Bush's connections and now a possible connection to controlled demo consulting and planning company

reply to post by drew hempel


Great thread that I wasn't aware of, just went through the whole thing. Thanks for the bump drew.
S+F

Bumping for those that may not have seen the information within. Lots of research still needs to be done on this subject.

Originally posted by _BoneZ_
The "upgrading" in those areas could have been actual prepping for those areas to be weakened.
Yes, the odds of 3 planes hitting 3 buildings (2 WTC and 1 Pentagon) in the 3 locations that had upgrades?

How Ironic that you don't realize your own thread and OP make a great case as evidence supporting NRPT and TV fakery that may have masked the planes and explosives... and the real possibility nrpt raises that the alleged "planes" may have been nothing more than missiles or drone attacks disguised as planes or only appeared to be planes from a distance. What other reason would there have been for the upgrades other than to "prep" that specific area the "impacts" were supposed to occur/appear?

2 funny

Originally posted by _BoneZ_
Originally posted by Amaterasu:
Pretty high if the planes were CGI or holograms..

Yeah, the no-plane/tv fakery disinfo has been debunked here:
arabesque911.blogspot.com...

Not by any stretch of your imagination has that or you debunked no-plane/tv fakery. If anything, its disinfo to make the claim it has been.

Originally posted by Amaterasu
I am certain that with a plan this large, it was not left to chance that some religion-blinded, unskilled "pilots" would actually find the targets, let alone actually hit them.
That's why we have remote controlled and GPS-guided planes.

and so are missiles and drones.

hence NRPT is credible within that context as well.

Originally posted by Amaterasu
Virtually ALL of those who reported that day that they saw a plane were from the media
Yet there were also independent and home videos made also:
www.youtube.com...
There are several clips there where people react to the plane before it even hits the tower.

NO, your assumption is that its a "plane" that they're reacting to...lets get that straight.

Originally posted by _BoneZ_
All those people seeing an invisible plane that makes roaring jet sounds in front of thousands of people. Yeah.....

except thousands of people seeing a plane, is the same unsupported claim you and most have been making for years.

To the OP: Awesome sleuthing! Thank you so much for this!
And thank you for stopping by my thread and dirtying it up with the tv fakery disinfo.

you can resist and deny there's irrefutable evidence supporting the nrpt that even your own OP contains all you want, but it won't change the fact there is.

Originally posted by _BoneZ_
There are 3 tv fakery/no-planes threads at the top of this 9/11 forum and I've busted more than one disinfo agent purposely perpetrating lies and peddling disinfo about the subject. You should go read my posts in those threads. NPT'ers have no legs left to stand on.

any objective and honest person reading those threads will agree its you thats really the one with no legs left to stand on and have disappeared from most of them once your debunkings have been debunked.

Wow great thread, thanks for bumping or would never have seen this

But on the posters comments on TV fakery? thats the insane thing ive ever heard, thousands of people saw it, and tv cameras and mobile phones etc were all recording the 1st tower when the 2nd plane went into the 2nd...

Originally posted by truthseekr1111

Originally posted by _BoneZ_
The "upgrading" in those areas could have been actual prepping for those areas to be weakened.
Yes, the odds of 3 planes hitting 3 buildings (2 WTC and 1 Pentagon) in the 3 locations that had upgrades?

How Ironic that you don't realize your own thread and OP make a great case as evidence supporting NRPT and TV fakery that may have masked the planes and explosives... and the real possibility nrpt raises that the alleged "planes" may have been nothing more than missiles or drone attacks disguised as planes or only appeared to be planes from a distance. What other reason would there have been for the upgrades other than to "prep" that specific area the "impacts" were supposed to occur/appear?

2 funny

If the planes have been drones (technically possible, systems were in place to "highjack" an highjacked plane from the ground as early as the 90s) why the need for additional tv fakery. If tv fakery is involved, where are private videos that show missing planes. If you argue that youtube censors those, there are many other channels, like hosting sites on the internet and numerous p2p networks where one could upload footage where no plane is, where the TV cameras shows one to be.

