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Will ex-military 'Patriots' form a more dangerous kind of militias? (Video)

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posted on Mar, 6 2009 @ 01:35 PM
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This thread confuses me, I am Canadian and was under the assumption that Americans wanted Obama for pres. Did I miss something?




posted on Mar, 6 2009 @ 01:40 PM
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S&F Good pep video.

If there was ever a good reason to justify WAR... this is it! War against inequality and oppression. War against the people responsible for the crimes committed against the earth and it's inhabitants. War against industrial espionage that causes clean technologies to sit in the dark while people make stupid amounts of money on dirty solutions to the same demand. I could go on and on, we've asked nicely and they just wont listen. I think it's time that they were fired.



posted on Mar, 6 2009 @ 01:41 PM
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Originally posted by stereovoyaged
This thread confuses me, I am Canadian and was under the assumption that Americans wanted Obama for pres. Did I miss something?


I dont understand either, i dont see how they can connect the two, i still see the president as a front man, a puppet. He isnt really making or calling the shots. Then again i could be wrong. So im not to worried about it.



posted on Mar, 6 2009 @ 02:18 PM
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Well, adding to this would be the end-timers with their religious beliefs about Revelations influencing their judgment. Again, the media plays on this. Why else would they point out that GE stock was at $6.66 yesterday?? I mean, it's just another number, it might as well have been $6.67 or $6.65, but that one penny means that there is a religious hysteria to capitalize on. Please.

**I can only imagine what the nuts will do when the Dow reaches 666 points...then we'll be talking.



posted on Mar, 6 2009 @ 02:51 PM
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Well isn't this counter-intuitive, so the soldiers are perfectly fine with Bush but as soon as Obama (who wants us out of Iraq) comes along they're up in arms. Its nice to know these "patriots" let Bush and the Elite run this great nation into the ground and shred our constitution but as soon as a "socialist" gets into office, whether his policies work or not, he must be stopped...

Its scary how divided this nation has become, how the people have been programmed to turn on each other by the PTB. If any revolution is coming down the pipeline it will have to be unified, not divided by party lines, fringe issues, or purpose if it stands any chance of success. Years of political division will likely keep Americans bickering amongst themselves about right wing and left wing, socialism and conservatism, rather than realizing how badly we're being ripped off, controlled, etc...



posted on Mar, 6 2009 @ 02:52 PM
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True, but as far as I've seen, it was Bush who tweaked the Constitution and Obama who has been trying to roll-back the tweaks...no?

So, for someone to fight a revolution against his gov't using "protecting the constitution" as a raison-d'etre would be missing the mark (and one presidential term tardy to the party).

Social programs are not against the constitution. I get pissed when the "media" says things like: "Your grandchildren will be paying for this." (trying to incite violence towards social programs) as if that isn't how taxes work anyway.

You pay taxes now so that programs (such as healthcare, social security, etc.) are in place for the older generation. DUH! When you are of working age and paying taxes, you are not just paying for yourself.

Another Example: Little kids don't pay taxes for their own education. Adults pay taxes for the generation that is coming up behind them to get an education. This allows for a new generation of informed citizens to carry on the torch when those citizens that paid previously are old and gray and in need of the social programs that that new, educated generation is paying into. Is this really that hard to understand???



posted on Mar, 6 2009 @ 02:53 PM
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LAst kiss... epic song, perfect for a revolution.!



posted on Mar, 6 2009 @ 03:05 PM
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Originally posted by sweatmonicaIdo

Originally posted by Armour For Victor
So who is the real threat here?


Those who spread falsehoods and fear about imagined threats, who spread false rhetoric, and those who are willing to use violence in order to shape society as they see fit.


Didn't that happen last year at the RNC?

I vividly recall watching armed "hired" thugs corraling Citizens (although I know that is a term with many definitions), man-handling Reporters and arresting them as well as peaceful folk arbitrarily.
Also I found later the RNC provided insurance against claims from this violation to the City so as not to deter the round up from taking place.
One small example. I could give more if you are not convinced.

Are these acts of the genre you speak?

[edit on 6-3-2009 by imd12c4funn]



posted on Mar, 6 2009 @ 03:33 PM
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Hah you think the military is with us? Heres my proof they are not...
www.youtube.com...
www.youtube.com...

[edit on 6-3-2009 by tjeffersonsghost]



posted on Mar, 6 2009 @ 03:37 PM
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You guys realize this movement is probably being used as a front by the 13 Bloodlines to stir up chaos and civil strife so the entire world falls and will demand a NWO to save them, right?

