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Healthcare is 'a privilege...not a right': GOP lawmaker

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posted on Mar, 6 2009 @ 10:28 PM
I am self employed. All my life, I have had insurance. A few years ago I had a government loan officer that is also a coc aine dealer steal some of my money to pay a man to go to jail for him, about $75,000. I was denied loans and threatened foreclosure for three and a half years and lost most that had taken all my life to build up. My lawyer was not even allowed to prove that I had repaid the loan. Can you tell me what is fair and just about that? Lawyers have pretty much wiped me out from having to fight them (and the fight is still not even near over) and also other legal battles that came up because of this treatment. I can no longer afford insurance. People with insurance get medical care with little out of pocket cost to them. People on welfare get health care with little or no cost to them. What about people like me that can't afford insurance? We can't afford insurance and we surely can't afford hospital bills. Something needs to be done, but I don't know if letting the government run it is the answer. It could turn out like my situation. Drug dealers or crooks can manipulate the system and steal huge amounts of money. In my situation the man not only stole about $75,000 from me, but he manipulated at least one more loan for $200,000 that I know of. Guess what, he still has the job.

posted on Mar, 6 2009 @ 10:32 PM
reply to post by MBF

Actually that is what the big mulitibillion empire call health care and insurance business is in this nation of ours nothing more that scam artist to defraud the hard working people.

posted on Mar, 6 2009 @ 10:35 PM
reply to post by passenger

Unfortunately our (US) society has taken some unfortunate turns in policy making which has resulted in valuing the worker over valuing the individual.
The right to health care is only one prime example.


posted on Mar, 6 2009 @ 10:44 PM
reply to post by marg6043

The drug task force told me that they knew that he had paid the man between $200,000 and $300,000 to go to jail for him, but they didn't know where he got the money from. When I had him investigated by the office of inspector general, they told me that he had never been involved in drugs. I mailed them a copy of a newspaper article where it told about his arrest for coc aine trafficking from an ongoing investigation and I told them that I felt like they didn't want to find anything.

posted on Mar, 6 2009 @ 10:45 PM
You know, affordable health care for all Americans could be done without ANY taxes at all.
Right now, the Insurance companies are in the driver seat. That can be changed to place the American consumer in the driver seat. Group health premiums are based upon several factors, demographic mix, and most importantly, the number of participants. The more participants in a group plan, in general, the LOWER the premiums.
The US could submit RFP's (requests for price quotation) from Health Care Insurers, to provide a set of group coverage plans (low, medium,high-deductible,HMO-type, preferred providers, etc), based upon a group of participants in the tens of millions. The government could then select the 3 lowest bidders, or some other small number of providers. People would not be forced to go with those providers, if they were happy with their current provider, but given the potential pool, and the potential customer base, insurers would definitely provide much lower bids than their current rates. Those that bid too high would be left with few customers. Each year, the bidding would start again.

posted on Mar, 6 2009 @ 10:48 PM
reply to post by MBF

I am very sorry you are having to got through all this, when you find yourself in the revolving doors of "bureau-crap-cy" in this nation your are in it for long ride.


posted on Mar, 6 2009 @ 10:54 PM
reply to post by marg6043

I've been fighting with this person since 1999. It was about 2004 before I finally got somebody to admit that I had repaid the loan. It was too late by then to do me any good.

posted on Mar, 6 2009 @ 10:58 PM
Look, I was as intoxicated with 'hope' when Bill Clinton was elected president as all these well-intentioned folks were who elected President Obama. I feel so sorry for the young people who think he will change anything for the better -- it won't be happening.

Back in '92 Bill Clinton promised us working folk that we would have affordable insurance; in fact, he promised that his well-qualified wife would personally make it happen. It didn't happen -- and it never will.

America is screwed; don't doubt it.

posted on Mar, 6 2009 @ 11:26 PM
What about all the poor countries we help?? We should be able to take care of our own! Slippery slope here! There are lazy people all over the world. If they reproduce that is a problem, if not, the lazy gene goes away.

posted on Mar, 6 2009 @ 11:27 PM
Say, I have an idea. Why doesn't the damn government get totally out of our personal lives and let us make our own dang deals. For the same damn reason I hate and despise unions doing my negotiating for me and would never tolerate such a thing myself, I also hate the damn government doing the same on my behalf. I've always managed better deals doing my own negotiating. I do not like any idea that lumps me into any kind of groupy thang with everyone else.

And, health insurance would be a lot more affordable if it were eveyone's personal responsibility and civic duty to take damn good physical and mental care of themselves. The next time you are at McFatties, blame the high cost of health care on that overweight dude in line ahead of you that just ordered 3 quarter pounders with extra cheese. Seriously!!! We must also blame every person that doesn't exercise too. There are so many to blame for this, but why do so many forget to also blame themselves?

