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Iran is no Gaza , Isreal will lose

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posted on Mar, 6 2009 @ 05:26 AM
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Originally posted by JPhish
The President of Iran actually seems like a good man . . . who would have thought?


Originally posted by FlyersFan
No one in their right mind thinks that.

Well I’m perfectly sane, and I think that. Your theory has been proven false. Next . . .


He's a liar.
all of the U.S. presidents are liars, comes with the territory.


He denies the holocaust.
doubtful


He wants Israel destroyed.
Doesn’t seem like it, but even if he does, why should we care? U.S. has no problem with the notion of killing torturing and bombing the people of Afghanistan Iraq and Iran but we should be concerned about Israel? Oh right, because then we wouldn’t be able to sell them weapons that they kill the Pakistani kids with. Right, I get it.


He was a leader of the hostage takers in 1979.
oh this one is a real gem! Did he torture them and ship them off to Guantanamo bay? . . . . Oh wait, that’s right . . .


Ahmadinejad denies it. But it's obvious he's a liar.
REAL obvious; in fact, the more you say it the more obvious it becomes!



"Many questions" have been raised by six former U.S. hostages who have identified Iran's President-elect Mahmoud Ahmadinejad (search) as one of their captors more than 25 years ago, President Bush said Thursday

Really??? from the mouth of president bush himself?! This must be the truth if it’s coming from him! Jeez you have to be kidding me . . .



Do I get crayons too? Looks nothing like him.



Well considering the U.S., England and Israel are probably the ones responsible for 9-11, the London train bombings, false flag attacks in Israel, and the recent "BOMBday" in India; I’d have to say that he’s probably on the mark as to who the most evil governments in the world are. Let’s also take into consideration the MILLIONS of people that have lost their lives in the Middle East as well as in America/Israel/UK and around the world as a result of these false flag attacks and orchestrated wars!



[edit on 3/6/2009 by JPhish]




posted on Mar, 6 2009 @ 05:28 AM
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Originally posted by ahnggk

They have treated their women so badly. I'd say rescue their women and turn their place into glass. I might say, this applies to some other countries too.



According to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention National Center for Injury Prevention, almost 5.3 million intimate partner victimizations of women age 18 and over take place each year and 3.2 million occur among men. These attacks result in approximately two million injuries and 1,300 deaths each year. In 2001, intimate-partner violence accounted for 20 percent of all nonfatal violent crime experienced by women. In addition, one study showed that almost all (93 percent) of the women who were murdered by their intimate partner had been treated for at least one injury at the hands of that same person. Generally, victims of repeated physical violence experience more serious consequences than victims of isolated incidents.
www.healthywomen.org...


Does this mean that the US should be turned to glass for the way they treat women ?

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posted on Mar, 6 2009 @ 05:36 AM
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Stop overquoting. It's against T&C.


Originally posted by sueloujo
He did not deny the holocaust nor did he say he wanted Israel destroyed as has been explained in earlier posts.

YES he did deny the holocaust. Saying it has to have more research to prove it happened is a denial. Ranting 'death to Israel' says he wants it destroyed.


As for the hostage taking...it has already been proven it was not him...

Wrong. It has been proven it's him.


the picture circled does not even look like him.

25 years have gone by. It's him. The hostages say so.
The ex-president of Iran says so. It's him.

He's a liar and a bad, bad man. Deal with it.




[edit on 3/6/2009 by FlyersFan]



posted on Mar, 6 2009 @ 05:41 AM
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posted on Mar, 6 2009 @ 05:42 AM
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posted on Mar, 6 2009 @ 05:49 AM
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reply to post by InfaRedMan
 


Off topic post response

1 - What we are doing or have done in that region isn't the topic.
2 - Why on earth would I - an old woman - want to enlist to go to Iran?
3 - I DID enlist - for five years - in my younger days, to serve my country in the US Army.


Originally posted by JPhish
Well I’m perfectly sane, and I think that.