Originally posted by WonderwomanUSA
reply to post by _BoneZ_

 

If this is all true then Tom Leppert is a murderer, and the Bush family are their accomplices, which makes sense why Bush appointed Tom Leppert President’s Commission on White House. Bush must have made some promises to Leppert, if he could do the job destroying the WTC, he would then invited Leppert into Bushes inner circle of the most powerful elite, Mr. Leppert will never have to worry about money again. (It is always about the money)

If this address is correct: 9525 Alva Ct., Dallas, Texas why don’t we write Mr. Leppert and ask him if this is all true. I am sure he will respond saying that these are all coincidences, my guess there is too many coincidences.

Turner Construction Company also occupied the 38th floor of WTC 1:

Now, I see why it was not a problem to set up demolition charges in the WTC. The culprits already had full access to the Trade centers, no one would have bat an eye to what was going on. How convenient for Turner Construction to get the contract to clean up ground zero, and they made sure all of the evidence of demolition was disposed of. Turner Construction did not want some one else to clean up the site, for fear of some one might stumble onto something.
What a nice reward becoming Mayor of Dallas TX for conspiring to killing 3000 innocent people. I do not think God will be very pleased when Mr. Leppert kicks the bucket, he will have to face his consequences.

I think the only reason the WTC changed hands into private hands was to pull off the false flag operation.

It was obvious from the beginning what the Republicans and Bush stood for and it was staring you all in the face and you didn't see it.

Updated the links in the OP to keep the thread relevant. Especially with elections not too far away, and talk about Jeb Bush running for president.

Important information that people need to know BoneZ. Excellent thread. In fact there is a new book called Another 19 - investigating legitimate 9/11 suspects by Kevin Ryan. All the connections you mention plus those of Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Perle, Pipes, Giuliani, Kerik, Bremmer, Canavan, Deutsch and many others.
How could it be any plainer 9/11 was planned and executed by those inside our own government? Bin Laden didn't schedule multiple military exercises on the day of 9/11 nor would he have been able to know about such drills to take advantage of them.
The same people who ran the investigation were the same involved in letting off the Iran/Contra conspirators - Lee Hamilton especially.
Looking back over the decade that followed don't wonder why the country is broke, disliked internationally or is unable to respond the needs of it's citizens.

We are still living under a declaration of national emergency to this day.
No need to wonder why Congress or your vote is irrelevant.

reply to post by Cassius666


Dropping in late...just wanted to comment on this little bit

If you argue that youtube censors those, there are many other channels, like hosting sites on the internet and numerous p2p networks where one could upload footage where no plane is, where the TV cameras shows one to be.

You could...but from experience...I can tell you that any "private" video on youtube or any other hosting services is laughed at...and followed up by comments like "any trustworthy source for this video ?" I personally attested to ATS moderators screaming that they don't accept any other video evidence apart from high quality official source ones..."

I don't subscribe to no plane theory...but to me...it's not that wacky. Guess I have a wild and childish imagination

_BoneZ_

Originally posted by Chadwickus
Could another possibility be that there wasn't a controlled explosion but some sort of weakening of the structure in those areas?

The "upgrading" in those areas could have been actual prepping for those areas to be weakened. But no matter how you look at it, steel structured high-rises don't just collapse completely at near free-fall speeds (resistance from the lower structure taken away). On top of that, you can see the squib detonations on several sides of the towers going from top to bottom as the buildings are collapsing.

Indeed.

People can see for themselves, first hand.



That's just one video, there are many more.

It's self evident, sadly.

Actually, on Jesse Ventura's "Conspiracy Theory," episode on 9/11 he theorizes that "super thermite" may have been mixed into paint and then painted onto surfaces that structurally failed due to heat. Now if these allegations are true, and the very same floors that were impacted were "upgraded" and "fireproofed" shortly before 9/11 his theory might hold water.