Seriously, whatever ya'll ultimately decide, count me out! I'll do my own deals and do my best to take care of myself.

posted on Mar, 6 2009 @ 11:27 PM
Forgive me if I sound weird....I am having some cocktails tonight. A rare treat for me! Peace!

posted on Mar, 6 2009 @ 11:39 PM
No one yes has even attempted to answer my question.

Why should my tax dollars go to pay health care for my congressmen and Representatives and I have to pay my HMO close to 1k a mo. for me and my SO?

Do not I deserve the same benefits they receive from my hard work?

Are they so special; and I'm such scum that they deserve preferential treatment?

Please answer me all you rightwing nuts that don't want to pay for poor people receiving health care but think the present system is just fine.

[edit on 6-3-2009 by whaaa]

posted on Mar, 6 2009 @ 11:59 PM
reply to post by whaaa

No one yes has even attempted to answer my question. Why should my tax dollars go to pay health care for my congressmen and Representatives and I have to pay my HMO close to 1k a mo. for me and my SO? Do not I deserve the same benefits they receive from my hard work? Are they so special; and I'm such scum that they deserve preferential treatment?

Actually, although I wasn't responding to you, I did give you the answers in my posts on this thread.

Here is my post on page 6 of this thread:

Does that mean that the congressman will introduce a bill into Congress that eliminates the Health Care that is provided to members of Congress? I will await his bill. Unfortunately, I think that will be a long wait. He certainly didn't hesitate to accept the free health care that he and his fellow members get, AT TAXPAYER EXPENSE, did he? Hypocrisy.

Then, on the same page as your questions above, about 6 or 7 above your post, please see mine. We could provide affordable health care for most Americans, without spending a dollar in taxes.

I am paying almost $1,200 a month for health care insurance for my wife and I. Based upon research that I've done, if my suggestion were followed, and at least 10,000,000 people signed with the lowest cost provider, a very reasonable insurance plan, with say a $500 annual deductible, and relatively low co-pays, could be had for about $300 per month per person.
Such a plan would also assume that the government would force bidding on prescription drugs, as well as hospital, lab and physician services.

posted on Mar, 7 2009 @ 12:34 AM
I think many people may not have health care because they are not eligible for it, or CAN"T F******G PAY FOR IT! Oh, and if we are going to make immigrants an issue, well fine. Just don't let them have the free health care. Citizens only. If an immigrant is eligible somehow (like if they pay taxes, or whatever) then let 'em have it too! This "great industrialized superpower nation" is waaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyy behind other nations that have already found a way to give people free health care. This shouldn't even be debatable for f***'s sake. I'm about ready to Bale out on this one. Seriously

posted on Mar, 7 2009 @ 12:38 AM
Some people just don't make much money. $300 a month out of their pay would be asking for a lot. Sure, those people could "get better jobs", if such jobs were available, but then SOMEONE still has to do those jobs. So $300 really still isn't affordable. It leaves tons of people uninsured.

posted on Mar, 7 2009 @ 01:38 AM
oh, well, got a feeling that the dems might find that they have a few more supporters in virginia...

virginia, like most states had a pretty big deficit. they had to find a way to cut costs somewhere, and well, one the place they decided to cut was in the area of retired teacher's health care. so, well, anyone who retires after this year will not be given that benefit...

oh well, welcome to the real world all you civil servants!! seems that those benefits that you were promised are not set in stone either.

someone suggested that hey, why don't we just make socialism optional, and not force it on anyone. (why they said it I ain't sure, I don't see any difference in what obama's wants to do in changing healthcare than what they've been doing.) he seems to be doing the same old same old to me, opps, the cost of healthcare has gone through the roof again, so let's expand all the programs in an attempt to help a small portion of those that have been cut by the loop. not so much as to actually help all of them, but just enough of them so that the effect of having that many uninsured or under insured people don't upset the apple cart!
well, here's the problem with this idea...
one's person's socialism is another person's "tax incentive", "safety net", seems that the only thing that they agree on is that hey, if one positions ones self in the right position, one can make alot of money if one can predict just where the money will flow to next. and I bet this is partly to blame for the rockiness of the stock market. they are shifting their money around, trying to anticipate where the next big check is going to, and well, just when they think they got it, some idiot in washington opens their mouth and says something that totallly blows that idea out the window and leaves so much doubt as to what the government is doing that opps, everybody is scrambling picking up their marbles and heading for their mattress again.

for those of you who say you think that the system is just fine by have no problem supporting the truly needy, and then proceed to portray those who are complaining as the lazy failures....well, sorry, you seem to be okay with supporting the lazy failures, since anyone with very little or no money is recieving healthcare by programs being supported by your taxmoney, and you claim to think all is just hunky dory! the people you don't want to help out are productive citizens, fellow taxpayers. heck, some may have even helped subsidize your college education that gives you that nice big paycheck! you like the system, as it is..
with it's under 7,000 dow average, it's let's bail out the fdic before they can't cover your government guarenteed bank account, the government sponsered luxury vacations for the big wigs of wall street, and on and on....