If it isn't a front, they're being fed a lot of info from those who are hired goons for them. You may want to rise up, but against who? The left? The right? Why not the banksters responsible who are funding this operation too?

Look before you leap.



posted on Mar, 6 2009 @ 03:42 PM
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Is hastobemoretolife the one who posted this on youtube? I just noticed that the Thomas Jefferson quotes in the video are written in the same font and on a black background just like his avatar.



posted on Mar, 6 2009 @ 03:43 PM
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You hit it exactly. The military will not turn on there countryman and the few foreigners or tools who do will be stripped of there rank and possibly there lives. Militias biggest enemy is the propaganda mega machine.

The police on the other hand... They are severally brainwashed. Put in a position of constant disrespect they have grown a hatred for non-law abiding citizens.



posted on Mar, 6 2009 @ 04:01 PM
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You guys realize this movement is probably being used as a front by the 13 Bloodlines to stir up chaos and civil strife so the entire world falls and will demand a NWO to save them, right? If it isn't a front, they're being fed a lot of info from those who are hired goons for them. You may want to rise up, but against who? The left? The right? Why not the banksters responsible who are funding this operation too? Look before you leap.


I'm pretty sure it's understood that with the downfall of the government comes the downfall of this mega corporate America. It's always been a moral issue. Allowing greed to flourish like a seed into a tree growing ever bigger and sprouting new leaves everyday till it is chopped down, removing with it the dark shadow it cast over the people it pretended to protect.

Jefferson understood and identified this seed of evil, his words speak greater wisdom then most will ever know.




Every generation needs a new revolution.



Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.



The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.



posted on Mar, 6 2009 @ 04:07 PM
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Guys we need to keep this country together. They want us to break up the country into individual states. Then they can bring the Amero as the currency for the NAU. We need to fight to fix and keep our government. The bad guys here are easy to find. Its the Federal Reserve. We need to nix the federal reserve. We should buy up our treasury notes with debt free money from the treasury and cause the banks to increase their reserves by the same amount as the new debt free money we are injecting. Then we would not face any inflation or deflation. That would end up with the US using debt free money (no gold standard as they own all the gold) and the banks with 100% reserves.

The powers that be are trying to break us up. Dont do it.



posted on Mar, 6 2009 @ 04:26 PM
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Armed rebellion is a bad idea, while zealously defending the Constitution is a good idea and a duty.

The main reasons for rebellion that I have gathered from reading pro-rebellion talk are going to be problematic, with deadly consequences for innocent people. In a society like America, the truth is very flexible. Facts are spun and perception is not a monopoly. To convince all the people that the Constitution is obliterated is not going to engender a majority passion for rebellion. Instead this rebellion would be a down right Civil War, which WILL kill your mother and grandmother.

Convincing your fellow citizens that you attacked a martial law patrol because 9/11 was an inside job, and not because the economic collapse, is an even harder sell.

In the perception game, just WHO is a "threat" to the Constitution in a rebellion scenario as its heading now? The soldiers keeping the peace? Or the rebels killing the soldiers who just want to "protect us and the constitution"? Clearly perception will lend to the perspective that anti-peace actions against the government are a threat to our civilization and constitution. Who is the domestic enemy? You or them?

In an economic depression or collapse, a riot will be viewed in context of economic motivation. Peace will be demanded. Does our country really need the burden of civil war on top of bread lines? Lets remember that the false flag 9/11 event hasn't and won't be proven in the consciousness anything but the minority.

How will race get spun into this rebellion? There is a socioeconomic line drawn among our demographic population associating large populations of minorities with poverty and government dependence. Which side will they take? Where will that line of propaganda lead within the now fractured nation's consciousness?

Peaceful solutions must be FULLY explored, then redoubled and tried again. There are a lot of options available to you rebels including civil disobedience to raise awareness to your cause.

Outright rebellion on a violent scale will only be justified in reaction to direct and proven tyranny, as witnessed by an informed public. If the constitution is subverted before this tyranny, then your defending something which has died, and you have become a rebel without a cause. imo



posted on Mar, 6 2009 @ 04:31 PM
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Originally posted by kreese
S&F Good pep video.

If there was ever a good reason to justify WAR... this is it! War against inequality and oppression. War against the people responsible for the crimes committed against the earth and it's inhabitants. War against industrial espionage that causes clean technologies to sit in the dark while people make stupid amounts of money on dirty solutions to the same demand. I could go on and on, we've asked nicely and they just wont listen. I think it's time that they were fired.


