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The credit crunch tent city which has returned to haunt America

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posted on Mar, 6 2009 @ 02:34 AM
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The credit crunch tent city which has returned to haunt America



www.dailymail.co.uk...

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A century and a half ago it was at the centre of the Californian gold rush, with hopeful prospectors pitching their tents along the banks of the American River.
Today, tents are once again springing up in the city of Sacramento. But this time it is for people with no hope and no prospects.
With America's economy in freefall and its housing market in crisis, California's state capital has become home to a tented city for the dispossessed.
(visit the link for the full news article)



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posted on Mar, 6 2009 @ 02:34 AM
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This is more like a shanty town in South Africa then America but as the credit crunch starts to squeeze people further one can expect these types of dwellings to pop up everywhere.

This new depresstion will be bigger and greater than the 1930 one
and as more people get desperate the crime rate will soar.

What a shame the powers to be has let it get this far, third world conditions in western countries,
please flag thisfor fellow members to comment on.
peace& hope
SM

www.dailymail.co.uk...

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posted on Mar, 6 2009 @ 02:40 AM
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www.dailymail.co.uk...

That link should work.

Well, this is sad.... If true. I mean, why is a British news outlet reporting on American tent cities in Sacremento? No offense intended, they are in another country... and America isn't even talking about these tent cities.

I wanna know, are they there or not?



posted on Mar, 6 2009 @ 02:56 AM
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Sorry link now working



posted on Mar, 6 2009 @ 04:27 AM
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reply to post by LostNemesis
 


British news is reporting it because they have nothing else to report. There is nothing of real worth to report here that hasn't been reported a dozen times already.

Wouldn't surprise me too much if there were tent cities its not more than a step down from trailer parks.



posted on Mar, 6 2009 @ 05:25 AM
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Why don't they just give people some land?
And let them build a house on it and farm some stuff?
What is so bad about that?
At least they wouldn't be sleeping on the street in a cardboard box.
Who does all the land belong to anyway?
The government?
Isn't that the public?



posted on Mar, 6 2009 @ 05:34 AM
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Stockton Homeless Camps Removed

STOCKTON, CA - A large collection of homeless tents and tarps in downtown Stockton have been removed by Caltrans.

"We received a lot of complaints from agencies and community members. The problem has gotten worse with erosion, and there are health and safety concerns that have arisen," said Caltrans spokesman Bob Boswell.

The homeless camps existed under Stockton's crosstown freeway and under on-ramps and off-ramps that connect to the freeway. Caltrans put out notice days ago that the cleanup was coming.



A San Joaquin County homeless outreach worker took part in Wednesday's operation to make sure homeless people are aware of services to help them.

One homeless camp that hadn't yet been removed was about a half mile to the west of Wednesday's operation. A resident there said shelter were not an attractive option.

"As long as I've been out here (outside), I've never gotten sick. I stayed in a shelter and ended up in the hospital for 10 days because I got pneumonia," said Terry Reeve.

Source : News10 Stockton



posted on Mar, 6 2009 @ 05:57 AM
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Originally posted by CaptainCaveMan
Why don't they just give people some land?
And let them build a house on it and farm some stuff?
What is so bad about that?
At least they wouldn't be sleeping on the street in a cardboard box.
Who does all the land belong to anyway?
The government?
Isn't that the public?


I keep wondering the same thing, honestly... I mean, yeah the land BELONGS to the government. And we don't really OWN houses, anyway. They can just take them back whenever...
I just can't figure it out. This makes it impossible to go back to the old ways, of farming and bartering.. when there is no land we are allowed to live on. So instead, we end up homeless... and since gov owns the land, we are supposed to feel thankful for the city letting us sleep in parks in boxes??



posted on Mar, 6 2009 @ 06:01 AM
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I cant understand it either.
Who's land is it?

It belongs to the government?
Don't they work for us?
So aren't they, us?
So they can just give us umm some of our land?