Well I'll be! A new buzzword-SUPER thermite!!!!

So they painted it on the floor trusses and walls so the missiles disguised as planes-that were radio controlled could fly-by remote control of course-into the SUPER thermite.

The Bush-Walker family have direct ties to Hitler and the Nazi's, but that's a whole different forum.

Lets see both the Fuhrer and the Bush family breath an oxygen/nitrogen atmosphere. That wraps it up.

'easily done if the planes were remote-guided in as most researchers think they were' Was it remote controlled or remote-guided?

reply to post by spooky24


The planes were not flown by poorly trained Saudi hijackers.

The self evident proof of controlled demo indirectly proves that.

Plus, a close examination of the south tower plane on approach to the point of impact reveals that the plane was not being flown by a beedie-eyed Islamist extremist.

Even a professional pilot who flew that very aircraft (alleged aircraft) said that he himself could not have flown it in that manner at 1000 feet altitude, in other words that the controls would have stiffened up and become unresponsive precluding the ability to make that final high-g turn pre-impact.

In his view the plane was flying well beyond the performance envelope of the alleged aircraft, and it was clocked at about 575-600MPH.

If the building are prepped and ready for demo, the outcome would have to be absolutely assured, and there are too many variables in a hijacking.

This doesn't mean that planes were not hijacked, and may have been done so even as part of the War Games Ops going on that day involving just that type of scenario. Patsy Saudi hijackers might have even thought they were part of a training exercise.

What happened to the originating planes and the people on them is an unknown.

But proof of CD demonstrates very clearly that the the planes that impacted the twin towers on 9/11 were remotely piloted drone aircraft, most likely prototypes of the Boeing KC-767 Tanker Transport, based on the Boeing 767-200ER with enhanced avionics, and a stronger structure, enabling such performance as witnessed on video on 9/11, including a big payload of incendiary and explosive detonator of some kind on impact so as to ensure that the plane exploded in the confines of the building - for maximal "shock and awe" viewing horror.

KC-767 aerial refuelling tanker design

The structure incorporates new materials such as improved aluminium alloys, graphite composites and hybrid Kevlar graphite composites, which give enhanced strength, durability and longevity.

Performance

The KC-767 can fly at a maximum speed of 915km/h. The cruise speed is 851km/h. The range and service ceiling are 12,325km and 12,200m respectively.

www.airforce-technology.com...

In fact, magnification of the south tower plane, from two separate angles, and cameras..





i.cnn.net...

[Request: for that second image from CNN, could someone with the skill level please magnify that to show the same little dark circle under the tail? thanks]

- Shows a small dark circle under the tail precisely where the retracted or removed rear refueling boom resides in the Tanker variant of the Boeing 767 commercial airliner.


Just in case anyone tries to raise the idea that it's a "tail skid" device to protect the plane's "ass" when rotating on liftoff in the event that it's too steep, there is no such device on the Boeing 767-200ER (the alleged model of the south tower plane), and where there is such a thing on the larger variants because their tail is longer, even then it's not circular (see image above, lower right).

Re: Speed

New York Times
February 23, 2002
A NATION CHALLENGED: THE TRADE CENTER CRASHES; First Tower to Fall Was Hit At Higher Speed, Study Finds

By ERIC LIPTON AND JAMES GLANZ
Researchers trying to explain why the World Trade Center's south tower fell first, though struck second, are focusing on new calculations showing that the passenger jet that hit the south tower had been flying as fast as 586 miles an hour, about 100 miles an hour faster than the other hijacked plane.
The speed of the two planes at impact has been painstakingly estimated using a mix of video, radar and even the recorded sounds of the planes passing overhead.
Two sets of estimates, by government and private scientists, have surfaced, but both show that the plane that hit the south tower at 9:02 a.m., United Airlines Flight 175, approached the trade center at extremely high speed, much faster than American Airlines Flight 11, which hit the north tower at 8:46 a.m.
In fact, the United plane was moving so fast that it was at risk of breaking up in midair as it made a final turn toward the south tower, traveling at a speed far exceeding the 767-200 design limit for that altitude, a Boeing official said.
''These guys exceeded even the emergency dive speed,'' said Liz Verdier, a Boeing spokeswoman. ''It's off the chart.''

