding defects of the fireproofing on core columns. This test and the ASTM test for thickness and density would have determined the adequacy of the spray fireproofing on the floor joists.

The WTC should not be considered unique in this regard. The fireproofing in any building constructed before the ASTM standards became available in 1977 should be considered suspect.

Poor Fire Protection Application Photo 1

Poor Fire Pretection Application Photo 2

ACCUMULATED DAMAGE TO FIREPROOFING

There is another important aspect to this issue. There is no existing requirement in any building or occupancy code to inspect the fireproofing in a building periodically to determine if it has degraded through gradual physical damage. This is even true for new construction where the fireproofing is installed and tested early in the construction process. Successive work by many trades often damages and removes whole sections of fireproofing. In the WTC, the fireproofing coatings had been damaged by later construction and renovation in many locations.

LESSONS LEARNED

In considering the possible causes of the collapse of the WTC towers, the possibility that the initial application of fire-resistive coatings was deficient must be considered. The implications of this are far ranging. The fire safety of buildings depends on the fire-resistance ratings' successfully resulting in buildings that stay standing despite fire damage. Prior to the collapse of the WTC towers, it was thought that adherence to the fire-resistance ratings in the building codes would result in buildings that were safe for occupants and for those who fight fires. However, the entire scheme currently used to make these determinations must be called into question. If the WTC towers were properly protected but fell anyway, then this would indicate that the fire-resistance ratings and structural reliability of buildings as they are now built are insufficiently protective. However, if the buildings failed because the fireproofing was improperly applied, then the standards for fireproofing application and maintenance need to be strengthened. Peoples' lives depend on properly analyzing these issues and then taking appropriate corrective action.

Deficient firestopping

Deficient firestopping provides an avenue for fire spread. Columns, girders and beams are commonly protected with spray asbestos insulation or a composition material. Spray insulation has been tested to offer four-hour test ratings on columns, three hours on beams and girders.

Test conditions, however, do not match actual conditions in the field. Insulation adhesion may be ineffective because of rust. Frequently, insulation is applied to rusted metal that has not been properly treated before application; the insulation's consistency may vary; its application may be inconsistent; or it may be dislodged during original and new construction and maintenance.

www.fireengineering.com... wtc-towers.html

I hope this helps. There was no planes that hit the WTC made in Hollywood. Do the searches. Persons there were actors and the area around the WTC was evacuated before. No fly zone ect why cause you would see what was going on. Airplanes hitting the WTC would Blow up upon impact not penetrate the building much with 4" of steel girders and made to withstand planes crashing into the towers to and designed for fires in comon. Jet fuel is just kerosene! The white powder was asbestos that had to be removed to.The WTC floors were hollow and had shutter blinds installed. The cleanup crew was part of Cheney group. Who owned the WTC good one who bought the WTC just before and what happened to WTC 7? Ther were important documents at WTC 7 about Enron etc. The restaurant at top of WTC had direct Elevators designed to take if just going to eat there. Under the WTC was a lot of shops etc there.

No bodies found at Flight 93 why no planes were in the air and all grounded before. Cell phones don't work in a plane cabin, the windows are made with lead just like the old TV picture tubes radiation. Let alone lock onto a cell phone tower, going to fast. Analog Phones back then. Remember about Iraq Jessica Lynch who criticizes government backed lies about what happened she didn't want any part of the government? The government told all lies what had happened. The government fabricated her story and stood up the truth of her story.
A plane that was buried into the ground without proof there would be proof but just a hole there.
We believe what the news media says and take it as truth. Why?
All those pictures were posted gave me a idea that same person posted them all over. Using 2" packing tape. looks like the same person all over.

www.hoaxofthecentury.com...

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a reply to: The only 1 who knows the

No bodies found at Flight 93 why no planes were in the air and all grounded before. Cell phones don't work in a plane cabin, the windows are made with lead just like the old TV picture tubes radiation. Let alone lock onto a cell phone tower, going to fast. Analog Phones back then. Remember about Iraq Jessica Lynch who criticizes government backed lies about what happened she didn't want any part of the government? The government told all lies what had happened. The government fabricated her story and stood up the truth of her story.
A plane that was buried into the ground without proof there would be proof but just a hole there.
We believe what the news media says and take it as truth. Why?
All those pictures were posted gave me a idea that same person posted them all over. Using 2" packing tape. looks like the same person all over.