Why do we need there permission to live on our land?
It makes it sound like, the Gov is a separate entity to us, and owns everything like a company.Who gave it to them?We did?
And we have to buy it off them and ask for there permission?
But they work for us?

Really confused.



posted on Mar, 6 2009 @ 06:14 AM
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ahh MSM would create a panic, most people over here are sheep and have no clue as to how bad it is going to get. Sorry but a tent city caused by the banks and govt should be plastered all over the t.v. and papers.

Yea our dear Govt owns the land, there should be some loop hole in the law where as taxpayers we can claim our chunk of the land, and start building.

They think its bad now, wait till next winter, if this keeps on course there will be thousands freeze to death because of no home and no shelter.

Any Lawyers in the group? Maybe ya could do some digging and see if there is a loop hole to allow taxpayers to claim a acre or two to build a house on and live. The laws always have loop holes.

Wouldn't that blow the govt mind..



posted on Mar, 6 2009 @ 06:42 AM
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Originally posted by severdsoul
Any Lawyers in the group? Maybe ya could do some digging and see if there is a loop hole to allow taxpayers to claim a acre or two to build a house on and live. The laws always have loop holes.

Wouldn't that blow the govt mind..


Honestly, I see us going the way of some places in Africa. What I mean, is that you see small 'villages' that the people are allowed to live in. That is all, small area with many, MANY poor people and no resources -- starving.

The same thing will happen, and DOES seem to be happening here. We cannot live on any land with soil for potential food/resources because it belongs to the government... I think 'squatters rights'. That is how Illegals claim legal ability to live somewhere. And our government goes for it.

We need to figure out how to get MidnightDStroyer over here... He is the residential law school dude. He rules.


And, OP. I am sorry for before.. didn't mean to sound like I was attacking you in any way.



posted on Mar, 6 2009 @ 06:45 AM
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Originally posted by severdsoul
Any Lawyers in the group? Maybe ya could do some digging and see if there is a loop hole to allow taxpayers to claim a acre or two to build a house on and live. The laws always have loop holes.

Wouldn't that blow the govt mind..


Wait, I take it all back.... Umm... Remember Waco, TX? These were people that did own their land, farmed their own food, owned their buildings since they built them, themselves... These people were truly self-sufficient.

Ruby Ridge was another incident in which a family lived self-sufficiently.


The government didn't like it -- massacred them -- kids and all.



posted on Mar, 6 2009 @ 07:07 AM
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What I think is funny is that these people might have been there for years,if you were to ask where people are from the majority came here from mid west in search of fame and fortune,like the tent city in Ontario Calif,about 80% were non residents,ever think thats how these people live?looks like news slow across the pond



posted on Mar, 6 2009 @ 07:17 AM
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Originally posted by LostNemesis

Originally posted by severdsoul
Any Lawyers in the group? Maybe ya could do some digging and see if there is a loop hole to allow taxpayers to claim a acre or two to build a house on and live. The laws always have loop holes.

Wouldn't that blow the govt mind..


Honestly, I see us going the way of some places in Africa. What I mean, is that you see small 'villages' that the people are allowed to live in. That is all, small area with many, MANY poor people and no resources -- starving.

The same thing will happen, and DOES seem to be happening here. We cannot live on any land with soil for potential food/resources because it belongs to the government... I think 'squatters rights'. That is how Illegals claim legal ability to live somewhere. And our government goes for it.

We need to figure out how to get MidnightDStroyer over here... He is the residential law school dude. He rules.


And, OP. I am sorry for before.. didn't mean to sound like I was attacking you in any way.


I've been saying that the U.S. would be a 3rd world country in the future.. many laugh at me.. but with things going on it is very possible it could happen in our life time.

Where is MidnightDStroyer, we need a legal mind..

Squatters rights really wont work for national forest land etc, or at least from what i know. But there has to be a Loop Hole some where , where we can at least claim a acre or so..

I have to fully agree though small groups would be the best way, granted i'd rather be in the mountains growing my own food with a group, but many are going to be forced to make due where they are.