Tanker Transport Performance, & Pallet Info (which contains the fuel/incendiary)
Note the mention of price difference pointing to the variations in the age of the aircraft, since this was a retrofit build/re-build, either from a new or a used Boeing commercial airliner, which may or may not have windows.

KC-767 Common Widebody Tanker & Transport

www.globalsecurity.org...

The Boeing 767 family of aircraft, specifically the –200C/F, 300C/F and –400C/F models, have been proposed by Boeing as a replacement for the KC-135 family of aircraft, and have been vigorously marketed by Boeing. In terms of offload performance, the proposed Boeing KC-767 modestly outperforms the standard KC-135R. Costs for used 767-300ER aircraft vary between $51M and $88M, depending on the age and condition of the aircraft. In terms of speed its Mach 0.8 performance compares to the Mach 0.85 or better performance of the KC-135 aircraft.

Standard Military 463-L Fuel Cargo Pallet
"In the cargo configuration, the aircraft can transport 19 standard military 463-L pallets; in the passenger configuration, 200 passengers can be accommodated; and in the Combi configuration ten cargo pallets and 100 passengers can be carried."

www.inetres.com...

Pallet Dimensions
Width: 108 inches. Length: 88 inches.
Height: 2 1/4 inches.

Pallet Usable Dimensions
Width: 104 inches. Length: 84 inches.

Pallet Weight, Empty 290 lbs
Weight of Nets (side and top) 65 lbs
Maximum Cargo Weight 10,000 lbs
Desired Load Capacity 7,500 lbs
Maximum Gross Weight 10,355 lbs

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With regards to the fireball and smoke cloud magnitude of the south tower impact, a group of German Engineers led by a line of inquiry completely separate from and therefore presumably unaware of other physical evidence showing that the south tower plane was not UA175, N612UA,

The United Airlines Flight 175 aircraft was a Boeing 767-222 that had been built in 1983, registration number N612UA
en.wikipedia.org...

deduced, that a fully fueled Boeing 767-222 (200, same diff) for a transcontinental flight from Boston to LA, could not possibly have had enough fuel to account for the magnitude of the fire ball(s), even if the vast majority of the fuel and fire was ejected from the confines of the building. But the conclusion they arrived at, even as an approximation, showed it to be larger by many many orders of magnitude than what would be possible.





9/11 was an inside job.

Don't shoot the messenger.


It's only bad news if nothing is learned from the entire episode of historical insanity, much of which has continued even to this day in regards to the overall policy objectives, outlined by Philip Zelikow, not only after 9/11, in the form of the only official historical accounting of the event, including the "public myth" in regards to it in hindsight, but also before it, making of the imagined event, it's eventual realization, as a policy position, set out a year prior to the event itself as "the New Pearl Harbor" and the "catalyzing catastrophic terrorist event" enabling just about everything that we've seen go down, including the Afghan and Iraq wars, precisely as outlined in the PNAC Document "Rebuilding America`s Defenses, Strategy, Forces and Resources for a New Century".

It's only REALLY bad, to the degree that nothing is learned from it, looking back on it as future history.

The Lord has a profound sense of history, as many of us know, so they didn't get away with anything scott free, because history, real history, as in the objective truth and reality cannot be fooled, and neither can all the people all the time, it just doesn't work that way. Truth comes to light, and it doesn't matter how long it takes, and no one but God owns history, in the final analysis at the end of the day.

The awareness of it then is critical, as well as the telling of the story no matter how horrific the realization might be, and let's face it "that which hurts, instructs" (Ben Franklin).