WOW !! A genuine Kool Aid drinker...... Mostly incoherent babble.....

Dont know where to start...... OK

No bodies in Flight 93 ??

Maybe no intact bodies. High speed crashes like Flight 93 result in any people onboard being reduced to what is called
"human hamburger" - scraps of tissue with a few identifiable fragments mixed in

Wallace Miller - coroner Somerset County PA

As coroner, responsible for returning human remains, Miller has been forced to share with the families information that is unimaginable. As he clinically recounts to them, holding back very few details, the 33 passengers, seven crew and four hijackers together weighed roughly 7,000 pounds. They were essentially cremated together upon impact. Hundreds of searchers who climbed the hemlocks and combed the woods for weeks were able to find about 1,500 mostly scorched samples of human tissue totaling less than 600 pounds, or about 8 percent of the total.

Cell Phones

With exception of last 2 calls from Flight 93 (which by then was at low altitude in range of cell towers) call were made
by GTE Air Fones. Air Fones were a VHF system designed to work for aircraft in flight

Air Fone recovered from wreckage of Flight 93

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Windows of Lead glass??


Dont think so . Sky Eagle can probably elaborate on this

I hope this helps. There was no planes that hit the WTC made in Hollywood. Do the searches. Persons there were actors and the area around the WTC was evacuated before. No fly zone ect why cause you would see what was going on. Airplanes hitting the WTC would Blow up upon impact not penetrate the building much with 4" of steel girders and made to withstand planes crashing into the towers to and designed for fires in comon. Jet fuel is just kerosene! The white powder was asbestos that had to be removed to.The WTC floors were hollow and had shutter blinds installed. The cleanup crew was part of Cheney group. Who owned the WTC good one who bought the WTC just before and what happened to WTC 7? Ther were important documents at WTC 7 about Enron etc. The restaurant at top of WTC had direct Elevators designed to take if just going to eat there. Under the WTC was a lot of shops etc there.

Area around evacuated before crash

NO How would you evacuate a large section of NYC without anyone noticing ??

NO FLY zone ??

Civil aviation (which includes general aviation) are restricted to specific routes around NY to prevent collisions and reduce noise

Plane blow up on impact

Exterior shell of WTC was made of lattice of steel beams held together with welded spandrel plates and bolted together
in sections

Plane impact snapped off welds and bolts

Section of exterior wall in street

sites.google.com...

Impact hole

911research.wtc7.net...

a reply to: The only 1 who knows the

There was no planes that hit the WTC made in Hollywood. Do the searches.

Please post the address of the movie studio. Otherwise, you have no case.

No bodies found at Flight 93 why no planes were in the air and all grounded before.

Don't tell that to United Airlines because:

Text: United Airlines Statement on Plane Crashes

Following is a statement issued by United Airlines on the crash of Flight 93 near Pittsburgh and Flight 175 in a location that was not immediately disclosed:
United Airlines has now confirmed that two of its aircraft have crashed.

— UA 93, a Boeing 757 aircraft, departed from Newark, N.J. at 8:01 a.m. local time, bound for San Francisco, with 38 passengers on board, two pilots, five flight attendants.

— UA 175, a Boeing 767 aircraft, departed from Boston at 7:58 a.m. local time, bound for Los Angeles, with 56 passengers on board, two pilots and seven flight attendants.

www.washingtonpost.com...

I am very sure that United Airlines is not a government agency.

Cell phones don't work in a plane cabin, the windows are made with lead just like the old TV picture tubes radiation.

Well, the main reason why I turn off my cell phone when flying is because people were calling as I was busy flying the aircraft.