Building Alternative housing in the middle of no where is really not that hard.. just takes some time. If we can find a loop hole and get it out, maybe we can help a few get prepared before next winter.

I'd be interested to see what MidnightDStroyer thinks and if anything could be found and done.



posted on Mar, 6 2009 @ 07:39 AM
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Was someone asking who the fabled FEMA camps are for? There you go.



posted on Mar, 6 2009 @ 07:58 AM
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That was my guess a long time ago, displaced people from the depression oops i mean recession and illegals...


Not to mention a place to jail the thousands that will soon be homeless and hungry and out for revenge.

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posted on Mar, 6 2009 @ 08:41 AM
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I've noticed a similar phenomenon in my city. Lately I have noticed more old campers, trailers, and rv's parked in parking lots or along roadsides, spending one or two nights, then moving on.

I have read that people who, before the economic plummet, could afford a cheap space in an rv park now can't afford even that. Hence, taking to the streets to spend the night. The less pricey rv parks are not seeing the drop in business, as people move downward to a more affordable site.



posted on Mar, 6 2009 @ 09:31 AM
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check your local walmart parking lot at night, i know ours in cold temps has about 10 campers and in warmer temps, i have counted 30.

the time will come when campers are a trick to come by, because everyone will decide that its a alternative to living in the streets.
I'd love to have one, but not in the cards for me right now..
but then again, in summer i spend about every other weekend at the lake.
usually tent it, but with a little one at home now.. i dont feel safe in a tent.
I have opened the flap before to see a black bear checking out the brush about 10 feet from the tent. A bit to risky with a little one.



posted on Mar, 6 2009 @ 12:01 PM
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Those people, how they get water, are there public baths, toilet...
Many things pop to mind...



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posted on Mar, 6 2009 @ 12:16 PM
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A little off topic but maybe not. The city of Miami has a homeless camp under the Julia Tuttle Causeway on an Island in Biscayne Bay.

The homeless there all have two things in common. One that there is no agency, charity, organization or private citizen that can aide any of them in living anywhere else but under the causeway, in fact they are required to live under the causeway because of the second thing they all have in common. They are all ex-sex offenders.

An intense lobbying effort led to laws and zoning restrictions that essentially make the only legal place for these people to live as being in the center of Biscayne Bay. Fortunately for them there is an uninhabited island there for them to do this without drowning.

Probation officials check on and do a headcount in the camp several times a day. Men released for sex offences whose residence was Miami before their conviction and the terms of their probation after release require them to still live in Miami are literally escorted by Departments of Corrections Staff to the underpass on this island and informed this is home. As ex-sex offenders this will always be there home as long as they wish to live in Miami or the terms of their probation require them to stay in Miami. Any offender released who isn’t in the camp come sundown will have their probation violated and be sent back to prison.

The camp has no standing shelters, no running fresh water, no toilet facilities and no trash facilities. The men who live in it live in absolute squalor and filth with no hope of reprieve.

Yes, they are sex offenders, presumably all of them guilty of the crime, presumably all of them likely to reoffend as being the reason for the draconian zoning ordinances and overlapping laws that consign them to this purgatory in perpetuity.

Here is the rub though. The local, and state government are well aware of where these men live and how and why. They oversaw the creation of the policies that relegated them there.

In other words the government does have that capacity to be so cruel and heartless.

Substitute unemployed now for ex-sex offender, then substitute patriot now for ex-sex offender, now substitute thief (as in stole a loaf of bread to feed a starving family) for ex-sex offender and imagine if a society becoming more totalitarian by the day might not envision such substitutes as being equally undesirable in their neighborhoods.

America has a lot of dirty little secrets.

The concept of but for the grace of fortune there go I, is something an embattled and increasingly disparate people seem to have lost any sense of empathy for and I would wager that is growing right along with poverty, homelessness and what the men consigned to this encampment really have as their punishment, hopelessness.

Lobbyist Pushed laws that pushed outcasts into homelessness




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