what the heck, my husband and me should just not file taxes this year, what the heck...let them come and sieze our house, least then, they would have a complete package, they just about own the bank that owns the note on it anyways! and well, as far as I am concerned, me, my husband, our children will be paying for our home 20 times over probably through higher taxes, higher inflation (if not hyperinflation), higher fees on the federal, the state, and the local level....

maybe we should just pack up our marbles, save up more of our pennies, have our kids do the same, and well, in about a year's time, start migrating south....what the heck, there has to be a place somewhere south of the border that is saner than this place is!!

this whole mess is just one big scam designed to redistribute the wealth, not down to us average working taxpayers, but to the most weathy, wastefull people on the face of the earth! of which, most of it happened while bush and his fellow republicans were in office...but by all means, blame the new guy in town when your ira hits rock bottom!

I heard newt himself say that there was a way to provide affordable healthcare to every american.. if the danged clowns would just get their act together and work it though. the clowns don't want to work it through, there's just too much money to be had with the way things are!

and, I don't care if you are talking about socialization of pure capitalism...when the mindset of the powers that be are what they are today, well, whatever system we came up with would soon be exploited again by the get rich quick crowd, by the creators of fraud, by those who just don't want to put in a honest days work for an honest day's pay, and by the corporate powers that see that extra million that they can earn this year as just more power that they can have over others...
it's not the system that determines the success of any system, it's the hearts of the people within the system...and well, there's just too many hearts that are just filled with darkness! too bad the north pole is just so danged cold, I'd go there and live with the polar bears, but then, it's that cold that is keeping the masses from flocking there more than they have...

oh, well, somewhere on this planet they has to be a nice little area that's better than this!

posted on Mar, 7 2009 @ 02:44 AM
I agree, health care is not a right, it is a privilege...similarly driving is not a right, but the liberals want drivers licenses for illegals...and cell phones for those who cannot afford them...
What is funny about socialized health care, is that in many cities, counties and states THERE IS FREE HEALTH CARE! It's called the county clinic! When they socialize our health care, and make it free for all [by taxing the crap out of everyone] our health care system will be reduced to clinics with long wait times.

Communism/Socialism seeks 'social justice' to make us all equal...and it works! It makes everyone equally poor and oppressed...

[edit on 7-3-2009 by AnonymousMoose]

posted on Mar, 7 2009 @ 02:58 AM
The NHS here in the UK may have its flaws but i think its brilliant.Ive never lived in a country that doesn't have equal healthcare for all its citizens..and im glad i dont.The taxes are not that much considering the benefits..americans spend 500 billion dollars a year on the military for christ sake,thats just obscene..more than the world combined.Mention anything about fair equal health care for all people despite background or wealth and you scream bloody murder.Priorities?

posted on Mar, 7 2009 @ 03:14 AM
To interject, not that it should be my place to point this out about your little corner of the world, but remember "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness"?

Notice "life" is in there? And not... "Life so long as you make a certain wage"?

Right to life is violated by the state if you are dying because some tard won't lift a finger until you pay them.

As I said... outside of third world starving countries... the US is the only nation left that doesn't have a universal health care system in place.

At least install it as a safety net.

I mean... the current public view of America is commonly "They wouldn't lift a finger to help their own people unless there was money in it for them."

Something normally only said about dictatorships and hell holes.

[edit on 7-3-2009 by johnsky]

posted on Mar, 7 2009 @ 06:55 AM

Originally posted by skeptic1
reply to post by Blanca Rose

The prices are outrageous, true. Due to a chronic illness, I see how crazy things are on my bills.

But, it is not the government's job or responsibility to provide healthcare to everyone just because prices are high. They already manage Medicare and Medicaid and we see how screwed up they are.

It is not a right. People are not entitled to anything from the government. It is not their job to prop people up and take care of them and provide form them from cradle to grave.

OK I agree, the government does not have a physical responsibility to provide squat to the population, and that's why we pay taxes to them, to use the money as they see fit on projects noone ever benefits from.

So I ask you, do you have insurance? I don't. I can't afford it, I make too much for any assisted health insurance, and too little to be able to afford it, so what do I do for my kids, pay through the nose for the care they need. Entitlement? I don't think it's entitlement to ask that the government regulate the industry a little more so that a visit to the doctors office to get a prescription for OT or PT isn't 400 dollars just to ask for it.

Forget the ER visits from stupid things because you can't afford to have a primary care doctor, and then the resounding sounds of collection agencies when you get that 6000 dollar bill and can't pay it.

I don't think it's a sense of entitlement to ask that the system be overhauled and the people making millions every year be knocked down a notch or two.

So does the government have to do this, of course not, morally though, would you deny a human being access to life saving care just because they make too much for public health care and too little to have insurance premiums.

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