Attention: No more duplicate VAMPIRE threads

There are a couple of threads on vampires available in the cryptozoology/mythological beasts forum, yet we still see new ones – asking the same question(s) – being created.

All new vampire Q&A threads will be deleted. Vampire sightings or personal experiences are naturally still welcome.

Examples of existing threads:
Vampire Encounters
Is it possible to be... born a vampire?
Who would like to be a vampire?
vampire sightings
Vampires! Do they exist?
Vampires, the real deal
What’s your opinion on vampires?

Alternatively you can use the search function to find a thread that may answer your questions/fit the topic you would like to discuss.
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Although there are less of them, the same applies for Werewolves, Bigfoot, the Loch Ness monster and so on.

Thank you.

Thank you for this post! What do any of these threads i.e. vampires, zombies, bigfoot, etc have to do with conspiracy? Shouldn't they be put in BTS?

I also have a peeve with any thread with "I", Me" or "My" in the titles. Most of the time they are by people just wanting attention.

It's about [SNIP] time.

The vampire threads have been clogging the cryptid board for too long.

Mod Edit: Removed censor circumvention

[edit on 7-3-2009 by Gemwolf]

I am going to stroke my own ego and claim responsibility for the crackdown

Yay for the ALERT system.

And nagging randoms like me

please by all means get rid of the vamps, but dont TOUCH the zombies!
thats how it spreads man, we dont need any zombie mods runnin around here.

I agree with this to an extent. I think discussion about vampires in a folkloric or mythological context fits in well with this particular forum which is about cryptids and mythological creatures not conspiracy.

However personal claims of vampirism, lycanthropy should be moved into the BTS forum - if only because these threads inevitably follow exactly the same pattern where no evidence or proof is actually given and the discussion actually becomes pretty childish, petulant and indistinguishable from what would otherwise be considered trolling in any other forum.

As for the thread topic in general, I'm glad this finally happened. Reading these kinds of threads is like a message board equivalent of the film 'Groundhog Day'.

Although ATS' main focus is conspiracies, it's not all we do around here. We talk about "alternative topics". And vampires, zombies, werewolves, Bigfoot et al are all pretty much "alternative topics", wouldn't you agree? If we focused on conspiracies alone, we wouldn't have forms like the paranormal forum, the Survival forum, the Fragile Earth forum, the Ancient & Lost Civilizations forum and so on.

Seeing that the crypto is such a quiet forum there really isn't a need to remove personal experiences. We still move "way out claims" but not to the extend as we do with, say, the aliens forum - which is a lot busier and more prone to those kind of stories...

Thank you.
It was getting annoying.

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Thats cool.

But most of us have no beef with the people wanting to discuss Vampires as an alternative topic; the mythology, the history etc.

But most of the topics lately have been from immature posters all talking about hollywood vampires and 'OMG LIEK HOW COOL' it would be to be one... hell, some even think they are one.

Couldn't threads like that, which only make the Crypto forum look like some cheap spin-off of a high school messageboard, be moved to Gray area or Skunkworks?

reply to post by fooffstarr

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All such threads (i.e. immature or nonsensical) will be deleted and won't even be considered for BTS. That's the general rule, but obviously staff will consider each such thread on a case to case basis.

Click here for more information.

I don't care anything about vampires, but I don't agree with just jumping in there and stating no more duplicate threads on vampires, that is a stupid thing to do, I don't care if you are a moderator or not. Why don't you put it up to a VOTE, to see how many people are actually with you on your closed minded approach to people that are interested in vampires.

Obviously vampire threads are very small in size, and obviously someone is interested in them in order to start a thread. Obviously not everyone sees the old threads and obviously if someone starts a new thread, they may be taking a slightly different approach to the subject, or someone may come along that hasn't posted on such a thread before with interesting information.

Why don't you stop all of the 2012 threads, they pop up all the time, and there isn't anyone on this site that knows anything about 2012 other than it's a date the Mayans have on their calendar.

Its supposed to be a conspiracy site, yet the site "relies" on people being paranoid about topics like 2012. Fear mongering and paranoid people abound at this site; more than conspiracy. More that half of the stuff isn't about conspiracy on this site, its just a daily news gathering site.

Most of your biggest threads running on this site right now have absolutely nothing to do with conspiracies.

I say put it up for a vote; but of course that would be "conspiring" (a conspiracy, oh my goodness) against the moderator; so like all tyrants, tyrants will get their way.

Yes, you do have people that agree with the Moderator on this thread, but so what. I think there are more people out there that will make their presence known if it comes to a vote, and I'm pretty sure they would not want vampire threads ruled out because someone wants to stop those threads.

reply to post by RussianScientists

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I think you're reading a bit much in this than there actually is.