By LEARNING from it, no matter how painful, history, the new history we are creating, this generation and the next, is redeemed for the sake of all the many victims of 9/11 both on that day and in it's wake for the sake of "security" and "justice" even vengeance, and war.

9/11 truth is still probably the most powerful and effective means of taking back the cause of history for the sake of the little man, the downtrodden the oppressed and the exploited, and for the sake of what is right and true, and REAL.

The whole society and civilization they tried to create and feed us, has already fallen, and we all know it, but 9/11 truth knocks down the whole line of black dominoes, right to the very origin of the fundamental lie about it, that we ALL know isn't true.

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Is this simply a case of believers in the 9/11 inside job theory inventing new hogwash to build their faith up because of constant defeat when they're shown the facts? This allows me to predict the stream of hogwash will never stop flowing.

GorehoundLarry

Originally posted by questioningall
reply to post by _BoneZ_

 

WOW, lots or research and digging went into the thread, nice job..... the sad reality is... there are way too many dots that connect regarding 9/11 and Bush, but people just don't want to connect them. Maybe one day - some will come out with the truth.

S and F for you! Nice leg work and connecting of the dots!

He was our president for crying out loud of course he was involved!

But seriously, Bush wasn't behind 9/11. There are actual individuals out there who really do dislike us enough to attack our country. Why is that SO HARD to believe is beyond me.

Ladies and gentlemen....I give you the stupidest post in history ^^^^^

reply to post by jonnywhite


Did you analyse the data presented in the OP, about the rennos/upgrades at the WTC Twin Towers complex and where they took place? Did you see it?

Just LOOK!

The buildings, the STEEL buildings..



Went down, from top to bottom, to within maybe three seconds of absolute free fall in nothing but air, alone..

NewAgeMan

9/11 was an inside job.

Don't shoot the messenger.

It's only bad news if nothing is learned from the entire episode of historical insanity, much of which has continued even to this day in regards to the overall policy objectives, outlined by Philip Zelikow, not only after 9/11, in the form of the only official historical accounting of the event, including the "public myth" in regards to it in hindsight, but also before it, making of the imagined event, it's eventual realization, as a policy position, set out three years prior to the event itself as "the New Pearl Harbor" and the "catalyzing catastrophic terrorist event" enabling just about everything that we've seen go down, including the Afghan and Iraq wars, precisely as outlined in the PNAC Document "Rebuilding America`s Defenses, Strategy, Forces and Resources for a New Century".

It's only REALLY bad, to the degree that nothing is learned from it, looking back on it as future history.

NewAgeMan

Catastrophic Terrorism:

Elements of a National Policy

by Philip D. Zelikow, December 1998

www.hks.harvard.edu...

You may note how his language found it's way into this policy report by Dick Cheney.

Rebuilding America's Defenses: Strategy, Forces and Resources For a New Century
A Report of the Project for the New American Century
September 2000

www.newamericancentury.org...

"Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event - like a new Pearl Harbor."


On September 11, 2001, George W. Bush wrote in his journal: "The Pearl Harbor of the 21st century took place today." He was echoing the summary of a September, 2000 report titled "Rebuilding America's Defenses" published by a neoconservative think tank called the Project for a New American Century (PNAC).


Zelikow, in his own words, before 9/11.

The idea of 'public presumption'," he explained, "is akin to [the] notion of 'public myth' but without the negative implication sometimes invoked by the word 'myth.'

Such presumptions are beliefs (1) thought to be true (although not necessarily known to be true with certainty), and (2) shared in common within the relevant political community."

So Zelikow, the guy who wrote The 9/11 Commission Report, was an expert in how to misuse public trust and create PUBLIC MYTHS.

If 9/11 was nothing but a huge HOAX, you would naturally expect that the event itself would have to be perfectly scripted.

In 1998, Zelikow actually wrote Catastrophic Terrorism about imagining "the transformative event" three years before 9/11.