Then you are either NOT perfectly sane or you are sadly closing your eyes to the facts.


Your theory has been proven false.

Only in your dreams.


all of the U.S. presidents are liars,

Absolutely. But the subject of this thread isn't US presidential liars.
Start a thread about that. I'll agree with it.


doubtful

Yes he denies the holocaust. The transcripts have already been posted.
Keep that blindfold on if it makes you feel better.


Doesn’t seem like it, but even if he does, why should we care?

It proves him a liar. In one breath he says 'we love all nations'.
In the next - for a different audience - he screams 'death to Israel'
and 'Israel carrys Satans flag'.

If you had bothered to view the information I posted you'd know that.


oh this one is a real gem! Did he torture them and ship them off to Guantanamo bay?

Your sarcasim to hide the truth of the facts aside - He was the liason between the hostage takers and Khomeini.


Do I get crayons too? Looks nothing like him.

Again. Grow up. It's been 25 years. He was identified by the hostages and the former president of Iran. Deal with it.


Well considering the U.S., England and Israel are probably the ones responsible for 9-11, the London train bombings, false flag attacks in Israel, and the recent "BOMBday" in India;

:shk: Pathetic. You no longer have any credibility. :shk:






[edit on 3/6/2009 by FlyersFan]



posted on Mar, 6 2009 @ 05:51 AM
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excellent post monkey.

Cultures vary all over the world ahnggk, don't be so quick to judge others, particularly when yours is no better.

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[edit on 6-3-2009 by Gemwolf]



posted on Mar, 6 2009 @ 05:51 AM
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edited to reflect the fact that the mods deleted the original post I was responding to.


[edit on 3/6/2009 by FlyersFan]



posted on Mar, 6 2009 @ 06:07 AM
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before judging other world leaders, one should look inward, one of your Presidents was a member of the CIA, a spy orginization.

Now saying that an Iranian President is a lier is also a little rich when compared to, "Suddam has WMD's", "Suddam is working with Osama Bin Laden" The list goes on and on.


I have seen 2 versions of the transcript about the holocaust and each gives a slightly different perspective, in one he does not deny the holocaust, just questioned the facts behind it, but there are a few transcripts where some say he calls for Israel to be wiped out.

it is up to the individual to read multiple transcripts and try and determine which is the accurate one, depends on which side of the fence the translator sits on doesn't it



posted on Mar, 6 2009 @ 06:08 AM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by sueloujo
Have you ever heard that famous quote? "You cant argue with a bigot!"


1 - 2nd notice - stop overquoting. It's against the T&C.
2 - Posting facts isn't bigotry. It's just facts. Sorry that you can't handle the facts and have to resort to posting absolutely nothing in response.

As I said ... must be spring break ...


A few words can mean a thousand. In case you dont know a bigot is a person who is intolerant of others opinions...which just about sums up someone who is faced with oposing facts but refuses to acknowledge he is wrong. It is not him and has been proven it is not him by the CIA. He was opposed to the hostage taking.
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posted on Mar, 6 2009 @ 06:21 AM
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Originally posted by sueloujo
Most of the women there are very happy.

Woman 4 peace

Also - rape victims are hung. I don't think they are happy.


Originally posted by munkey66
before judging other world leaders, one should look inward,

As I've said before - this thread isn't about the USA or our liar politicians. It's about Iran, Gaza, and Israel. And as I said before, if someone wants to start a thread about how our poltiicans are all liars, I'd be VERY glad to join in and have a whole lot to say.

Ours are liars. But so are theirs.


Originally posted by sueloujo
a bigot is a person who is intolerant of others opinions...which just about sums up someone who is faced with oposing facts but refuses to acknowledge he is wrong.


1 - A bigot is this - (dictionary definition) Noun -a person who is intolerant, esp. regarding religion, politics, or race. bigoted - blindly and obstinately attached to some creed or opinion and intolerant toward others; "a bigoted person"; "an outrageously bigoted point of view"

2 - YOU refuse to acknowledge that you are wrong in the face of facts. So be very careful throwing stones when you live in a glass house.


