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David , you seem to question the heart of the people , the people didnt do nothing wrong but believe in the American Dream.
I shall merely point out that the slogan "Production for use and not for profit" is now accepted by most men as commonplace, and a commonplace stating a proper, desirable goal. If any intelligible meaning can be discerned in that slogan at all, what is it, if no the idea that the motive of a man's work must be the needs of others, not his own need, desire or gain?
Compulsory labor conscription is now practiced or advocated in every country on earth. What is it based on, if not the idea that the state is best qualified to decide where a man can be useful to others, such usefulness being the only consideration, and that his own aims, desires or happiness should be ignored as of no importance?
We have Councils of Vocations, Councils of Eugenics, every possible kind of Council, including a World Council - and if these do not as yet hold total power over us, is it from lack of intention?
"Social gains," "social aims," "Social objectives" have become the daily bromides of our language. The necessity of a social justification for all activities and all existence is now taken for granted. There is no proposal outrageous enough but what its author can get a respectful hearing and approbation if he claims that in some undefined way it is for "the common good."
Some might think - -though I don't know - that nine years ago there was some excuse for men to not see the direction in which the world was going. Today, the evidence is so blatant that no excuse can be claimed by anyone any longer. Those who refuse to see it now are neither blind nor innocent.
The greatest guilt today is that of people who accept collectivism by moral default; the people who seek protection from the necessity of taking a stand, by refusing to admit to themselves that nature of that which they are accepting; the people who support plans specifically designed to achieve serfdom, but hide behind the empty assertion that they are lovers of freedom, with no concrete meaning attached to the word; the people who believe that the content of ideas need not be examined, that principles need not be defined, and that facts can be eliminated by keeping one's eyes shut. They expect, when they find themselves in a world of bloody ruins and concentration camps, to escape moral responsibility by wailing: "But I didn't mean this!"
Thos who want slavery should have the grace to name it by its proper name. They must face the full meaning of that which they are advocating or condoning; the full, exact, specific meaning of collectivism, of its logical implications, of the principles upon which it is based, and of the ultimate consequences to which these principles will lead.
They must face it, then decide whether this is what they want or not.
On one hand I agree with you. However, you forget that "I" too, have been sucked dry for taxes left and right, and have paid them faithfully since the day I started working. While I'm not one of those who are pacing the floor waiting for a handout, I am sick and tired of the AMOUNT of money we have worked hard to pay our corrupt government, who spends it without a care in the world, while I watch various friends losing homes, jobs, etc., who ALSO paid thousands and thousands in taxes. We are honest people, but do I think I can better spend that money than having it spent on astronomy in HI, or Business Centers, or history museums, or the the smell of pig pooh, or the mating rituals of bears? You betcha!! It makes me sick.
ok, but you seem to be getting angry at us , your fellow ATS.ers, you should be angry at the Politicans
Originally posted by David9176
reply to post by emeraldzeus
I am angry too about what our government has done....with OUR money.
Where the hell were you when Uncle Ray-Gun ballooned the deficit.
Now you are bitching about 768 paultry billion to help try to fix this mess with infrastructure jobs that are needed anyway? or loans to start a new green economy that can PRODUCE things to sell to other countries?
Give me a freaking break with all this my neighbor ruined this country crap.
Not Joe schmo working two jobs making ends meet to afford a house.
Originally posted by emeraldzeus
Meanwhile, we've just done our taxes, and we're getting back LESS than we ever have before....
Originally posted by branty
reply to post by Divinorumus
to be honest , it just sounds like your gloating, 1 am glad you are in a position to look down at you neighbour, you must feel good about yourself
The mortgage crisis caused this...and it's a direct result of government, business...and people buying homes they couldn't afford. Face it.
Originally posted by Divinorumus
I do feel good about myself .. it was difficult, but I did the right thing. It is not a shameful thing to be proud of ones accomplishments and self-determination and self-responsibility and self-control and self-respect. And, I don't look down upon my neighbor .. I'm laughing at him!
One way we can fix all this is to eliminate CONSUMER CREDIT!!! People should EARN what they want FIRST .. not the other way around. And, it's stupid stupid stupid to buy something on credit and pay a lot more for something one couldn't afford in the first dang place.
Yup, I'm not looking down .. I'm LMFAO!