Here are Zelikow's 1998 words. Readers should imagine the possibilities for themselves, because the most serious constraint on current policy is lack of imagination.

An act of catastrophic terrorism that killed thousands or tens of thousands of people and/or disrupted the necessities of life for hundreds of thousands, or even millions, would be a watershed event in America's history.

It could involve loss of life and property unprecedented for peacetime and undermine Americans' fundamental sense of security within their own borders in a manner akin to the 1949 Soviet atomic bomb test, or perhaps even worse.

Constitutional liberties would be challenged as the United States sought to protect itself from further attacks by pressing against allowable limits in surveillance of citizens, detention of suspects, and the use of deadly force. More violence would follow, either as other terrorists seek to imitate this great "success" or as the United States strikes out at those considered responsible.

Like Pearl Harbor, such an event would divide our past and future into a "before" and "after."

The effort and resources we devote to averting or containing this threat now, in the "before" period, will seem woeful, even pathetic, when compared to what will happen "after."

Philip D. Zelikow

www.ksg.harvard.edu...

"... if the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center had succeeded, the resulting horror and chaos would have exceeded our ability to describe it. Such an act of catastrophic terrorism would be a watershed even in American history. It could involve loss of life and property unprecedented in peacetime and undermine America's fundamental sense of security..Like Pearl Harbor, the event would divide our past and future into a before and after. The United States might respond with.."

~ Philip Zelikow, pre-9/11

While at Harvard he worked with Ernest May and Richard Neustadt on the use, and misuse, of history in policymaking. They observed, as Zelikow noted in his own words, that "contemporary" history is "defined functionally by those critical people and events that go into forming the public's presumptions about its immediate past. The idea of 'public presumption'," he explained, "is akin to William McNeill's notion of 'public myth' but without the negative implication sometimes invoked by the word 'myth.' Such presumptions are beliefs (1) thought to be true (although not necessarily known to be true with certainty), and (2) shared in common within the relevant political community."

Zelikow's focus was on what he calls 'searing' or 'moulding' events [that] take on 'transcendental' importance and, therefore, retain their power even as the experience generation passes from the scene."

In Rise of the Vulcans (Viking, 2004), James Mann reports that when Richard Haass, a senior aide to Secretary of State Colin Powell and the director of policy planning at the State Department, drafted for the administration an overview of America’s national security strategy following the September 11, 2001 attacks, Dr. Rice, the national security advisor, "ordered that the document be completely rewritten. She thought the Bush administration needed something bolder, something that would represent a more dramatic break with the ideas of the past. Rice turned the writing over to her old colleague, University of Virginia Professor Philip Zelikow." This document, issued on September 17, 2002, is generally recognized as a significant document in the War on Terrorism.

en.wikipedia.org...

The Family Steering Committee for the 9-11 Commission repeatedly called for Philip Zelikow’s resignation. The families, citing Zelikow’s close connections to the Bush Administration, were concerned that Zelikow’s appointment made a mockery of the idea that the Commission was “independent.” But the Zionist controlled Bush Administration ignored their complaint.

Zelikow's Conflicts of Interest

1989-91: Zelikow works closely with Condoleezza Rice as part of the National Security Council during George Bush Sr’s Administration.

1995: Zelikow & Rice write a book together.

1996-98: Zelikow & Rice are together again when Zelikow is Director of the Aspen Strategy Group, a Zionist foreign-policy strategy “think tank.” Rice, along with Dick Cheney & Paul Wolfowitz, are also members.

2000: Zelikow & Rice are reunited when Bush names Zelikow to his transition team for the National Security Council.

etc etc etc.. ran out of space, it goes on and on you can be assured.

I am not going to debate someone who, in order to get attention, must insult anyone and everyone in hopes that someone will notice him.

'beedie-eyed Islamist extremist'.

All you have is the same old fairytale and an insulting nature that has not changed in more than 12 years.