It is not him and has been proven it is not him by the CIA. He was opposed to the hostage taking.

It is him. He's been identified by the hostages and the former president of Iran. What the CIA says or doesn't say in this matter is due to their own agenda.

From your own source -


Iran's president-elect belonged to the group that seized the U.S. Embassy in 1979, but he played no role in either capturing or holding Americans hostage, according to friends, associates and a former hostage-taker interviewed Thursday.

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the hard-liner elected Iran's new president last week, initially opposed the embassy takeover, although he later dropped his opposition, an aide said.


He belonged to the group. He approved of the hostage taking.
And as I said - he was the liason.

The denials that he took part in the capture or holding comes from
ex-hostage TAKERS who have their own agenda. As a liason he
may or may not have taken part in the initial hostage taking. But
he worked for the hostage takers as their liason. That's a fact that
I already showed.

He denys the holocaust. He approves state sponsored stonings of homosexuals. He rants 'death to Israel'. He rants 'Death to the USA'
He lies - alot. He was involved with the hostage takeover in 1979.
He approved of it and was a liason for the hostagetakers.

He is NOT a good man.
And as with most politicians around the world
he can't be trusted.



posted on Mar, 6 2009 @ 06:24 AM
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The back and forth bickering/personal attacks stop NOW.

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posted on Mar, 6 2009 @ 06:27 AM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan
Only in your dreams.

You’re calling me insane or ignorant . . . Ad hominem at its finest, thanks.


Absolutely. But the subject of this thread isn't US presidential liars.
Start a thread about that. I'll agree with it.

I don’t tolerate hypocrisy and it is now a subject of this thread, because you’ve made it so by calling him a bad man. Good and evil are relative. And I ask you, “he is bad relative to whom?!” if you live in the U.S. your president, the one who actually gives orders, has more blood on his hands than the president of Iran could ever acquire in several lifetimes. This guy was a liaison, he wasn’t giving the orders; he was following orders. You bring up the Holocaust, well people got off during the Nuremberg trials for far worse than relaying messages and escorting prisoners.


Yes he denies the holocaust. The transcripts have already been posted.
Keep that blindfold on if it makes you feel better.

Must have missed them; give me the link. By the way, Sarah Palin denies that dinosaurs exist, since when has America cared about getting history right? I say this in jest, because there are far worse crimes that America has committed against the people of earth which I would rather not speak of. But America has no problem airbrushing history in those circumstances.


It proves him a liar.
big deal, my father is a liar, I don’t consider him evil.


In one breath he says 'we love all nations'.
In the next - for a different audience - he screams 'death to Israel'
and 'Israel carrys Satans flag'.

Even if everything you’re saying here is true, which I doubt, I don’t see the problem. America is the biggest black pot around; don’t be judging the kettle.


If you had bothered to view the information I posted you'd know that.

I viewed it all, false assumption #1


Your sarcasim to hide the truth of the facts aside - He was the liason between the hostage takers and Khomeini.
a liaison! That makes him guilty of something? Ever hear the saying “Don’t kill the messenger”? Well don’t kill the liaison!


Again. Grow up. It's been 25 years. He was identified by the hostages and the former president of Iran. Deal with it.
deal with what? That he was a liaison? I don’t see what the big deal is.


:shk: Pathetic. You no longer have any credibility. :shk:

I’ve lost credibility for going where you don’t want to go? Glad to see I can still win debates in less than 2 posts.


Must be spring break. The kiddies are all out of high school for the week.

Nice genetic fallacy; even if I’m a retarded, half blinde, paraplegic, holocaust denying Nazi; I still have more legs to stand on than your argument does right now.

EDITED gemwolf, i was writing my post when you posted your "warning". if my post is deemed off topic by all means edit it but i think i'm on track. The purpose of this thread is to suggest that Iran has falsely been held in a bad light. I'm defending this threads message.