1. The announcement comes from me as FSME, not as moderator. If I wasn't a moderator I would still have made the announcement as FSME.
2. The amount of vampire threads was simply getting out of hand, to the point that our fellow members started to complain about it. The staff discussed this and everyone whole-heartedly agreed that there are simply too many threads covering exactly the same approach to the topic/asking the same question.
3. As I mentioned earlier in the thread - obvious duplicate threads will be deleted, but most new vampire threads will be dealt with on a case by case basis.
4. Members were in fact given the opportunity to raise their opinions about the "vampire treads issue" in this thread. Why didn't you say something during the 3 months the thread was left open for discussion?
5. There appears to be some deeper underlying issue here. Subtle hints like your name-calling. If you have an issue with how the board is run, please raise your issues in the ATS Issues thread or if the problem is more personal then you are welcome to use the complaint feature in your MemCenter.

GemWolf, you state: "5. There appears to be some deeper underlying issue here. Subtle hints like your name-calling."

Just where is this so-called name calling. Where are these so called underlying issues that you mention, come on tell me and everyone else, we want to know.

Your "PERSONAL ATTACK POLICY" on me as a member of ATS is not called for especially as a "SUPER MODERATOR".

I have the rights to express my opinions about my thoughts as to your policy or thoughts on Banning postings on Vampires, ect....

and.. then to top it all off, I put a thread out there to put this issue up to a vote, and you ripped it off the site only minutes later stating that the "issue is not up to a vote".


[edit on 8-3-2009 by RussianScientists]

reply to post by RussianScientists

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Again - you focus on me and not the actual topic.
Name calling... You mean by your comment "...against the moderator; so like all tyrants, tyrants will get their way" you didn't insinuate me/all moderators to be a tyrant/s?

I don't understand why you are so angry?

I'm not angry in the least, I simply want fairness for all people. I want all people to be able to post threads and posts on topics that they are interested in.

It seems to me by the manner in which you printed this thread, and probably to most others that read the opening, that you are the person who is instigating it. There is no mention that all of the moderaters are for such a BAN.

I must not have seen your 3 month long episode about vampires, simply for the reason I stated before, I'm not interested in vampires; but I am interested in equal rights and opportunity for all people and their ideas to be expressed and their questions to be answered if they can find a person that knows the answer.

Why? How did you come to this conclusion?

Yes, Yes, this was a one line post. I figured I point it out instead of hearing it from you.

reply to post by intrepid

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Here is what I wrote before: "I have the rights to express my opinions about my thoughts as to your policy or thoughts on Banning postings on Vampires, ect...."

and...

you write....

How did you come to this conclusion?

If I don't have those rights, then I want ATS to WIPE EVERYTHING THAT I HAVE EVER WRITTEN OFF OF THEIR SITE, AND EVERYTHING THAT ANYBODY ELSE COPIED FROM ME TO BE WIPED OFF OF THEIR SITE.

He's not talking about banning new discussion on vampires. New vampire threads that have a novel perspective will be allowed. He means that pointless "OMG what's your opinion on vampires???" - are going to be cut.

I mean, jesus, go read through the thread list that Gemwolf posted. There are several threads that are about the same thing with kind of pointless talk. Even the title of this thread only talks about ending DUPLICATE threads.

They aren't banning discussions on vampires, even out-there opinions. They're trying to eliminate duplicate, pointless threads. ATS even let Nightdweller's posts stay - which I applaud them for.



[edit on 3/8/2009 by Dark Realms]

reply to post by RussianScientists

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As I said before - the announcement is as FSME, not as moderator, so yes I'm the instigator of the policy. You'll find many such "announcements" in most forums by the FSMEs. Even so, there is no need to start each and every "official thread" with "we as staff would like to announce that..."

Each and every official move by a staff member (be it FSME or Moderator) is discussed by the staff before it is initiated, so any official business is backed by the entire staff and in effect the management.

And you still misunderstand the statement. There isn't a ban on vampire threads. There is a ban on duplicate threads. And this isn't new to ATS. The staff closes and redirects tens if not hundreds of duplicate threads every day. ATS doesn't allow duplicate threads. This is not debatable or up for voting. BUT we do take each and every thread on its own and look at its merits. If there is a new angle on an old topic, we typically leave it.

The reason why an announcement was made was because the crypto forum's front page was covered with similar vampire threads, i.e. it was out of hands. And members started complaining about this. So to put an immediate stop to it we made an announcement, and in the same move, we showed members that we do listen to the complaints.


Edit: Grammar

[edit on 8-3-2009 by Gemwolf]