Originally posted by Europa733
reply to post by ZeroGhost
1st of all, are you sure that technological advancement reached in a very short time laps would be a good thing for humanity, specially if it would
come from some advanced ET civilization, probably very different ?
We did not reach type 1 yet on the Kardeshev scale but I do believe that if
we did jump from a Type 0 to a type 1 or 2 civilization within a few years for example and not by ourself, we could all die.
Why, because our civilisation needs to grow (spiritualy) at the same rate as our technology, if technology goes way beyond what we can "spiritualy"
handle, who knows what might happen ?
An exemple, there's all kinds of wackos on this planet, terrorists are part of them, let's say these people get their hands on some super
destructive new kind of explosive or chemical weps'. Do you really think they would not use it & them ?
Don't get me wrong, I support initiatives like S3ETI, OSETI, SETV, SETA but I do not see only positive things in what you listed and I know mankind
needs to grow up @ it's own "natural" rate. That's maybe even why if ETs are visiting us, they will not trade their technology and avoid contact
with us. Why, maybe because they know that we could use it against them or ourselves.
Nice thread so. , projections are always interesting.
[edit on 9-3-2009 by Europa733]
Thanks Europa for the great questions. I agree that too rapid advancement without development of our general awareness would be fraught with danger,
but I would ask what is natural advancement? Also we should define "spiritual" as awareness and understanding. Yes, that would be needed in
proportionate levels. Like a building getting bigger would need to strengthen supports and foundation, or collapse from its unsupported weight.
Natural, meaning no influence or inspiration from advanced species or distant historical pre-civilizations? I'm pretty sure if it happens, its
natural. So the use of the word "natural" might be questionable, but otherwise I can agree.
Taking into account a significant advance in our awareness, a jump might be possible to type 1 or even 2. As it is now, we would surly extinct
ourselves for a lack of practical context.
I think we need to allow for the "fuzzy" effect also. If shown these wonders by a type 1 civ, we might spend years studying new technology to
understand it, being otherwise barred from it's use until we are deemed rated for its use. A span of transmutation might need time to safely
administer such advances.
It would be many years and maybe a couple generations before we were allowed its use new technologies or knowledge without supervision. I really
cannot imagine such management, as any civilization imposing their control on us would likely have issues we would be effected by. Would they be
stern, aloof, authoritarian, ask for worship or other forms of appreciation. Nothing is free. Yet.
I have played out many scenarios in my head for such rapid advances.
Here is one.
Let's suppose that our planet is all of a sudden bombarded with a wave of radiation or EM from a collapsing star or the core black hole of the milky
way. It was seen and we were warned by extraterrestrials hundreds of years ago, who have traveled far enough to see this coming, as they travel faster
than light. Let's say the calendar date for the impact of this wavefront is 2012.
We see the calendar date in several "notified" cultures around the planet, but so long ago the translations are inexact or obscured by our lack of
understanding of these cultures. Maya, Aztec, Egyptian, Chinese, Indonesian, Aboriginal and tribes of the Americas might all have something. But our
skeptical doubt keeps us from looking closer.
Then at the time of impact we see this wave disturb our Sun and outer planets as it hits us at the same time. Astronomers would not see this, or it's
particular effects until it was already here. Lets say this wave has within it's many components particular energy that carries with it very complex
frequencies of EM that coincidentally or by design causes our Pineal gland to excrete '___'
) at a massive rate, and we are all, most of us thrust into
extradimensional flux or extra spiritual realms. We see and are drawn into other realities and into higher states of awareness.
Some see angels, spirit helpers, teachers, masters and devoted souls with them from birth, other worlds or kindred, but, others wrapped in fear, sick
of spirit from drug or vice, wanton killing, greed, avarice, otherwise tuned to lower vibration worlds and unfamilliar on how to process these changes
go crazy and are locked into horror filled reality with negative entities they courted, or feared and either kill themselves or or are psychotic and
So those who have "spiritually transitioned" see this world destroying itself and naturally connect to others and see through a group awareness and
collective consciousness that they can all transition to a safer reality/dimension/higher vibration, whatever, next to this one that is now falling
apart for the destruction the wave as brought on 2012 that no one could have seen. Remember, only visiting species saw and could see what this was
going to do because they could travel faster than light.
So the dammed stay in this horror filled world for another thousand, two thousand years to learn the lessons the hard way until an avatar like Christ
comes to give them once again the words of wisdom and love and they can start to advance again.
The advanced part of our species who's awareness was sufficiently developed survive the horror and create a new world permanently recognizing the
path of awareness and love and help the weaker ones who made it through but had issues. This stabilizes to a new species (homoluminous?) and the
newborn species then is contacted by like spiritually aware advanced species and then given gifts of type 1 or 2 knowledge and technology, showing
that they indeed would use them appropriately and become new members of the greater civilization.
OK, tangent and a half there, but because we do not know what is possible we can guess, right? There are pieces of truth in this scenario. Makes for
a great sci fi movie?
This is just as possible as any other scenario with uncertainty as the script writer of reality. But in this case we see that a segment of the
population leaves, the other stays in a biblical hell.
We can't know the future, but we can do our best to be ready for anything. Including the end of this incarnation. Evolving our awareness in every
dimension, loving and caring for each other, loosing the greed and hate and gluttony our collective awareness is shackled with, might be the best
thing to do.
In any case.
For any outcome.
I may have missed some of your points. Sorry for that.
[edit on 3/10/2009 by ZeroGhost]