Jesus was the EXPRESS IMAGE of GOD the Father ..this is why you cannot leave out Pauls writings Badmedia because the rest of the puzzle is in those
writings ...you only have a small picture when you only read a few books out of scripture and skip the rest .....you can do that if you want to (is
your choice) but please then do not pretend to know (or teach others)the whole truth and nothing but the truth then when you leave out the rest of the
pieces to the TRUTH >....
(Dont worry I dont need nor do I want you to answer my post .(I have pretty much decided you and I have troubles getting along so no point in
interacting too often ... .(which is fine with me ) .............this is just for those who may be reading and may take your teachings as the WHOLE
TRUTH because it is not and is certainly not LINING UP with scripture ...and I think others deserve at least the rest of what scripture says ALL
TOGETHER to piece the truth together for themselves ..BUT WITH all of scripture to determine what the truth is ..not just your picked out pieces of
You have to take the bible as a WHOLE just like you would have to have every piece of a puzzle in order to make it a complete picture ....if it was
all that easy to understand there would be no need for studying would there ?
The Holy Spirit teaches you how to understand what you READ and what you live through and how to get through it all etc ...But he does not just spoon
feed it to you without you having to DO SOME STUDYING to get all of the picture...which is why the BIBLE was written .....THESE THREE ARE ONE (GOD
....The HOLY SPIRIT and JESUS (WHO WAS THE WORD OF GOD ) which the WORD OF GOD was what JESUS did who he was and what he expects of us and what we
have to do and know in order to GET BACK TO KNOWING THE LORD GOD OF HEAVEN (which we all left behind and didnt care about now for eons because we just
didnt think we needed OUR MAKER anymore) ... and Jesus TAUGHT the APOSTLES the WORD and lived the word of God in front of them (not just being a
knower of the will of God ..but also a DOER OF THE WILL OF GOD..(unlike us as human weaklings who cant even talk it let alone walk the walk too)
...... that word (everything they WITNESSED JESUS saying and doing etc ) was written down by those men who walked with him and those who followed him
even afterwards ....(even we can recieve the word of the Lord by a dream a vision etc and we would also be expected to WRITE IT DOWN and pass it out
to everyone we know ...they did the same thing *and our children will pass down what we heard and learned from the Lord too etc ...They WROTE IT DOWN
so that we can READ IT TOO since we were not there and would not have KNOWN about it if THEY HAD NOT HAVE WRITTEN IT DOWN ....and now we can also know
what they knew and we can live it with him (as in the word when read in the right spirit (wanting to really learn what it says) can virtually take us
back to that place at that time and actually visualize it as they did and we also start to understand more and more just by reading their testimonies
of what happened and what was said ...etc .. ..also ..who did what to who ..why was it done ..why did God need to send Jesus here (the purpose) who he
was ..what he wants from us ..what his plan is in the future for us all etc etc etc etc etc .........
Anyway enough rambling .
These scriptures are TALKING ABOUT JESUS and who he was ....(read above verses and below verses to get it in context) ..
Link is here
BUt here is what I will concentrait on ...
Hbr 1:3 Who being the brightness of [his] glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had
by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
Jesus was the brightness of Gods glory ....
1) reflected brightness
a) of Christ in that he perfectly reflects the majesty of God
a) shining forth, of a light coming from a luminous body (Vine)
b) out-raying (Vincent)
Read the what the Lexicon has to say too ..it is about midways down from the Concordance meaning..
Correlated passages *referencing scriptures
Of his GLORY
1) opinion, judgment, view
2) opinion, estimate, whether good or bad concerning someone
a) in the NT always a good opinion concerning one, resulting in praise, honour, and glory
3) splendour, brightness
a) of the moon, sun, stars
b) magnificence, excellence, preeminence, dignity, grace
1) a thing belonging to God
a) the kingly majesty which belongs to him as supreme ruler, majesty in the sense of the absolute perfection of the deity
2) a thing belonging to Christ
a) the kingly majesty of the Messiah
b) the absolutely perfect inward or personal excellency of Christ; the majesty
3) of the angels
a) as apparent in their exterior brightness
4) a most glorious condition, most exalted state
a) of that condition with God the Father in heaven to which Christ was raised after he had achieved his work on earth
b) the glorious condition of blessedness into which is appointed and promised that true Christians shall enter after their Saviour's return from
THE EXPRESS image of his person (OF GOD)
1) the instrument used for engraving or carving
2) the mark stamped upon that instrument or wrought out on it
a) a mark or figure burned in (Lev. 13:28) or stamped on, an impression
b) the exact expression (the image) of any person or thing, marked likeness, precise reproduction in every respect, i.e facsimile
(NOTICE THE PERFECT REPRODUCTION OF GOD >>(which Adam was supposed to have been but because Adam disobeyed (he was found with fault) Jesus WAS NOT
>..he was the PERFECT REPRODUCTION of GOD the father ....
Also Adam and Eve were just an IMAGE of God (Not an exact replica) ....Jesus was the EXPRESS image (the exact copy) ...............we have FAULTS
...JESUS DID NOT ...we have SPOTS Jesus had no SPOTS (the unblemished LAMB) ..........
Now read the rest
Hbr 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
Hbr 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and
he shall be to me a Son?
Hbr 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
Hbr 1:7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
Hbr 1:8 But unto the Son [he saith], Thy throne, O God, [is] for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness [is] the sceptre of thy kingdom.
Hbr 1:9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, [even] thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy
Hbr 1:10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:
Hbr 1:11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment;
Hbr 1:12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.
Hbr 1:13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
Hbr 1:14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?
There is more but I need a break (am cooking dinner) will get back to this in a bit ..FOr those who really are seeking to know who Jesus was ...at
least READ THE REST OF THE SCRIPTURES (gathering the PIECES TOGETHER) then see a complete picture before coming to any conclusions ...Isnt that what
yall ask of us who dont want to know about Science,Old texts (other than the bible) etc before we get set on what we believe ? That is all that we
ask of you ...
Thanks for your time ...
[edit on 6-3-2009 by Simplynoone]