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posted on Mar, 6 2009 @ 06:31 AM
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This is a final warning.

DO NOT MAKE THE TOPIC PERSONAL when IT ISN'T.

STAY ON TOPIC

Edit: Edit noted.

[edit on 6-3-2009 by Gemwolf]



posted on Mar, 6 2009 @ 06:45 AM
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please visit my original thread before posting. My reason for the thread was to show this man, today, not 25 yrs ago, does not want a war. Several countries 25 yrs ago had different policies, the world is a changing entity. Dont let your leaders propaganda lead you into another , Unwanted and Unnecessary war.



posted on Mar, 6 2009 @ 06:51 AM
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He has been accused of saying he will ‘wipe Israel of the map’.
Well guess what! This might shock some but that phrase doesn’t even exist in the Farsi language! The direct quotation of what he said was ‘Zionism will vanish from the pages of history’! Hardly the proclamation of war. Not to mention that those words are actually a quote from Ayatollah Khomeini, and are not Armadinijhad’s own!
The American right wing criticize Armadinijad for saying something he never said!



posted on Mar, 6 2009 @ 06:54 AM
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Originally posted by ahnggk

Originally posted by sueloujo What exactly has Iran done for you to think they should be destroyed?


They have treated their women so badly. I'd say rescue their women and turn their place into glass. I might say, this applies to some other countries too.


I don't know about whom you speak of when you say "they", do you mean Islam as a religion or what.. But, if you truely understand your past and religion, you'd know that other religions treated women a lot worse than you think. Islam was the first religion that outlawed female infanticide, made the education of girls a sacred duty and established a woman's right to own and inherit property. Also, if anything should make you feel sick to the stomache, just look at this country (U.S.).. Look at the domestic violence statistics, look at the rape statistics, look at the murder statistics of innocent women and children. If you feel so strongly about how women are treated, why don't you do something about it in your own country, before you start worrying about another country on how "bad" they threat their women.



posted on Mar, 6 2009 @ 06:58 AM
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thank you for the info branty & sueloujo . . .

it's nice to hear both sides of the story . . .



posted on Mar, 6 2009 @ 07:29 AM
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Originally posted by JPhish
Good and evil are relative.

Only sometimes.

Political lies are evil.
To stone homosexuals simply because they are homosexuals is evil.
Hanging rape victims because they 'had sexual relations with a man' is evil.

There are relative evils ... and then there are real evils. Those are evil.


Sarah Palin denies that dinosaurs exist,

What does that have to do with Iran, Gaza, or Israel?
If you wish to start a thread about how Sarah Palin is dumb because
she believes the earth is 7,000 years old or something ... go ahead.
I'll join in.


big deal, my father is a liar, I don’t consider him evil.

tempting .. tempting .. naaaah. I don't want Gemwolf to get finger cramps having to hit the warning button all day.



America is the biggest black pot around; don’t be judging the kettle.

You've missed all the places I already said that our poltiicians are liars as well. It is not smart to turn a blind eye to liar politicians .. none of them. American .. British ... German ... Iranian .... any of them. Just because our guys are liars doesn't give the Iranian president a free pass. He has not earned the 'oh .. this guy is a great guy .. he wants peace'. Because he doesn't want peace and he's a proven liar, like most politicians.


Ever hear the saying “Don’t kill the messenger”? Well don’t kill the liaison!

The liaison approved of the hostage taking and helped them in their effort.
He worked for the hostage takers. He didn't work for a peaceful resolution.


The purpose of this thread is to suggest that Iran has falsely been held in a bad light. I'm defending this threads message.

The purpose of this thread is this - "Iran is no Gaza, israel will lose'.
The OP loaded up on the 'poor Iran .. bad Israel' rhetoric.
That was the 'purpose'. And since ATS doesn't allow soap boxes,
there had to be the awareness that people with facts that contradict
the OPs premise would arrive and post them.



posted on Mar, 6 2009 @ 07:32 AM
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thank you , very well said, Star for you my freind




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