Martinez is an ass. And WND is not a credible source. They probably made this up. Although I wouldn't put it past "let em all in" Martinez to make an assanine statement as such.

Even though I believe Obama was born in Hawaii and qualifies as a natural born citizen, I don't agree with this Senator's perspective (assuming this a real story).

He is talking about eligibility in a 'vetted' sense, it seems to me. He's approach appears to be "the voters knew about Obama and his background, since the majority approved him, they considered him eligible".

Eligibility as it's understood in the Constitution is not a matter of popularity or approval, but a requirement of one's citizenship status.

One thing we should be aware, however, is that the Constitution doesn't specify how that eligibility is to be determined. Since it doesn't, it's understood that its interpretation and enforcement is up to the legislature (Congress).

But there are no Amendments, or US statutes that establish how eligibility is determined.


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Ok, so how would we determine if someone is a US naturl born citizen? How would we check to see if it was any normal Joe on the street? Would any of them have as much chance to stay here as much as Obama has?
No, he has lawyers who all day long, just think of ways to keep him out of trouble by bending whatever law they see fit. Why cant he just hand over the documents? whats so hard about that?

Originally posted by Common Good
Ok, so how would we determine if someone is a US naturl born citizen?

Superficially speaking, if a person was born in the United States.

How would we check to see if it was any normal Joe on the street?

In the United States, a prima facie evidence of that would be a birth certificate or a legal equivalent of that depending on each State's legislation.

Would any of them have as much chance to stay here as much as Obama has?

Stay here? Please explain.

when I say stay here I meant To stay in the position they are in.
If it was anybody else, they wouldnt have let them into office without showing the proper paperwork.

"Superficially speaking, if a person was born in the United States. "
he hasnt proved that, obviously.

"In the United States, a prima facie evidence of that would be a birth certificate or a legal equivalent of that depending on each State's legislation. "

He hasnt shown it.

So lets try n keep this thread on track please. Do you people think that he constitution is void in this matter? That its really up to the people?

Originally posted by Common Good
If it was anybody else, they wouldnt have let them into office without showing the proper paperwork.

Nowhere it is defined what "proper paperwork" exactly is, but obviously one understands that this must be a federally legal recognized document.

"In the United States, a prima facie evidence of that would be a birth certificate or a legal equivalent of that depending on each State's legislation."
He hasnt shown it.

Well, are you saying Obama's Certification of Live Birth isn't a federally legal recognized document? What is your basis?

Originally posted by Common Good
No I do not, and I dont think many other people dont think that it is either.

It doesn't matter what you or other people think, what's important is what legally matters.

I thought you were going to substantiate your claim on why a certified document from the State of Hawaii would not be federally recognized, but I understand now that it wasn't even a fair request on my part.

This thread isnt about that though, so lets keep this thread on point please.

As you wish.

I dont know how to feel to this. I knew that there would be in no way to get Obama out of his office, but I didnt think that they would use "the constitution doesnt matter" approach.

They? Who are 'they'? This is a Republican Senator. Or is this Republican Senator also part of that big conspiracy to put a non-natural born citizen in Office?

I dont care if its a republican senator? What makes you think that I give a damn what side of the political fence they are on ? Democrat or republican, doesnt matter to me, as long as they obide by the constitution, and they arent. IT IS about the law, its not about what the people say, and thats my whole point.Just because you elected a guy into the office, doesnt mean that he isable to keep that office just because you say he can.
Do you think he should stay in office just because he was voted in by the people? Answer that for me.

Originally posted by Common Good


Wow. SO they just took the constitution and threw it out the window because a majority of people say he is good enough to be the president?

In a true republic, the majority would..no...could not infringe on an individuals rights. Everything is backwards.

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Originally posted by Common Good
Do you think he should stay in office just because he was voted in by the people? Answer that for me.

I already answered that, on my first post. Perhaps you didn't see it

Originally posted by converge
Even though I believe Obama was born in Hawaii and qualifies as a natural born citizen, I don't agree with this Senator's perspective (assuming this a real story).

He is talking about eligibility in a 'vetted' sense, it seems to me. He's approach appears to be "the voters knew about Obama and his background, since the majority approved him, they considered him eligible".

Eligibility as it's understood in the Constitution is not a matter of popularity or approval, but a requirement of one's citizenship status.

Ok thank you. Thats all I needed to hear.

Originally posted by Common Good


Wow. SO they just took the constitution and threw it out the window because a majority of people say he is good enough to be the president?

One senators comments do not describe a larger They, nor does it presuppose an Event in which They would have had a chance to make any Decision.