Are you one of those folks that I have warned 9/11 conspiracy theorist about in regard to certain people posting disinformation on the Internet with an agenda to discredit the Truth Movement, or, are you the real thing?!

originally posted by: skeptic_al
I think that's the only way we will find out why he was reading My Pet Goat
upside down.

First of all the book is actually called "The Pet Goat" not 'My' Pet Goat. Secondly bush was never reading this book upside down. The original is an associated press photo that someone doctored (if you look at the sleeve of the book the back cover, when flipped so the copy in Bush's hands would be the right way round, we see the image is in reverse, a clear indication it's been tampered with). On top of all this, the book in question (the one everyone says was upside down) was actually "America: A Patriotic Primer" by Lynne Cheyney, wife of that famous Dick, Cheyney and the photo was taken in 2002.

For the record I am a Scotsman who believes.we haven't been told the truth of 9/11 and thinks Bush is a scumbag that needs to be tried as a war criminal (along with his henchman Blair). I just believe that sharing $hite like the upside down book does the truth movement more harm than good...

originally posted by: skyeagle409
a reply to: In4ormant

An internal inspection revealed that application of fire protection on WTC structural steel was substandard.

So, in your opinion, does the substandard Fire Protection explain how both planes managed to hit recently refurbished parts of the towers?

a reply to: djz3ro

So, in your opinion, does the substandard Fire Protection explain how both planes managed to hit recently refurbished parts of the towers?

It was just a matter of aiming the aircraft at the buildings, and you will notice in the reports, the collision dislodged fire protection from the steel columns.

Why the World Trade Center Buildings Collapsed: A Fire Chief ’s Assessment

When the jet liners crashed into the towers based upon knowledge of the tower construction and high-rise firefighting experience the following happened: First the plane broke through the tubular steel-bearing wall. This started the building failure. Next the exploding, disintegrating, 185-ton jet plane slid across an open office floor area and severed many of the steel interior columns in the center core area. Plane parts also crashed through the plasterboard-enclosed stairways, cutting off the exits from the upper floors.

The jet collapsed the ceilings and scraped most of the spray-on fire retarding asbestos from the steel trusses. The steel truss floor supports probably started to fail quickly from the flames and the center steel supporting columns severed by plane parts heated by the flames began to buckle, sag, warp and fail. Then the top part of the tower crashed down on the lower portion of the structure. This pancake collapse triggered the entire cascading collapse of the 110-story structure.

vincentdunn.com...

a reply to: djz3ro

So, in your opinion, does the substandard Fire Protection explain how both planes managed to hit recently refurbished parts of the towers?

So what refurb section of the towers you talking about ????

North Tower - American 11 hit by floors 93 to 99 - occupied by office of Marsh & Mclennan insurance & consultants

South Tower - United 175 struck between floors 77-84, much of the space was leased by Fuji Bank

Every spring Port Authority would touch up fire proofing to replace that which flaked off

Dov Zakhiem

The "Vulcans," so named by Condoleezza Rice, were eight foreign policy experts who advised George W. Bush during his 2000 presidential campaign. After Bush assumed the presidency, the Vulcans helped shape the administration’s foreign policy following 9/11, including the military operations in Afghanistan and Iraq. All were veterans of past administrations, having served under either Ronald Reagan or George H.W. Bush, and they included among their ranks Dov Zakheim. Made comptroller and chief financial officer for the Department of Defense in 2001, Zakheim was also named the DoD’s coordinator for Afghan civilian reconstruction in 2002.

www.brookings.edu...

here's who did 9/11

a reply to: HorusChrist
...your recent register...

makes your Gobbledgook [dictionary.reference.com...

seem kind of ... shall I say... like a form of.. effluvium...

originally posted by: In4ormant
Why exactly did this building have fireproofing that needed to be removed if a plane hitting it full of jet fuel couldn't damage or destroy this impenetrable frame??

it had to be have the asbestos removed to get more tenants and make money again but that is very costly. and doing controlled demolition the legal way is also very expensive. larry silverstein didn't really care if the building was fireproof or not but no one besides dumb firms would rent out the asbestos filled buildings. Because it causes cancer.