I agree, but we need an alternative to the inequality, oppression, slavery and greed associated with capitalism. I'm amazed at how many slaves(average Americans are slaves) just don't get how capitalism oppresses and enslaves them. If you are going to fight for something, fight to get rid of the oppressive economic system that enslaves us while a few others get mega rich and the enviroment goes to sh_t.(wana by a vowel?)

I have been researching alternatives and so far I find this system of participatory economics intriguing:

www.newformulation.org...




posted on Mar, 6 2009 @ 05:12 PM
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Originally posted by Ciphor
I'm pretty sure it's understood that with the downfall of the government comes the downfall of this mega corporate America. It's always been a moral issue. Allowing greed to flourish like a seed into a tree growing ever bigger and sprouting new leaves everyday till it is chopped down, removing with it the dark shadow it cast over the people it pretended to protect.

Jefferson understood and identified this seed of evil, his words speak greater wisdom then most will ever know.




Every generation needs a new revolution.



Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.



The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.


And I agree with you, HOWEVER, we cannot put all the blame on the government, we must take accountability too, as well as the banksters. Knocking the politicians out won't matter much if the banksters remain and are ignored as a problem.



posted on Mar, 6 2009 @ 05:18 PM
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Originally posted by stereovoyaged
This thread confuses me, I am Canadian and was under the assumption that Americans wanted Obama for pres. Did I miss something?


The Obama victory has polarized the nation.

It didn't bring the 2 sides closer together, it pushed them even further apart.

The United States is now a nation more divided than at any time since the Civil War.

The economic meltdown is adding fuel to the fire, this could easily get out of hand, some states are already claiming sovreignty.

Obama's lasting legacy may be that he actually manages to cause the US more damage than Bush did, and all this after 8 weeks in office.



posted on Mar, 6 2009 @ 06:06 PM
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Originally posted by sweatmonicaIdo

The Militia existed prior to the Army. So how can you say that it refers to a standing army? The Militias made up a large part of the Continental Army. Take the National Guard, they did not exist until 1933.


Since you attacked my spelling, I will legitimately attack your ability to read.

My post clearly states the standing army is an OUTGROWTH of the militia. In other words, the roots of today's standing army is in the militia. In other words, I did not say the militia referred to a standing army. I did say it referred to the military, because "military" has a very broad meaning. In this case, the Constitution was not referring to private militias, it was referring to a militia that can be raised by necessity during a time of crisis or war. Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution, along with the Militia Clause gives control of the militia to Congress, that same Congress you "patriots" despise so greatly.

If you really want me to nit-pick, the National Guard DID exist before 1933. It was established in 1903, not 1933. It was not made a COMPONENT of the Army until 1933. But then again, what do I know? This is all liberal education, right?


Says a lot about you "patriots." Just like the undemocratic North Korea calls themselves the Democratic People's Republic, the unconstitutionalist "patriots" call themselves "Constitutionalists."

Case closed.

[edit on 6-3-2009 by sweatmonicaIdo]



Case Closed? I do not think so. First I did not "attack" your ability to spell- one should read through right? What is a Militia? It is the People.

I can see that you still blind... I can't make a blind man see. You can attack me to your hearts content, makes no difference to me. I will and my Patriot Group will do what's right while people like you remain to be sheep.

I can see what kind of Patriot you are... so Raise your right hand high.
Maybe you should take all that stored vemon you have for the rest of us-that are out recruiting, training and whatever else and do some good than hding in the dark behind your keyboard.

Or have we started a time when we will be calling each other "comrad?"



posted on Mar, 6 2009 @ 06:13 PM
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Originally posted by GovtAgent


last, openly talking about pro-revolution and pro-militia on a thread where it just takes a couple of seconds to look up your IP and personal info should be avoided. This has been said multiple times on other threads. Openly asking for a militia to open or form or to accept will bring probing eyes. Secrecy is our weapon, as it is theirs. You must think like them...all they need to do is got to abovetopsecret.com and read your thoughts. You're making it too easy.....Oy Vay.

[edit on 6-3-2009 by GovtAgent]


I am not concerned that I will be found out. Why should I have to hide? I have been around along time and I am not going to hide any longer. First, I am an American, I have Rights Still- well maybe for alittle longer.

When did we have to start fearing our Government? It should be the other way around! Everything I do is LEGAL! Until of course they find a way to make it illegal. So why fear?



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